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Socdem general.

United against nationalism edition.

Fuck off communists

kys

social democracy has nothing to do with communism
I support free market

>United against nationalism edition.
>united against our own country
:^)

Kys

It's still Marxist-ideology.

Fuck off.

Yeah kill each other, faggots

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gtfo

>democracy
pure socialism is fine for me, thank you

Traitor to Poland. Was it not bad enough to watch your country fall apart under communism once? It still hasn't recovered.

nationalism only harms my country

nationalism=/=patriotism

nationalism is inherently linked with hatred
modern soc dem has nothing to do with marxism

social democracy has nothing to do with communism idiot

social democratic parties are SDP in Germany or SAP in Sweden

Is this brand of socialism also against anime cat girls?

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

we only support some moderate wealth redistribution in form of social welfare

You've got to be my favorite Pole on this board :^)

I'm privately not, I used to be a weeb desu

you only support some moderate robbery in the form of giving fair earned money to untermensch

If nationalism is so bad, why is Japan far more stable and lacking in social tension than any European country?

>fair earned money
yeah because CEOs job is really worth 100x more than their workers kek
>in the form of giving fair earned money to untermensch
because that very contempt to the working class we've got what we have

the worst thing is, these angered people turned to populist like Trump, who have no regard for ordinary people and will continue exploiting the lower classes

Japan's mainstream isn't any nationalist at all, also it's not any comparable case to any European country

btw any Northern European country beats Japan in terms of income and quality of life

Nice oxymoron there. How about a 'libertarian socialist' thread to complete the picture.

social =/= socialists kek

Social Democracy is a democracy to serve the needs of society

You'd know that's a lie if you ever visited. I cannot imagine a more nationalistic country than Japan in today's world.

>I cannot imagine a more nationalistic country than Japan in today's world.
Russia

And stop repeating these lies, Japan's mainstream politics aren't any nationalist.

We've had socdem in Spain for years. NO THANKS.

>Russia
A country desperately trying to recover from a crippling corrupt socialist paradise turned into a corrupt capitalist one. The only people that have any sense of national pride or the lowest class and even then in the most shallow way.
Russian pride is all words and zero actions.

In Japan, national pride permeates through every strata.

I started my own business when I was 23. I've worked hard to get where I'm at and don't want to redistribute my wealth to people that have not taken the risks and invested as much time and money as I have. I pay my employees well and they also get bonuses. We dont' need handouts and they promote and foster a sense of entitlement that is very dangerous.

all you said are completely groundless buzzwords

maybe refer to some specific things

like what exactly makes Japan "nationalist" ? it doesn't have a lot of immigrants yes, but that's more due to the facts that it is an island and it's relations with other asian countries are just terrible

Again, you've never been there so you haven't a clue.
The mere fact that the Yakuza did more to help during a natural disaster than any socialist would is testament enough, not to mention how quickly the effected areas recovered.
Go to Japan and you'll see a what nationalism really does to a country.

You are perhaps the first cucked pole I've seen on Sup Forums.
Consider promptly necking yourself.

this is what you don't understand, no one wants to crack down on small businesses, it's about curbing big corporations which notoriously avoid taxes
>don't want to redistribute my wealth to people that have not taken the risks and invested as much time and money as I have.
social democracy isn't about taking away your money and giving it to people who work less, it's about ensuring ill and disabled people some appropriate standard of life and aiding those with financial troubles also giving a hand people who lost their job but they are willing to rejoin the workforce

you got it all wrong desu

>yeah because CEOs job is really worth 100x more than their workers kek
Probably, esp. if said workers can be replaced by an chinese ipad.
>because that very contempt to the working class we've got what we have
You mean Poland? We've got what we have because we haven't hanged our reds, despite all the occasions

>he mere fact that the Yakuza did more to help during a natural disaster than any socialist would is testament enough
source on that Yakuza did more than the Japanese government?
>Go to Japan and you'll see a what nationalism really does to a country.
No, provide me with proofs. Your statements are completely groundless.

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You don't have unemployment insurance in Poland? (It is provided by the state here, I pay about 15-20K a year into the fund) There is no welfare in Poland for the elderly or sick?

You idiots chose a flower as your symbol. Who could ever take you seriously?

>Socialist-Democracy


Sounds like quite literally the worst thing in the world to me but gets a pass because 'Muhh democracy'.

Wasn't Hillary enough for you?

Inb4 'Not real Socialist Democracy'

Not an argument and Hillary is a capitalist

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Reality shows that you are retarded.

No, you don't. Fucking commie.

Also, it's those other Asian countires it has terrible relationships are themselves terrible for the most part. SK probably isn't but even they just went through a political upheaval because a literal cult is controlling their government.
China? Virtually a third world country outside some of the cities.
NK? Not even worth going into.

You've never been there so you don't have a clue. The people primarily support Japanese businesses and have a strong sense of culture and identity, and belonging, so naturally when a disaster happens everyone pitches in to help.
And I never said the yakuza helped more than they're own government, learn to read.

Right now nationalism is what's keeping your country clean of Muslim shitskins, the second that goes, so does any racial or cultural purity.

I thought this thread was about Sodemy not social demoracy, now I'm dissapointed.

>Probably, esp. if said workers can be replaced by an chinese ipad.
So you support widening already disgusting income gap to cause even worse inequality? That will only harm the social stability. And you will get mad workers who will take what they think is theirs like in communist movement.

It's funny how are you against communism but the last time irresponsible liberal economic policies like that were the very reason for the communist revolution to kick in.

Also, the workers can't always be replaced. We aren't talking about factories only, elites everywhere collect a disproportionate amount of wealth. More than 50% of global wealth is owned by 1% of the richest. This trend needs to be stopped.

Also, CEOs can be replaced aswell.

>Virtually a third world country outside some of the cities.
Not anymore, it's easily second world.

Also what I mean is that yes Japan doesn't really have a lot of immigrants but who is supposed to emigrate to Japan? I don't think PRC allows their citizens to migrate freely. NK for sure doesn't. South Koreans hate Japan. Maybe Filipinos would, and actualy the Japanese governement is aiming to boost immigration from there as the Japanese workforce is too small.
>The people primarily support Japanese businesses and have a strong sense of culture and identity, and belonging, so naturally when a disaster happens everyone pitches in to help.
What does that have with nationalism? It's called patriotism and empathy. And I'm all for these values.
>And I never said the yakuza helped more than they're own government, learn to read.
But I'm standing for the government. Social democracy is supposed to make government capable of dealing with natural disasters and helping its citizens.
>Right now nationalism is what's keeping your country clean of Muslim shitskins, the second that goes, so does any racial or cultural purity.
Top fucking kek. Nope. Sure - migrants are less willing to go to a xenophobic country, but the most important factor is low income in Poland. Why go to Poland when you can go to Germany and get 2x more money for the same job?

Also we have a fuckton of immigrants here in Warsaw, especially Ukrainians.

Fuck off lefty

>Sup Forums is only right wing board
end with this meme

Ukrainians are not shitskin goatfuckers.
Socialism is completely at ends with nationalism, and therefore patriotism which you pretend to believe in.
Every single country with any socialist elements enjoy a nice dose of cultural suicide.

>Ukrainians are not shitskin goatfuckers.
what does that have to do with anything?

btw we have a lot of Turks here aswell

nationalism has nothing to do with patriotism

patriotism - loving your country

nationalism - perceived superiority of own's country, nation and culture combined with hatred to the other ones