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Who betrayed who Sup Forums?

Did Hitler backstab Stalin or was it the vice versa?

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Stalin backstabbed Hitler.

Thoth seems to know hidden things about it

Stalin was the real bad guy, not Hitler. Hitler said, "you'll know i was Right"

Forced meme

How exactly?

Can anyone elaborate on the sequence of events that transpired?

(((Google))) searches seem a bit biased.

Hitler. Stalin was pissed as fuck. They used to be allies against brittish.

They were both planning to fuck each other over, Hitler took his chance before Stalin could

Hitler backstabbed Stalin but in all likelihood Stalin was preparing for war in the long term as a just in case measure. it still came as a shock as Stalin did nothing to provoke Hitler and until war happened he thought he was on very good terms with Hitler.

Hitler was a real moron.
If he havent attacked Stalin he wouldnt have lost the war.

Both of them knew that the peace treaty they made would not last. Hitler wanted to buy time to deal with England while Stalin wanted time to prepare his army for when the treaty was inevitably broken. There was a massive increase in Soviet Military production at the time with airfields and bases being built on the Soviet side. It's mistaken to call Operation Barbarossa poorly thought out or unplanned because they had no choice. They had to strike the Soviets first before they could finish their preparations.

checking these hopscotch digits

This tbqh

Hitler did backstab Stalin, if he hadn't Stalin would have eventually done it himself. At the time the Soviet military was seen as weak since they'd barely beaten back the Japanese and had actually lost to the Finns. So a preemptive strike before Stalin could gather his strength was a very smart thing to do.
It almost worked too, had it not been for the stream of foreign supplies being delivered to the USSR.

Th-thanks Churchill haha.

From what I understand this

They were both aware that they'd be at each others throats, why I can't say so i don't believe this 100% if any redpilled anons could give a detailed response to OP that would be cool

>thanks Churchill

You are blaming the wrong country for USSR's aid. Britain could barely fend for itself after Dunkirk.

Well Hitler backstabbed Stalin but it's not like that alliance was made to last.
Stalin expected Hitler to attack, but he expected it to happen later.
In 1941 he was convinced it was some British plot to involve USSR in the war.

Stalin Intended To Strike Hitler First
By Henry Makow PhD
1-28-7
"He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future." --George Orwell

Most people think the Nazis betrayed a trusted ally June 22, 1941 when they launched "Operation Barbarossa." In fact, Stalin was planning to attack Hitler almost as soon as the ink dried on their non-aggression pact August 23, 1939.

The Nazi's "Operation Barbarossa" anticipated the Soviets by only "a few weeks" says Heinz Magenheimer, one of Austria's most respected military historians. "The Wehrmacht thrust right into the centre of an overpowering offensive deployment with armored and motorized troops massed on the borders." ("Hitler's War: Germany's Key Strategic Decisions 1940-1945, 1997, p.63)


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The Royal Navy kept the supply lines open

Hide the truth, divide a lie into two, and have people debate over which lie is the Truth.

Brilliant job Anglo.

Stalin told military academy graduates May 5, 1941: "And now after we have become strong... we must shift from the defensive to the attack." He had nine million men, 38,000 tanks and 22,200 aircraft and expected to be in control of Berlin and most of Europe by the end of 1942.

At some point, Hitler realized Stalin intended to stab him in the back while he was occupied against England. Churchill and Stalin, both Freemasons, had a secret pact. Just read (Soviet ambassador to London) Ivan Maisky's "Memoirs" to see how chummy the British and Russians were even while the latter were in bed with Hitler.

(Evidence of a secret Churchill-Stalin pact was found on a British plane that crashed in Finland en route to Russia. The Oct. 2005 Finnish report is no longer available on the Liberty Forum site where I saw it. )

Hitler was double-crossed by Stalin and Churchill. As the Russian campaign turned sour, did Hitler take revenge on Jews? Extermination did not start until 1942 when Hitler said: "This war will not turn out the way the Jews imagine it, that is with the extermination of the European Aryan peoples, but that the result of this war will be the destruction of Jewry." (Dwork, /Holocaust: A History/, p. 284)

STALIN'S BLACKMAIL

Stalin's price for continued collaboration amounted to blackmail. At a Nov. 1940 Berlin Conference, Molotov demanded large parts of the Balkans, the Turkish straits, Bulgaria and Western Poland. (47)

Magenheimer suggests that Hitler's final decision to attack Russia was prompted by Russian support of an anti-Nazi military coup in Yugoslavia in March 1941. Clearly Stalin was fishing in Hitler's pond.

Magenheimer says that "Operation Barbarossa" was "decisively influenced" by this aggressive Soviet posture. Stalin's demands "were not only unacceptable to Germany" but reinforced "the impression that Moscow posed a long-term threat." Germany gave up on attempts to bring the USSR into a "continental bloc" against Great Britain.

In 1939, Stalin started to build a "Polish Red Army of Liberation" from the ranks of Polish POWS. They were to liberate Poland from the Nazis and provide the nucleus of a Communist regime. He overestimated the power of brainwashing. The mainly Catholic Poles refused to cooperate and that's why roughly 15,000 officers were shot at Katyn Forest and elsewhere in April-June 1940.

The questions remains: If Stalin was prepared to attack Europe, why did he passively endure Hitler's devastating invasion? He had plenty of warning yet didn't launch a pre-emptive attack as his generals advised. He threatened to shoot anyone who took precautionary measures claiming Hitler would see them as provocations. He insisted Hitler wouldn't start a two-front war and was only bluffing.

If we believe FDR's dictum that nothing in history happens by accident, were the massive Russian loses (20 million dead) and extended Nazi supply lines part of some secret plan?

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WHY DON'T WE HEAR ALTERNATE VIEWS?

In 1990, Viktor Suvorov revealed Stalin's plans in his book "Icebreaker" but he was considered a maverick. Using post-Glasnost archival material and research, Magenheimer confirmed that Suvorov was indeed right.

We don't hear that Stalin intended to displace Nazis hegemony with his own because "Uncle Joe" was our ally, and Communism was a dialectical model for the New World Order.

History is a form of brainwashing. The programming calls for Hitler to be a homocidal maniac intent on eradicating all Jews and taking over the world. Thus Hitler's stigma can be transferred to anyone who opposes Zionist power and control: nationalists, racialists, and religious, Palestinians Taliban etc. all become identified with "Islamo Fascists." Thus we are primed for the next new world order war.

A view that showed the Judeo-Masonic Money Power (that controlled England, the US and USSR) conspiring to destroy Germany; and Germany possibly using Jewish genocide in revenge, interferes with this programming.

When International Jewry "declared war" (wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html )

on Nazi Germany in 1933, it didn't consider half a million German Jews who would immediately become prisoners of war. Eventually most European Jews became hostages and pawns in a game played by a few.

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PRISONERS OF MIND

Alexander Solzhenitsyn's book about the Jewish role in the Bolshevik Revolution and after, "Two Hundred Years Together" (2003) also interferes with holocaust mind control. It documents the disproportionate role ethnic Jews played in the Russian Revolution and subsequent genocide of 66 million Russians under Lenin and Stalin.

A measure of our mind control: This work by a Nobel Prize winning author, a best seller in Russia has not been translated into English. Thus we must learn from Wolfgang Strauss (tentmaker.org/wp/?p=57), a reviewer of the German edition that Solzhenitsyn explained Russian anti-Semitism by citing the newspapers of the day. The 'Jew Bolsheviks' had captured and occupied the Soviet State; they were in the top ranks of the Red Army. Soviet power had been converted into Jewish power, and the Jews pursued Jewish, not Russian goals. (p. 201)

"Solzhenitsyn states that Lenin had three reasons for elevating young secular, revolutionary-minded Jews to the State's elite, in effect replacing the Tsarist bureaucracy. First, because of the deadly hate the young Jews had for Russian traditions, religious rites, historical models, hate for everything Russian and Russia itself. Second, their willingness to cross the last taboo borders in morality. And third, their readiness to physically liquidate the enemy."

Stalin put Jews in charge of some of his nastiest work, and then catered to popular sentiment by liquidating them. "Such was the case in the murderous collectivization program in 1928-1933 to which the names of prominent 'Jew Bolsheviks' were attached. Stalin was well aware of the hate city Jews had for everything related to the Russian and Ukrainian peasantry. They spread terror, killing the peasants and destroying the villages; eventually causing the famine that took the lives of at least six million Ukrainians. The Jewish commissars in charge of the anti-kulak program, which was tantamount to genocide, were literally the masters over life and death."

Thus, while many Jews such as my grandparents were innocent victims of Nazi terror, Bolshevik Jews were perpetrators of terror. This acknowledgement would interfere with the "guilt trip" (charge of anti-Semitism) used to advance the Zionist agenda (and keep Jews in line.) How dare Zionists accuse political opponents of "hate"? It is a disingenuous and juvenile psychological trick to paralyze opposition. Zionists who assign a ridiculous collective responsibility to others would have a lot to answer for themselves.

CONCLUSION

Our era resembles the 1930's when people lived in constant dread of an upcoming world war. War was very unpopular in 1939 but our misleaders managed to engineer one anyway. Bush cannot win a guerrilla war in the Middle East and is planning a nuclear one.

The pieces are all in place for escalation. An "Iranian" attack on a US ship; an Israeli strike on Iranian nuclear facilities; an "Iranian" (terrorist nuclear?) attack on Israeli or American cities; the imposition of martial law and dictatorship in the US. Who believes Bush and Cheney aren't capable of this?

Frankly I am depressed by this prospect. Setting the historical record straight is one way I have of responding.

Note: An insight into Stalin: In January 1913, Stalin spent six weeks in Vienna writing an article. The working class champion stayed at the mansion of Alexander Troyanovsky, the Jewish son of a high Czarist officer who became Soviet ambassador to Washington 1934-1938. His son Oleg, who attended a Quaker school in DC, later became Soviet ambassador to the UN in the 1980's. The anecdote suggests Bolshevism was sponsored by wealthy Jews, and the fate of European Jews was influenced by the course of Soviet-Nazi relations. Apparently, Communists had no use for non-Communist Jews. (Frederick Morton, /Thunder at Twilight: Vienna 1913-14/, pp. 20-24.) -----

Henry Makow Ph.D. is the author of "A Long Way to go for a Date." His articles exposing fe-manism and the New World Order can be found at his web site www.savethemales.ca He enjoys receiving comments, some of which he posts on his site using first names only. [email protected]

Hope it helps op! you're an faggot!

Hitler backstabbed Stalin because Stalin was going to backstab Hitler. However, that isnt saying that Hitler wanted eternal peace and friendship with Russia. One of them was going to get backstabbed eventually, Hitler just struck early

That theory has been discredited long ago and was always seen as a joke.
Nothing indicates Soviets were prepared for offensive.
In fact they were caught totally unprepared and raped by Germans.
Their logistics were barely existant.
There is literally no logic in that claim.

This is what happened - Hitler did nothing wrong

It is a well known fact that Stalin himself was anti-semite and purged Jews from high positions during his reign. He outright murdered them too and did not trust them - at all.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_and_antisemitism

>backstabs Poland
There was a war between Russia and Poland after WW1. Wasnt really a "backstab" to Poland

not until LONG after her consolidated his power, until that point, the jews ran the USSR from the start.

Well except Kaganovich and Mekhlis who were obedient dogs.

>LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU GOY
Can you provide any counter claims

I already did in that post.

>"This war will not turn out the way the Jews imagine it, that is with the extermination of the European Aryan peoples, but that the result of this war will be the destruction of Jewry."

topkek. Hitler was a tinfoil hat faggot

fuck off cuck. Dont besmirch the memories of your betters.