Rand previews: >Health Savings Accounts with tax credits >legalize cheap skeleton plans >allow individuals and small businesses to form health associations to negotiate plans >staying on parents plan until 26 likely will be kept >sounds like GOP is behind it
Other things we can expect: >Individual mandate gone obviously >Competition allowed across state lines >general rollback of taxes and regulation on the industry
Thoughts? Seems breddy good to me so far desu. Democrats are going to have a hard time fighting it, because its nothing crazy and just common sense steps. They are going to throw a fit about removing the pre-existing conditions clause, but thats objectively a huge part of why prices are out of control.
>RAND PAUL IN CHARGE OF THE HEALTHCARE PLAN FUCK YEAH
Oliver Wilson
You guys have no idea how hard my dick is right now.
David Edwards
you guys also dont realize that republicans hate paul
Nathan Rodriguez
This is probably the NUMBER ONE THING that is going to blow liberals the fuck out.
They're going to be so fucking mad that will actually work.
Healthcare costs are going to dramatically come down in america.
lol and I hope my country follows suit and privatizes our awful system
Jordan Robinson
bump bump bump
Caleb Fisher
watch the video. He said his bill is crafted based on various GOP proposals over the years. It sounds like the party is behind him. Also another time he said that Trump supports his plan. This is far from a full libertarian overhaul. Its broad stroke market reform based on other Republicans' proposals. It also looks very good to have a physician authoring the bill
Dominic Campbell
>allow individuals and small businesses to form health associations to negotiate plans >allow
THANKS UNCLE SAM!
(It is a nice step tho)
Owen Hall
What sort of regulations will be rolled back?
Nathaniel Hill
the more i hear about this the more I like it
this is going to be a smashing success
Grayson Baker
RANDLETS UNITE
Julian Garcia
>huge part of why prices are out of control. And malpractice insurance. Let's be like the U.K. where loser pays.
Landon James
only Trump could give Rand a redemption arc
John Green
I APPROVE
Chase Diaz
>This is far from a full libertarian overhaul. But it's a start, and when it inevitably works people are going to want more and more and more free market policies.
:DDDDD
You are now redpilled enough to know the government was foolishly blocking this shit in the first place.
These ones.
Josiah Ross
>This is probably the NUMBER ONE THING that is going to blow liberals the fuck out.
yep. Once healthcare prices start plummeting Trump's mandate is going to be unstoppable
Aaron Murphy
i still believe
Carter Powell
Link to this?
Kevin Bailey
>yep. Once healthcare prices start plummeting Trump's mandate is going to be unstoppable MY FUCKING DICK
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Charles Bailey
This is Paul saving Trump and the GOP asses.
They were all set to repeal and replace later. Raul knows that's a horrible idea. He's the hero of this story.
He still makes amazingly good points though and it's well sourced.
Andrew Davis
Okay, so when will we get rid of the rest of that shit?
Jason Gutierrez
Probably once Rand's law is passed and healthcare prices start coming down in price. Then people will want more and more free market reforms and prices will come down even MORE.
Then medical innovation skyrockets because the health technology market will be deregulated and booming.
Then transhumanism and biological immortality.
Jackson Ward
Based af
Jordan Martin
The medical technological innovation thanks to free market healthcare will result in anime catgirls becoming real in only 15 years time.
Ryder Howard
the rest will have to wait until the public has its faith in the market restored. Taking a wrecking ball to the system would freak the public the fuck out. Dems would have a ton of ammo, and getting rid of everything too quickly could prove to be reckless. The whole industry needs to be rebuilt in time. This first bill is a foundation that can also serve as proof of concept for true free market care
Ryder Martin
The best part is that the Dems have doubled down on defending Obamacare as a failed policy as one of the only things their party still stands for. So if we can succeed in replacing it with a program that drives down prices then it will be yet another nail in their coffin.
Samuel Turner
I'm liking this timeline
Jaxson Gray
Optimistic much? You think the AMA, big pharma, doctors, and others are going to lie down and lose their power and money for the benefit of patients?
You think the general population is aware enough to call bullshit when all these forces cry foul and warn how people will die if such drastic changes are enacted?
Nicholas Brooks
>ou think the AMA, big pharma, doctors, and others are going to lie down and lose their power Thanks to these reforms and what Trump and Rand is planning, yes.
Kevin Sanders
Where does Rand Stand on IP law, and demonopilization of the AMA? I know he was registered with or started some meme AMA competitor, and was like the only doctor. But does he really want to let Mr. Smith, experienced cold and flu care provider, work on his own independently?
Nicholas Parker
Is Trump really planning and/or supportive of that big of a change - removing or easing IP law in medicine?
Kayden Rivera
If there is no Anti-Trust/Monopoly/USC lawsuits or commissions to go after them I dont see this bill doing what could otherwise be done.
It will help, but will still be wanting and prices will still be high
Eli Johnson
USC15*
Easton Ward
If I was a health insurance company, I would be creaming in my pants right now.
Aiden Collins
read: AMA and AHA need to be neutered. They are totally monopolistic and corrupt.
The thing about medical licensure is that a lot of general practice doctors honestly dont need to go through the insanely rigorous, expensive and long process that is currently required. We should be fine with letting people be General Practitioners with far less education. They just need to know how to help people with common problems and be able to know when to refer to specialists. Easing license requirements would drop costs dramatically. (this goes for every industry that requires a license). Mr. Cold and Flu can charge lower prices when he isnt shackled with 200K in student debt and AMA fees
Cooper Anderson
I imagine liberals will be so buttcrushed they will try to destroy this bill/plan.
Grayson Howard
sum it up in 140 characters
Dylan Anderson
Eventually I hope so yes.
Rand Paul wants this.
They're shitting in their pants that their monopolies are going to die.
Camden Russell
Good thing the dems got arrogant and now senate needs just 51 votes which the Republicans have. Plus a control of the house means it'll pass no problem.
James Gray
How so you respond to liberals saying "you are killing sick people who need obamacare"?
Owen Jackson
They're having an even harder time getting a doctor under Obamacare. Doctors are cutting down on their clientele
William Evans
Their arguments aren't about doctors. It's about medication and therapy, they won't be able to afford without obamacare. Like chemo
This, I'm stuck paying out of pocket for visits and paying $50+ for meds people get for $5. Can't get accepted for insurance and on top of that I have a $700 fine for not having insurance. It's the middle class that's being fucked.
Jason Bell
Why?
This seems to be the case.
No, I agree with you and those infopics. I'm just asking is if Rand is pushing for what is in those infopics. If so, great. It just seems like we're way far off from that becoming a reality.
Nolan Murphy
F that. Rand has been a hero since he got elected.
Hopefully the unassailable success of Randcare and Audit the Fed will put him in the Oval Office.
Ryder Johnson
tell them to wait and watch prices plummet and come back to tell me if they dont. The thing is liberals dont understand or care about economics so explaining how these changes will lower prices is a waste of time. Currently health care prices in America literally could not get worse unless they tried to make it worse. Any common sense market reform is going to lower prices no doubt. Considering that Obamacare exchange premiums were going to skyrocket this year along with crazy shit like $7000 deductibles, it will be abundantly clear soon enough that repeal and replace was the right call. The best part is that they are going to make themselves look like loud idiots by kicking and screaming for a few weeks until they are proven wrong
Logan Bennett
Rand supports a lot of that kind of reform in principle. Most of that won't make it into this bill though. Trying to do that would make the bill way more controversial and harder to pass so we'll have to wait for the future. This bill is more like broad reform to save the healthcare industry from literally imploding in 2017.
Daniel Lewis
What about pre-existing conditions? It's pretty much a necessity considering how fucked up people are these days.
Owen Nguyen
Wouldn't they need 60 votes to override a veto?
Cooper Morales
Legal marijuana when?
Jason Reed
Fuck yeah I'm excited. I opened a HSA back in October when I started my new job. I had a feeling then Trump would win after witnessing the power of meme magic here
Wyatt Anderson
I-is he still t-the chosen one?
Brandon Wood
DUDE
But seriously, it would be nice for a lot of people to have some alternative therapy for common ailments. They wouldn't necessarily need to get high to get relief from weed as far as I know, right? But weed products are so fucking expensive still in states with lax weed laws. I thought it would get cheap.
Camden Murphy
this is pretty ironic because we were told that the Individual Mandate was supposed to fix the ER problem
they are just freaking out because they can't possibly fathom insurance being provided by the market. What they don't understand is that the reason people can't afford health insurance is because the system is broken. The whole point of Repeal and Replace is to fix the system so anyone can afford it. Theres no reason except horrific government policy why health insurance should cost as much as it currently does. The amount of people that "can't afford" health insurance will be dramatically lower once costs come down. And also since barebones plans are going to be legalized, health insurance will be accessible to pretty much everyone.
I know you guys have had KrautKare for a long ass time but America is going to prove to yurop once and for all that we don't need massive government programs to make health care affordable
Chase Morales
Rand is the future of the party
Just need to kill McCain, McConnell, and Ryan.
Connor Wood
so if Obamacare is repealed then companies will start giving part-time workers 38 instead of 28 hours a week? from what I've see that has been a huge hit to the poor
Jose Stewart
All Trump needs to do is make the players in the system accountable. The "all you can eat" taking advantage of the taxpayer of the past is back.
To make that change doesn't in fact require him to change much in terms of rules. It's more about culture and less corruption.
Given that he's already shown a propensity to defend the taxpayer against large corporate entities (boeing, lockheed, car companies, apple, etc.), why shouldn't people expect the same level of accountability for health care?
Colton Fisher
Why the fuck should everyone else pay for Fato McSpics diabetes bill?
Carson Turner
He explains in the video.
The problem with requiring insurers to cover preexisting conditions is that people just wait until they are sick to by insurance, making the insurance pool's costs go up, and thus driving up premiums. This is a horrible vicious cycle that is a large part of why costs have gotten so out of control.
Rand points out that there are currently 11 million individually insured people. His plan is to allow individuals and small businesses to form health associations that are able to negotiate plans as a group. This effectively bypasses the preexisting condition issue because your individual costs of a preexisting condition are diluted by the rest of the group's payments
Asher White
I hope so. My job can finally go back up to 30-39 hours and start saving again.
Julian Nguyen
fucking finally. im glad its paul too, and hes not bitching about executive branch.
he's a legislator, and a damn good one. i just wish he'd quit interjecting into executive powers
Easton Moore
also this. Currently unhealthy people generally dont have to suffer most of the economic the consequences of their actions.
the beauty of this sort of decentralized health association model is that people can form whatever groups they want with (most likely) a large degree of freedom. Healthy individuals will be able to join associations that have strict requirements about stuff like diet, exercise, weight, gym membership, general maintenance of personal health etc. Costs will be much cheaper for associations with a high standard of personal responsibility. Fato McSpics will now have a clear economic incentive to get his ass in shape.
Ethan Jenkins
He'll quit talking about the executive when the executive respects the constitution and the division of powers.
Legitimate problem, needs to be addressed.
David Mitchell
Being able to stay on your parents plan until 26, or any plan of any other person indefinitely has no drawbacks for the person buying insurance or the insurer. It increases the risk pool for the insurer and makes it easier for people in service industry or entry-level jobs to get better insurance options through a family member or friend.
The only party this negatively affects is employers who offer health insurance at a discount to their employees. The only reason this negatively affects the employer offering health insurance at a discount is because government regulations and labor contract laws distort the market to favor compensating employees with discounted insurance instead of more money. This problem goes back to FDR and Truman and should be addressed, but is not in any way a result of Obamacare. Obamacare simply applied the 26 year old regulation as a government-centered band-aid instead of ending market distortion.
See "Aid to Employers" in I'm happy Rand is trying to take things in the right direction and I would like to see Republicans go further over time. Like Progressives/Democrats, we have to take it one step at a time over decades.
It's much easier to ratchet down what Progressives ratcheted up than abolish it all in one go.
Daniel Jackson
yeah dems can still filibuster this. They only got rid of the filibuster for presidential appointments. I'm assuming they will try it, but public pressure will force them to let it pass once people start realizing how much their premiums are going up this year. The reforms Paul proposed so far are honestly really common sense and I don't see Democrats mounting good arguments against it. They will probably freak out about removing the pre-existing conditions clause, but once Trump starts selling the bill, theyll lose steam since that clause is directly a huge part of why prices are so out of control
Carson Young
These are fantastic explanations of the problems facing the market today and their history.
Thomas Lewis
Oh thank God. Paul tweeted over the holidays about having spoken to Trump and Trump having agreed to implement his plan. Then there has been this two weeks of clusterfuck coverage of GOPe-cucks and their last chance at a porked out budget.
But always believed in Sen. Paul and believe Trump understands that leaving major legislation in "committee" hands is inevitably a concession that it will be a flawed product.
By giving trustworthy and effective legislators the chance to "signature" legislation like this/. I think it is a wonderful sign of things to come
Lucas Phillips
rand will preemptively filibuster, causing them to die of exhaustion before being allowed to speak. on their deaths, rand will consume their energy and store it for future filibusters
Connor Fisher
Will insurance companies be able to drop people?
And what if a plan is removed all together? If someone who has a condition needs to find a new plan or new company, won't insurance companies be able to hold that against them?
Look I absolutely agree that people should be punished for making bad decisions, but I don't want people to fall through the cracks because they were unlucky.
Jeremiah Sullivan
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Jeremiah Collins
executive powers are totally out of control. It was bad during Bush but Obama took it to a whole new level. I actually hope Paul keeps Trump's use of executive power in check because if Trump tries some of the stuff Obama did, he will put himself in danger of impeachment since Trump doesnt get the Get of of Jail Free card the media gave Obama
But yeah Im really glad Paul is doing the reform. The Pauls are generally trusted and respected by most Americans. People might disagree with "libertarianism" but still see the Pauls as respectable and trustworthy. If some GOP goon introduced the bill people would be much more skeptical.
A Trump/Paul alliance would be very powerful. A shitload of Americans actually identify as libertarian now. Its pretty much mainstream among many conservatives. Libertarians need to get reined back in to the right wing because a lot of them bought into the LITERALLY HITLER shit.
Oliver Walker
Any chance of avoiding the penalty this tax season by delaying my filing, maybe even getting an extension to wait out the repeal?
Juan Cruz
he's too short to ever be President and you know it
cut the crap
Ryan Cruz
So does this mean that private insurance plans will start to become more affordable again? I miss having my own plan so fucking gone much, but I just couldn't do it anymore after t he fucking AHA kicked in. Also, anything on stopping tax payers from having to pay for cosmetic surgery for people like tranny hormones and shit?
Noah Martinez
its not that i think it's bad cause, i just wish he wouldnt end every speech with "the constitution says __".
i get it, he's passionate and patriotic, and its a legit point. i watched 3-4 hours of his last filibuster. i just hope he's not sacrificing any useful time that could be spent legislating instead of acting as judiciary
Connor Thompson
>They are going to throw a fit about removing the pre-existing conditions clause
So why is this even a thing to begin with? Literally "I took a gamble on not buying health care and lost, now I want the people who didn't gamble to pay for my expensive as fuck treatment."
Austin Williams
If this actually works the country goes red for the next 2 decades. Democrats begin competing again when they finally accept their views are just too far fucking left and begin to come towards the center.
Thomas Fisher
the idea is that bringing competition back to the industry will do that. ACA made the industry a de facto oligopoly.
agreed
exactly. Its a shoddy, worn out argument. No doubt theyll trod it out again but Americans have heard it all before
Chase Wood
Leaf boi pucci
Levi Ross
if circumstances align properly, i would not at all be displeased to volunteer for future Randlet campaigns, one of the only legislators that meet with what serves as approval in this day and age
shit, i wouldn't mind living in Kentucky either, can't be that different than north GA which i find lovely
Juan Cox
This is redpilling everyone.
We need FREE MARKET HEALTHCARE
We need to go back to 1960s prices.
Liam Martinez
In other words give poor people plans that won't cover anything. So you can say they're """"""insured"""""" even though they'll have nothing there for them if they get sick.
John Butler
>Most of that won't make it into this bill though. Is this true?
This saddens me.
Hudson Sanders
>James Madison >5'4" >Wrote the fucking Constitution
Michael Kelly
Think of Home Insurance. It usually only costs a few hundreds dollars a year. Its a very affordable and logical thing to buy so that you are safe from financially devastating disasters that might happen to your home.
Now imagine that the government mandated that Home Insurance covers the plumber, electrician, cable installation, routine house inspections, window cleaning, carpet replacement in case of stains, etc. Not only the the price of buying home insurance skyrocket, but the entire homecare industry would be massively distorted. Instead of negotiating directly with the plumber, the plumber negotiates with an insurer that doesn't have the time or incentive to scrutinize the cost and quality of every plumb job.
The metaphor can be stretched further because insurance operates under the exact same principles no matter what industry it is, but you should already get the point (inb4 prices can go to infinity because people dont want to die!!! thats a leftist meme that has no basis in reality). Currently we have a situation where customers of health care are completely separated from providers of healthcare by an insanely bureaucratic and inefficient system. Spiraling healthcare and health insurance costs are a vicious circle that needs to be fixed. In an ideal world, you buy insurance for a few hundred dollars a year in case you get cancer or break a leg or something. It can be this cheap since routine visits to the doctor or even minor injuries would be paid for out of pocket. Liberals like to pretend economics arent real and this isnt possible, but you dont need to look further than the 1960s. Before the government decided it needed to invade the healthcare industry thats how it pretty much was. Health care used to be like 3% of GDP now its nearly 1/4.
before you reply think about how pillaging the middle class to pay for poor people and unhealthy people is fair
Lincoln Wilson
Thats why democrats are trying to sabotage
Justin Collins
well said it's also very arguable that the government recommendations on health (eat lots of carbohydrates, goy, fat and cholesterol give you heart disease and we don't need any RTCs to prove it) Indeed congress admits in their own act that they didn't have time to wait for evidence. The 1960s and 1980s health recommendations fucked the whole USA and since chronic diseases of civilization is what we are paying for, they REALLY fucked us. Basically they fuck up everything they attempt to fix.
Isaac Phillips
that would be a hell of a lot of reform. Some of this shit has been around for many decades, and only has gotten more complicated as the years go on. It would be a legal headache and it also would make way for louder opposition. I expect the bill thats passed to have very broad market-based reform that can be enacted quickly because thats what Americans desperately need right now. Also Trump needs to have a very aggressive agenda and really doesnt have time for a drawn out healthcare battle. But once this bill is in place for a while Americans will be much more receptive to more market reform. Right now they are very skeptical because liberals always point to Canada and GB systems
Mason Parker
That's actually an interesting analogy and I had never thought of it that way before. So we just need to find the sweet spot to place the cutoff of what insurance will cover and anything below that will be out of pocket. Even common surgeries are expensive as fuck though. I got my wisdom teeth removed last year and if insurance didn't cover it I would have had to pay like $8000. That's not astronomical but it's not really something I'd want to pay out of pocket for.
Eli Bailey
>that would be a hell of a lot of reform. Some of this shit has been around for many decades, and only has gotten more complicated as the years go on. It would be a legal headache and it also would make way for louder opposition. I expect the bill thats passed to have very broad market-based reform that can be enacted quickly because thats what Americans desperately need right now. Also Trump needs to have a very aggressive agenda and really doesnt have time for a drawn out healthcare battle. But once this bill is in place for a while Americans will be much more receptive to more market reform. Right now they are very skeptical because liberals always point to Canada and GB systems The future of humanity depends on this shit.
The number one thing blocking medical innovation is the stupid authoritarian monopoly healthcare systems ALL around the world.
Fuck we would have artificial hearts and shit by now.
There woulds be companies like Tesla but for medical care.
Because majority of those niggers up there are necons and not true conservatives.
Julian Davis
too bad Trump doesn't seem to want Rand Paul's plan and is ostensibly implying he's going to bring out universal healthcare - prob single-payer
he just gave an interview to the washington post saying as much
i voted for trump, but don't really support the socialist shit. as a californian, my priorities are building the wall and deporting the illegals, so as long as he does that i'll remain happy
Owen King
its a really good way to demonstrate how insurance is supposed to work that people can easily understand. Ideally, barebones insurance would pretty much be the norm for every one since insurance ultimately is just supposed to be shielding you from the really bad yet really unlikely situations.
There is honestly years of work ahead before we can get costs down to what they should be, but fixing the insurance industry will be a huge step in the right direction. The hope is that over time a better insurance structure will put downward pressure on the actual healthcare prices by stopping the vicious cycle that has caused this out of control industry to get so bloated.
$8000 for wisdom teeth really is absurd and indicative of underlying problems in the industry. I would imagine that once the bloat from insurance is mostly removed, we'll be able to see more clearly the underlying structural problems in the health care industry. Stuff like AHA lobbying for laws that tend to centralize all care in expensive hospitals as opposed to GPs being able to run their business, over regulation and taxation, too expensive and lengthy requirements to get licensed, etc. But its hard to attack those problems when real costs are so blurred by spiraling insurance prices and bureaucracy
