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>2017
>Still believing the holocaust actually happened

With all the influx of newfags, how many of you still think the holocaust really happened?

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It happened the numbers are just blown way out of proportion for pity points

topkek

People died in labour camps, sure, but there was no plan to mass exterminate them, and there was no use of gassing either. You're right about the numbers though

More please

> 200k juice in Germany on 1939.
> 6 million juice pasteurized in LOLocost.

Do the Math Strya,
there can't be 30x juice in Europe than in Germany.

youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk

The main points are highlighted here in this document, but it's a pretty long read; pretty much the four main points I'll summarise:

1. The numbers of Jews that allegedly died (6 000 000) doesn't match up to census data, and official records

2. There was no documentation of an official record of any mass extermination given by Hitler

3. The logistics of gassing people were not only impractical but almost impossible

4. Likewise for the method of disposal of the bodies

I'll go through each of these in more detail. Sorry if I'm a bit slow to respond

not illegal in the uk.

/sage t h i s sh i t e

1. Numbers don't match up

Census data shows that in 1936 there were 15.75 million Jews globally and in 1949 there were 15.71. That means in the 4 years after the war, the population of Jews (assuming they were reduced to about 7 million due to gassing) doubled. This is pretty ridiculous.

Secondly only about 5 million Jews lived in Europe in TOTAL before the war. To say 6 million were killed means that Hitler somehow managed to kill EVERY SINGLE JEW IN EUROPE even in territories he didn't control. Yet there are about 1 million (((Holocaust survivors))) alive today? Doesn't make much sense in itself

As pointed out, in pre-war Germany there was only about 200K Germany before the war. Moreover, Red Cross Documentation has shown only about 200 000 Jews died in labour camps anyway (not from gassing btw).

Lastly, as pointed out - 6 000 000 was a pre-ordained number that is significant to Jews and has been used before previously.

In short: Census and other Data doesn't match 6 000 000, and that number was preordained by Jews anyway. More likely somwhere between 150 000 - 200 000.

(Also the sign on the FRONT OF AUSCHWITZ says less than a million Jews were killed there - so it's no question that 6 000 000 was overblown)

Maybe, but anti-semitism is. Don't you remember those two bongs who tried to get asylum in America but got kicked out and now they're doing 7 years in jail?

>Illegal in the UK
What

2. No documentation of any official order exists

Only 2 documents have ever been produced that suggest any order for a "Final Solution". One was proven to be faked so it raises suspicion that the other may be too. But anyway, the other one was written by a guy who wasn't at the conference, at a later date. No primary source.

Also, the Brits broke the Enigma code, and could hear every conversation between the Nazi's without them knowing, and not ONCE did they overhear any mention about a "Holocaust" or mass extermination

I like how nobody gives a shit about unit 731 in the west.
While in Asia nobody cares about the holocaust

Not gonna lie, what is unit 731 ? Excuse my ignorance

3. Method of Gassing is impractical

Firstly, why would Nazi Germany go the sheer EFFORT to round up every single Jew they could find, ship them to a certain site just to waste precious resources and manpower to gas them en mass WHILE fighting the biggest war of the 20th century against the entire world, considering supply lines were being bombed etc.? Wouldn't it be easier just to shoot the jews on site on like Stalin did?

Anyway - what gas was used according to the narrative? Zyklon B or Diesel Engine. Zyklon B needs to be heated up to be lethal, yet there was no heating device found at auschwitz. Diesel engine would explode at a lethal pressure and blow up the building.

Zyklon B was used, funnily enough, as an insecticide because Typhus (spread by Lice) was prevalent (hence why they also shaved the prisoners heads).

Also, mathematically speaking, you'd need to gas about 25 000 people a DAY in order to reach the 6 000 000 figure, assuming that the gas chambers were running 24/7 fully operational, without any breakdowns and will supervision and manpower.

Doesn't it seem just a bit ridiculous?

I'd like for one of you holocaust deniers to stop reading cooky websites and unsourced internet pics, get out of your basement and go tell your theories to actual historians. you'd be laughed out of any academic premises. why do you think that is? no, it's not because "le jews". it's because your opinion is invalid and the mere notion of someone honestly trying to deny the holocaust happened is hilarious and ridiculous.

4. Method of Body Disposal

Lastly, where are all the bodies? Surely cremating 6 000 000 Jews would leave ONE bone fragment that would be traceable. None was found. Satellite imaging shows that the ground in any camp was disturbed either, so they weren't burned.

Moreover, you need something like 30kg of coal per body (30 million tonnes or something crazy) which was never ordered for auschwitz. It takes about an hour to cremate 1 corpse, and compounds for every other corpse, so the 6 000 000 figure could never be achieved in the given timeframe.

Why the need to lie? Because Hitler wanted the Jews to stop controlling his country through the banks, the press, and the media (kicked them all out) - and to stop the rise of communism in his country (pic related). This doesn't go down very well with the Jews, and hence why such a stupid narrative was given to him and he is the most demonised person the planet when Stalin did FAR worse things.

>(((historians)))

Tell me leaf, how exactly were 6 000 000 Jews killed when the sign on Auschwitz says that less than a million were killed? Which gases were used? How did they get rid of all those bodies? Why is there no mention of Hitler and his "Final Solution" from any primary sources?

By the way, the burden of proof is on YOU friend.

You are what Stalin would have called a Useful Idiot

OF COURSE IT FUCKING HAPPE-

>but what about the number of Jews living in europe at the time which was 6M. but they didn't kill all of them, so it was less than 6m

Well, there's still plenty of evide-
>but in order for an oven to burn a body it takes over an hour
>for 6M burned corpses in 7 years, even with the ovens going at full capacity 24/7, they would only be able to burn 14,616 bodies

But, hey what about those gas chamb-
>chemical analysis of the gas chambers indicate that the amount of Zyklon B poison was only at high enough concentrations to kill lice, exactly what they said they were used for

But the shoes! The mass graves!
>ground penetrating radar used on a "confirmed" mass grave burial site showed zero signs of disturbance, no bones, no garbage, no nothing.

I mean, I'm still open to evidence, but so far I'm just not seeing it, and the math doesn't add up.

>>for 6M burned corpses in 7 years, even with the ovens going at full capacity 24/7, they would only be able to burn 14,616 bodies
per oven.

most of the supposed crematoriums were constructed after the war had ended, and were built by the allied forces. there weren't enough crematoriums in europe to burn that many bodies in that period of time

Unit 731 was a Japanese medical experimentation unit that tortured a gorillion chinks to death. Like they definitely, definitely did it, the guys who did it all admit to it, and most went on to become millionaires by selling their research after the war. Not one man involved was punished.

actually, the chinese official claim is that 300,000 Chinese were killed by the occupying/invading japanese forces.

a much more realistic number, if you ask me

Pretty much this ausbro

Thanks. Does it have the same political consequences as the holocaust? E.G. do Japanese pretend it didn't happen or something like how in Europe you're not allowed to say the Holocaust didn't happen or anything of the likes? Or not so much, because it doesn't involved Jews?

>actually, the chinese official claim is that 300,000 Chinese were killed by the occupying/invading japanese forces.

to clarify, that is the number killed by all invading forces, mainly by the general army. the unit 731 was a very small proportion, but that doesn't mean those people suffered grueling and horrific deaths (vivisection).

also, the japanese had contests all over china to see who could cut off the most heads in a minute with their sword

>but that doesn't mean those people suffered grueling and horrific deaths (vivisection).
didn't suffer*

so which one of you want to get BTFO first?

Much appreciated, user.

>legal in The Netherlands

No worries brother. It sounds ridiculous at first but the more you look into it the more it starts making sense.

youtube.com/watch?v=qTYSv_YQOVo

youtube.com/watch?v=RHzWo79dCHs

Good stuff to get you started.

I'll also point our regarding eye witness testimonies:
- People who claim to be holocaust survivors have made up shit before (like jews being made into lampshades, which now has been proven to be false by forensic science - isn't it a coincidence no one mentions it?) and aren't a reliable source of information. In fact eye witness accounts are one of the lowest forms of evidence. Documentation is the best

- Nazi's who confessed were often either tortured to confess something false, or were offered a promise of safety if they confessed something false. The best example is how one of the Nazi leaders of Auschwitz "confessed" he killed 3 million Jews at that camp, but later it turned out that less than 1 million Jews were killed there (on the front door of Auschwitz it says it). So that goes to show that Nazi testimonies are also unreliable

This is only the beginning of the rabbit hold my friend

Unit 731 was fucked up, also everyone forgets the rape of Nanking.

>but what about the number of Jews living in europe at the time which was 6M.
nazis disagree with you

chemical analysis of the gas chambers indicate that the amount of Zyklon B poison was only at high enough concentrations to kill lice, exactly what they said they were used for
>t. nazi scientists

The concentation of HCN needed to kill lice is 200 times higher then the concentration needed to kill humans you tard. So this sentence is wrong in literally every way.

It's what happens when you trust a liberal arts bachelor for technical expertise

>ground penetrating radar used on a "confirmed" mass grave burial site showed zero signs of disturbance, no bones, no garbage, no nothing.
See, according to facts that is wrong.

Well, the opposite is true

scientificamerican.com/article/unearthing-the-atrocities-of-nazi-death-camps/

I'm sure someone with access to actual archives and physical evidence knows more than an emu-cuck who reads sketchy images on the internet.

no matter how many ways you want to argue it, people from every corner of the world who have studied this matter agree that the holocaust genuinely happened.

you desperately want to be edgy and contrarian so you buy into the first fake bait pic you find on Sup Forums, whereas actual adults who study historic events for a living (along with the rest of the world) know otherwise.

>the burden of proof is on YOU friend.
sure

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

have a fun read.

>>but in order for an oven to burn a body it takes over an hour
>>for 6M burned corpses in 7 years, even with the ovens going at full capacity 24/7, they would only be able to burn 14,616 bodies

Modern civilian crematoriums attempt to fully calcinate bone tissue for the aesthetics. Nazis didn't give a fuck about that. Modern civilian crematoriums attempt to fully separate the remains of different people. Nazis didn't give a fuck about that. Modern civilian crematoriums will only ever cremate one body at a time. Nazis don't give a fuck about that.

So you say the Nazi ovens weren't large enough to cremate more than one corpse at a time? The inner dimensions of the muffle were reportedly 70 cm wide and 80 cm high at the maximum (the top formed an arch), the size of the opening was 60 cm wide and high at the maximum (ATCFS, p. 377). Two average adults would have certainly fit on top of each other on the stretcher through the opening, also if two dehydrated, shrunken and somewhat displaced corpses were already in the inside. You could fit more if you include small, emaciated adults, and children.

Most of the burning of body material occurs within the first 20-30 minutes of cremation. It is possible to even add a new corpse after 20-30 minutes without removing the remaining body material of the previous corpse if you truly want to be efficient.

If you really think that the Holocaust, for which no Nazi offered denial when on trial and facing execution, is disproven by some back of the napkin arithmetic, and you really care about this issue, then take the precious time out of your life and read this:

phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/

>Tell me leaf, how exactly were 6 000 000 Jews killed when the sign on Auschwitz says that less than a million were killed?
>this tard thinks 6 million where killed in auschwitz

capped, ahhahahahahahhahahaha

> Which gases were used?
zyklon b mostly

>How did they get rid of all those bodies?
kremas and burning pits

imgur.com/gallery/JQKQI

A book-length rebuttal to any of your shitty arguments. Click more images. Control-F is your friend.

wrong one nvm

Yes, imgur is a credible source - fucking imgur, the site that's too shit for even leddit.

what do you think about this?

this is the imgur you are looking for
imgur.com/a/725A7

its you again who the fuck is paying you?
you post in every fucking thread about this.

>Linking wikipedia

>this tard thinks 6 million where killed in auschwitz

It was only 1 million, whoops I meant 4 million :^)

He's a tripfag, he can't help but suck cocks.

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It's not illegal to deny the holocaust here. That thing Teresa May bought in is just part of a definition and not legally binding, so institutions can use it if they wish.

It happened surely but i really doubt they baked 6 godilion. The number of baked ones is much lower.

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You should read 200 years together by alexander solzhenyitsin.

And then study what happened in the ukraine during the famine.

>wikipedia lol

Change deny too question in your meme.

You shouldn't be asking wether it happened, you should be asking why germans needed to make it happen.

>linking random infographics from Sup Forums

the holocaust happened, however, what pisses me off is that the holocaust is the one that gets talked about like if it was the only catastrophe in the world, there was also the mass starvation that Stalin did in the USSR which killed more than the holocaust, the media says nazism is worse then communism but I disagree with this, yes nazism is bad but communism is worse and has gotten around 20 million killed, throughout history, the communists have killed more than the nazis did.

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It's not illegal to deny the holocaust, it's HOW you deny it that could be illegal.

Example 1: "i believe the holocause never happenes"

Consequences: you will just be called an asshole

Example 2: "those fucking jews made the whole thing. That's why you should never trust a jew"

Consequences: you will be charged with racial injury (not sure if that's the name in english)

The Holocaust happened, at least as far as mass executions are concerned.

The real redpill is realizing that the only downside of the affair, besides the inherent brutality, is that Germany lost the war before they could complete the extermination of European Jewry. The vigor with which volunteers from Germany and other European countries murdered thousands of people is a testament to the behavior of the local Jews. People would even go out of their way to alert German units of Jewish hideouts that would otherwise never have been found. Hatred like that doesn't come out of nowhere.

This is interesting. The last 4 points are reasonable.

Why do people get so upset about questioning the scope of the holocaust? We should just try to learn the truth about it. 6 million seems exaggerated.

>Why do people get so upset about questioning the scope of the holocaust?
They don't. No one gives a fuck about holocaust other then historians, jews and stormtards

I was in auswich this autumn it looked fucking real

Again, thanks for all the info. Unfortunately I'm not able to participate in the thread as much as I hoped as I'm busy cooking atm, but I've saved everything you posted. I have watched the David Cole vid in the past, which is what got me interested.
lately I keep thinking about that super long fight scene in "they Live", because re-pilling people is really, very hard to do even on simple things like 9/11, and so- holocaust denial is a hard pill for many to swallow.

I was debating about the eyewitness testimony with someone recently when I realized I need to brush up on this subject.

So thanks for taking the time to post all that, it's greatly appreciated.

>muh based russia

>Hatred like that doesn't come out of nowhere.
No it's inherent in the blood of whitey. Justice for traytray.

I have suspended my previous belief that it happened until I can properly look into it. I don't count reading Sup Forums demographics as research, but I will admit they pushed me to question it.

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Inforgraphics not demographics

what the fuck are you on about?

The fucking sign admits that the 6 000 000 Jews killed is an outright lie you dumb cunt, and that's the MOST generous estimation! its about 200 000 max

I fell for the "lol holohoax didnt happen but it will soon" meme when I first arrived at /new/ years ago.

nizkor.org disproves all the assertions that get posted here, anyone that seriously believes millions of people all lied to create the holocaust needs to spend a few hours there.

Idiot, the reason why it's illegal is because in post-war Germany many right-wing Neonazi parties started spreading everywhere in the country, some of them led by former Nazi officials themselves like former Sturmbannfuhrer (Major) Otto Ernst Rehmer. They strictly denied it ever happened as part of their new slogan to get voters. In 1962 WG banned all Nazi parties from the country. The reason why it's illegal is to avoid the resurgence of Nazi apologists and the like, it has nothing to do with "HURR DENYING RIGHTFUL INVESTIGATION DURR".

Blame THEM for making "denying the holocaust" illegal.

Jesus Christ, kids on this board...

How many chicks died?
How many Russians died?
Fuck literally look at any war casualties list and you'll see that 6 million is a ducking blip

How do you even get 6 million when Auschwitz even reduced their count from an original 4 million to 1.5 million? Have to give it to the Jews: y'all pulled off the greatest con job in human history.

No worries mate. Thanks for listening

27 million Soviets died from 1939 to 1945.
22 million Chinese died from 1937 to 1945.

>The fucking sign admits that the 6 000 000 Jews killed is an outright lie you dumb cunt
by all means do explain this. I want to laugh a bit more and perhaps get some more caps

Have ever been outside the us? Have you actually been there?

>Flag
Checks out.

I don't think we'll ever know.
But I'd guess it was just more labor camps with people dying.
No way IMO did 13 million die though

You guys get dumber each day that passes

Yes.
No, and I won't waste my time. I subscribe to the view that the Holocaust didn't happen, but it should have :^)

Censorship is inherently wrong and people who say controversial things are not to be blamed.

>UK
>Illegal to deny the holocaust

Pick one

It happened but it wasn't only jews and was not in the numbers stated today. World War 2 was terrible for everyone involved.

I read a decent percent of Israelis think that the holocaust is overblown. They just want to keep it the way it is because they want the gibs me dat

>I don't think we'll ever know.
lol, there are still people alive that experienced it. It's not like holocaust happened 1000 years ago.

Unfounded incredulity is not a argument

>But I'd guess it was just more labor camps with people dying.
Your fee fees say so?

>No way IMO did 13 million die though
see second sentence in this post

Niggers killed 1 million people in 2 months with machetes. So you are saying that the herrenvolk, with much more advanced weapons, couldn't kill 11 million in 6 years?

Good mentality brother. It's not about believing X or Y just because someone said or whatever, but admitting that you may not know all the facts about a situation and with holding your judgement until you have are informed. Goes with anything

Don't have much time atm. Could you explain some of the points? If not all good

ok, but can you prove the holocaust happened?

Arabs and SS tricking/betraying Hitler.

>Censorship is inherently wrong
No, it's not. Dumb shit should be censored.
>people who say controversial things are not to be blamed.
Yes they are. They are fucking adults, if they want into politics first they need to learn how to behave like adults and not children. Their "brilliant" idea to use holocaust denial as part of their political campaign is what led to the government of West Germany (and then other countries) to make it illegal to deny it ever happened.
Learn how to take responsibility for your actions.
I assure you, given how easily it is to brainwash people on this website, that if they removed that law a fuckton of populist movements would start to look a lot like Sup Forums.
It happened, get over it.
If you want to "investigate" the Holocaust don't make dumb assumptions or you lose credibility.

you forgot to respond to thisi forgot pic for my first post, which is the nazi estimate of jewish populations in europe

>Dumb shit should be censored.

Who decides what "dumb shit" is? You?

Josef mengele was on Rockefeller foundation's payroll to conduct his experiments

There were horrors in the camps but they were carried out by the same forces we're fighting now. Harriman/Bush were funnelling money into certain parts of the Reich.

They infiltrate everything. Painting everything with a good or evil brush makes you look retarded.

>Niggers killed 1 million people in 2 months with machetes. So you are saying that the herrenvolk, with much more advanced weapons, couldn't kill 11 million in 6 years?
Unfounded incredulity is not an argument

>what_is_this,_propaganda_for_ants.png

It is now mate thanks to May

Auschwitz is supposedly where the most Jews died by gassing. The preconception most people have about the holocaust is that 6 000 000 Jews died. If the sign out the front of auschwitz says less than a million Jews died, then therefore the figure couldn't possibly be 6 000 000. Why is this so hard to understand? And in reference to your post Zyklon B needs to be heated up, they couldn't have heated it up without a heating machine. It was used as an insecticide. Alright... if 6 000 000 Jews died where are all the bone fragments and ash? No forensic evidence has been found to prove this claim. You're the one making the claim so give me proof, not the other way around

kek

Also to other people who have pointed out this in the thread, thanks for the correction. But you guys get the idea, the fact that its such a controversial issue and have legal threats behind it shows that something is not quite right

People more qualified than your or I will ever be. 99% of historians agree it happened.
I take their words over retarded .jpgs spammed on a shitstain of a website such as this.

Yeah your right, interesting to consider though

lol, there are still people alive that experienced it. It's not like holocaust happened 1000 years ago.

Unfounded incredulity is not a argument.

So you have the true, historical answer then? Spill it
Also Please source

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> lol, there are still people alive that experienced it. It's not like holocaust happened 1000 years ago.

> Unfounded incredulity is not a argument

It's illegal in Australia too. They will 18C you, like Toben was.

Hmmm...

>99% of historians agree it happened.

historians operating within an academic system that would punish any dramatic deviance. Historians that refuse to study the question of whether it happened, except when making an open effort to disprove it - in direct contradiction with the fundamental principle of investigation. Historians that are willing to interperet data in any number of outlandish ways to fit their preexisting worldviews, just like the rest of humanity.