Sales is truly the most redpilled career.
It's the quickest path to a HUGE paycheck.
It's the quickest path to C-Level.
It's a skill set that can be applied ANYWHERE.
It will never be taken over by robots.
It requires no expensive education (debt)
You don't have to benefit from nepotism.
You profit from the stupidity of others.
All that's required is that you not be a lazy autist.
Why aren't you working sales, Sup Forums?
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I also feel a deep, unsettling disgust when I try and trick people into buying things they don't really need.
You're the second lowest scum of the earth after tow truck drivers. Please kill yourself.
>literally a profession filled with women and refugees/shitskins highschool dropouts
>redpilled
pick one
>It will never be taken over by robots
ahahahaha
Salesmen are literally the worst, least respectable people in society
You're making a living out of straight-up jewing people, I'd rather not.
Exactly this.
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eat dicks commie
I also feel a deep, unsettling disgust when I try and trick people into buying things they don't really need.
This, OP is a faggot
>Never be taken over by robot?
Have you never heard of Amazon?
Civil engineer here. You have already been taken over by robots, it's called online sales faggot.
This. Sales is degenerate, the whole job is based around tricking people into giving you money for something they don't need.
I agree. Did door to door sales, best experience and transformation. Also learning nifty persuasion tricks.
Also most people in sales fucking suck balls.
too many betas in this thread.
Shows how much you know. Cuck.
>door to door sales
Who the fuck buys anything from a door-to-door salesman? I didn't even know they still existed.
>implying consumer goods is in any way equivalent to solutions selling
this op you fuck
I hate people
sales is filled with try hard faggots who prey on the retarded
congrats, you convinced 10 70-year olds to spend their welfare checks on appliance insurance, well done
Every sales guy I have ever met has been either a successful asshole or a pathetic loser. There really is no inbetween. Good for you if you make good money at it, I'd rather sit alone in my office doing work that's actually fun.
>I am better than a robot could ever be
kek
I work HVAC
Making sure your grandma doesn't freeze to death
As long as you're ok with having no morals, sales is a good choice.
Come to my door selling me shit and you'll meet and angry man with a dog and a shot gun. You hear me?
>trick people
Retard tier response. If you're selling a good service or product, there is no tricking involved. You're a pussy who's making excuses for himself
(((Donations))) to cancer research and the redcross. They aren't buying anything.
Sales is degenerate. All sales techniques are meant to trick you.
webdev is truly the most redpilled career.
It's the quickest path to a HUGE paycheck.
It's the quickest path to C-Level [not really]
It's a skill set that can be applied ANYWHERE.
It will never be taken over by robots.
It requires no expensive education (debt)
You don't have to benefit from nepotism.
You profit from the stupidity of others.
All that's required is that you not be a lazy autist.
Why aren't you working sales, Sup Forums?
I'm not a commie, I'm a craftsmen. Watching fucking skinny ass beta salesmen try and hauck their shitty mass produced knives to old ladies with their faggot haircuts and stupid tricks disgusts me to the core. I just show people the knife I made and let them hold it and if they don't want it they can fuck off.
fucking jew
You just don't know the human psychological tricks you could imply. A robot can't do that.
Why?
Was my first decent job after restaurant work
Used to go into a Stereo store and eventually the manager asked if I wanted to come in on Wednesdays and unload the stock truck
I did and after a few weeks he asked if I wanted to try sales.
I agreed . They gave me a brief training session in the store.
I remember there were four phases to a sale.. I only remember two; qualify and close.
Thatw as all I needed... find out why the people were there and get their money
Within a few months I had reach eighth out of the entire nationwide corporate sales ranking.
I was a natural..
Capitalism is the greatest threat to sales. Sales is the greatest threat to the psyche of the American people and their liberties.
This is why socialism and communism are master race and anything else is for faggots with poop
>Every sales guy I have ever met has been either a successful asshole or a pathetic loser. There really is no inbetween.
This is true. And it's why so many fags in this thread are antagonistic to the idea of a sales career. They are betas. They are scared they won't measure up.
Eh, depends on your clients. Goldman Sachs salesmen are creating markets for billionaires and earning huge commissions. I
I'm in HVAC sales in the bay area (East Bay) and I earn between 200K and 300K depending on the brutality of the summer. If you are in the right market (million dollar homes, mommy and daddy pulling in 650k) it is nothing to get a customer to drop 25k on a new system. Plus, all my leads are hot from the service guys. Mind you, not all markets are the same, and sales incomes are more of a beta distribution than a SBC.
The angriest guy I met was insecure fat fuck. 2 boats. 3 cars, biggest house on the neighbourhood. (It wasn't even a rich neighbourhood).
It is no big deal
U wot nigger?
>spend life shilling services and goods you don't understand to equally ignorant administrators
> career depends on ability to conform self to acceptable mainstream social norms for customer appeal
>"redpilled"
>not be a lazy autist
>Sup Forums
Pick one.
All the salesmen I know have trouble just paying their rent.
This. Even beta's can eventually make a good pitch, but when it comes to closing the sale, they fold.
if your product is good, you don't need salesmen for it.
Whenever I see an advertisement, I make a note not to buy that product. The money spent on hiring sales & marketing could have been cost savings for the customer, or invested in making the product better.
Kitchen knives? A security system? Pest removal? Satellite TV? this is where salesmen are and it's all overpriced garbage.
How did you come into your position? I'd like to know more.
You are a bitter old fuck with no people skills I left a career in science to go into sales and holy fuck is it good money. The people selling knives arent really in sales that's bullshit. If you can pick girls up at the bar and close you can make a shit ton of money in sales fyi almost every business is selling something....... and most people can barely communicate so they need non autists to do it for them...
so I want to start in sales.
Where to start with a budget of $300 ? Im not kidding. Im living in a 3rd world country and $300 is my monthly income for 160 hours of hard work.
>people are actually this stupid
there are amazing products out there that are better than their competition but go out of business because they got out-advertised.
or didn't advertise at all
>if your product is good, you don't need salesmen for it.
Incorrect. All products need sales and marketing.
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Sales is grinding work but to say theres no nepotism is utter bullshit
You are disgusting
Salespeople are invariably retarded faggots.
name them. if they're really so great they will spread by word of mouth. if they're good but not amazing they'll be beaten out by existing products that fill the same need almost as good but at better prices.
>t.salesman pls don't leave me YOU NEED ME
Amazon is replacing you. Suggestion algorithms show me what I want, not some greasy fuck looking to sell me shit and call it ice cream
And only retards allow a salesman to influence their purchase. Anyone with a shred of intelligence knows the product he wants to buy before he goes into the shop. At most, the salesman should be a glorified cashier.
Salesmen can only ply their trade on low-IQ or otherwise ignorant people. That is why they are considered scum, because there is nothing to brag about when you sell a cluless woman an overpriced SUV, or a demented elderly man some bullshit he doesn't need.
Takes work, though. You want the true secret to maximum prosperity for the least amount of effort? Do what I do. Higher education salaried positions at private universities. Been in the system for two decades. Currently 20 years of employment with a philosophy BA degree and I make over 80k a year doing less than three hours of actual work a day consisting of email correspondences and event management. Yes, I gained leverage based solely on looks and social competence. I read manga on a tablet for six hours a day on average. The most adversity I have to deal with personally stems from the baffled attitudes of my female colleagues concerning my lack of a wife. Not even a 2D elitist, I just love DMing for my real friends and playing ps1/2 games. God bless you all.
Because a robot has no emotion and is very easy to turn down. Has no ability to use emotion to influence a person, or pressure a person into buying something? Lots of sales people flirt, can robots do that? Can a robot convince a husband to buy a cruise ticket by bringing up old memories when the couple were passionate and in love? Can a robot get past a person's objections?
No.
And this is coming from a person that is actually studying machine learning.
See this^
>mfw all the retards in this thread who say, "I don't let salesmen influence my decisions," are the exact dumbfucks I close every day.
ill fooking bash your nigger mouth in mate watch yer damn tone when you talk to your daddy.
>there are people ITT right now who are preaching the art of the Jew
This thread is degenerate.
Nah dude, you're stupid. There are tons of other sales positions in real estate, finance, etc. Nearly every product has a salesman at at least two points from production to retail.
>No.
You really think pic related is going to be employed in sales, rather than an android that is sufficiently realistic as to be indistinguishable from a human, but better in every way?
Again, there is nothing a human can do that a robot will not eventually be able to do better. We may be complex, but we are not irreplaceable.
>two boats
Guaranteed sale!
Seriously though. Don't ring my bell. I'll kill you.
Lol what a fucking idiot.
There was a case study where am had a superior chip but in the end Intel won in terms of sales and profits because their product was marketed better event hough the amd chip was superior.
In fact, marketing is the heart of any business and is the reason most businesses fail.
I did service first (had a boiler operators licence from the power plant industry) and a mechanical background from the military. Went to one year of HVAC school (I have a degree in CIS, so it's an added bonus on a resume). A good HVAC company has one salesman per 25 employees, so you aren't stepping on each others dicks for commissions. The product sells itself, especially if the system is not operating. Also, explaining latent heat vs sensible heat to the average customer sells your credibility off the bat (which is key) on top of being presentable.
Go into sales and I dare you to repeat what you said you turbo autistic.
>Salesmen can only ply their trade on low-IQ
A good salesman loves people who are "too smart to be sold"
Intel chips as a whole perform better than AMD. that's why their business succeeds.
can't point to just one chip & say that's why.
I somehow doubt this. I never to seek to purchase a product until I know what I want. I love saying no to people to try to sway me.
Like a previous user said, all you need to be is a polite cashier.
>typical "i dunt fall for salesmen" autist cucked by advertising
> It will never be taken over by robots.
TFW I work in marketing and sales automation. Sales people are too big a variable. They'll be replaced by robots in less than five years.
An AI will never mask a human and it is easy to turn down a machine trying to sell you stuff believe me.
There was an AI that wrote music, it was so perfect, perfection didn't sound pleasing to humans so they had to add deliberate fault to the music.
>all these "too smart to be sold" retards posting in this thread
I routinely make 7-8k a month off of people like you.
OP isn't really talking about the consumer salesman you see at the mall pushing grills. Salesman only make good money if they work at the corporate level selling products to businesses or other entities, and there is usually a lot more to it than just getting the customer to fork over the money. The highest paid positions are the kind where the sales guy is maintaining a long-term relationship with a client and making sure the customer stays happy. It's hard to do well but a good salesman is worth a shit ton of money to companies even if their product is already the best on the market.
>watch glenarry glen ross
>come to Sup Forums and this thread is up
>never has there been a thread on Sup Forums about sales
Alright. Now I know I'm living in a simulation.
>I also feel a deep, unsettling disgust when I try and trick people into buying things they don't really need.
so sell things that aren't shit to the customers that need those things?
If your a good salesman then you don't care what the product is. You've got it backwards. Sales is for fratboy scum. They're idiots, almost as bad as recruiters.
Also OP, nepotism plays more of role for sales than most other jobs.
Source-I'm an engineer, unfortunately I have to communicate with salesmen all the time to dig them out of holes and talk the client down from the impossible shit the "redpilled" salesmen has promised them.
I buy AMD because it's more cost efficient. but intel chips are better, that's not disputed by anyone in the know. but as you said, they also have the cost overhead of marketing.
>if they're really so great they will spread by word of mouth
so then you see the point of advertising but you put it under a different word that you respect more...
word of mouth IS advertisement...
it's just done for free and without the direct input of the owner of the product
advertisement is far far more effective than word of mouth and it seeks to achieve the exact same goal
even just showing someone a product or putting up a sign or making a logo is advertisement
if you have a product and you tell ANYONE about it... that's advertisement
you have no logic with which to say that advertisement is somehow better than word of mouth
in fact its provably worse because less people hear about a product through word of mouth than they do through ads or commercials
you could argue that cleaning up a product and making it seem as if it's better than what it really is, is deceitful
but not all advertisements even do that
some advertisements just say "here's our product. this is what it does"
implying that putting an add on tv that says "drink coca-cola" and nothing else, is somehow underhanded or deceitful
>*tips retail sales associate badge
Yeah, nah m8s. I don't set foot in a store unless I already know what I want, and no amount of salesmanship will convince me otherwise because no salesman can change the fundamental characteristics of the product I want. If I go into a car dealership and I want a Honda Civic, for instance, I am not going to buy a fucking minivan no matter how great of a salesman you think you are.
>so they had to add deliberate fault to the music
And then the recordings were indistinguishable from a human's? Glad you agree.
Certainly, corporate sales is a different animal entirely. But the vast majority of the population have primarily experience with retail salesmen.
>tfw to poor to buy anything
>go to a car dealership like every month because I get one of those prize brochures they mail out
>salesmen go full pressure
>tell them I have shit credit
>"Well how bad is it? We cater to low-credit individuals."
>"I have trouble getting a library card, seriously."
>they laugh and just give me whatever I won
I worked sales for a while. Cell phones. Made me feel dirty after a while, selling something to people that I knew they wouldn't be able to afford.
Intel has a lot of products that are complete and utter shit but they get used over vastly superior products because Intel is good at marketing, and I don't mean just for themselves. I can tell you with certainty that there are certain electronics products out on the market today that have Intel chips soldered onto the board and used in some silly, nonsensical way just so that they can slap "Intel Inside" on the packaging. That's not to say they aren't the best at some of the stuff they do, but alot of shit gets through simply because of their name.
>because no salesman can change the fundamental characteristics of the product I want.
...until a cute sales bunny with huge tits flirts with you and you spill all the spaghetti in your pockets.
Seriously. Stop being a fag. The fact that you're so defensive about the idea of sales being effective is a dead giveaway that you're a buyer and that you've been closed before. Your defenses are way up because you know you're vulnerable to salesmen.
Because I want to feel like I'm contributing something to the human legacy, even if in just a small way
It's why I went engineering
This desu. I don't hate salespeople or anything. I know what they are doing and actually can respect for being good enough with words to talk people into buying useless shit. It's just not for me and I don't really posses those kinds of skills.
I don't see anything noble about it. I want to avoid feeding into the consumerist machine as much as I reasonably can. I dream of an America of citizens and not consumers.
>corporate sales
So, hr and all execs.
sales is little more than a disease that has found a way to survive by exploiting the weakness of others
What a lazy femminie way of earning money something the kikes come up with surely!
I would rather have a propper mans job learning a trade in construcion in which you give blood sweat and tears to get paid at the end of the week whilst having enjoyable and funny moments along the way!
Not to mention at how it is a great foundation for
mangement and engineering, in which you can work your way up through the ranks to become the top of your game.
I mean I know someone who started out as a simple plant fitter (someone who repairs construction machinery) who ended becoming the chairman of a multinational company on half a million a year!
>merchant
No
I have struggled with this.
I am a gifted individual but while I appreciate Beethoven and Bach's music hundreds of years after they've died I still have to consider eventually it and everything done on Earth by man will vanish for the rest of time so where will what I've done be remembered then?
if nowhere why bother doing anything but whatever pleases me most?
if that be as little as is necessary am I betraying my creators who blessed me with great giftedness if I do not use it ?
>targeted advertising algorithms
you're already obsolete. cucky cuckerson.
>advertising is sales
Not untrue but also not entirely true.
We have to limit "sales" to vocational selling, otherwise literally everyone is a fucking salesman
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