USA fighting with UK, Russia and France against Germany: victory

>USA fighting with UK, Russia and France against Germany: victory
>USA fighting on their own in Vietnam: defeat

Can America only win a war when they have allies who do all the dirty work for them?

le lost the vietnam war xdd

sage

Be cool German bro. No hate my dude. Next time there's a big war we'll be fighting together.

USA technically won the war at one stage. They made peace and kept south Vietnam. They had troops stationed in Vietnam to prevent any further fighting and there was peace for years.

Then, a new administration came in and decided to ignore North Vietnam's remobilisation and completely abandoned it when North Vietnam took this sign of disinterest as a sign to invade.

Yeah they lost but they shouldn't have

Well you certainly didn't win. And what's the opposite of winning again?

>minor conflict in the grand scheme of the Cold War
>Asian communism turned out to be a total fucking joke anyways and they're more capitalist than we are

Yes we left but which value system dominates Vietnam? Ho Chi Minh's and Lenin's or Henry Ford's and Nixon's?

Pic related. Made in China because I couldn't find a Vietnam shirt on my floor in the 10 seconds I looked.

Better than getting completely destroyed by your former (Soviet) allies, yes?

But what do Germans know about allies.

Except we did lose.
We're not all that retarded, I s-swear ...

Congress hasn't declared war since WWII

Lol France also lost against the gooks without even scoring an ebin K/D count

Who da fuq declaring wars? Are you some fancy royal? A buttsex homo fag?

But we also conquered them and ruled over the place for a century
Meanwhile, America lost its only war against them

Germany destroyed our army, while America was at its peak

And shut up nigger because you're our bitch, we cucked you so much that your whole country must speak French

USA won militaristically.
They lost politically.

We didn't lose because of fighting prowess we lost because of the media and counterculture.

I have no doubts France could've held onto that jungle given the proper commitment but the public saw imperialism as anachronistic so you left. Also, you held onto it in a period without any Chinese or Soviet involvement. Those Gooks were literally chucking spears at you not flying MIGs and lighting your Frog bodies up with AK-47s. Massive technology gap.

Kek!

Haters gonna hate!

More like Russia fighting against Germany and the rest does some faggy dancing and pretending afterwards they were of any help lmao

What is the entire western and african fronts of the war plus America fighting a two front war themselves?

>but the public saw imperialism as anachronistic so you left

Yep, same in Algeria.

We sure as shit didn't lose any major conflicts in Vietnam, so whats your point? We need other countries to convince our citizens to stop complaining?

>Those Gooks were literally chucking spears at you not flying MIGs and lighting your Frog bodies up with AK-47s.
>Frog bodies

Feels good brah.

>this meme again

Prove it wrong fag

Vietnam fucked us all over it's time to face it guys

This.

South Vietnam was stabbed in the back, we cancelled arms shipments they already paid for while North Vietnam got about $1 billion of weapons dumped on them by the USSR for the final offensive.

ARVN practically had no Air Force to counter the PAVN, and literally ran out of ammunition and fuel which is why they collapsed like a house of cards.

I plan to move to your country when the Race War happen, like millions of French, prepare yourselves because when the Race War happen Canada will become predominantly French.

At the end of the day all that happened was one dog-eats-dog Gook oligarchy replaced another one and American tourists can still look at Coca-Cola billboards, buy cheap heroin and inseminate gook sluts with their precious burger dollars. It's nothing like the proud Maoist fighting force state Ho Chi Minh envisioned.

So again I ask, who really won in the end?

>USA fighting on their own in Vietnam: defeat
>defeat
you should read more Muhammad

That's ignoring a shit ton of ramifications that happened. South Vietnam would have probably been an Asian Tiger economy, China's influence wouldn't be the same as it is today. Domestic politics would be different, there's a lot of factors a stalemate would have changed.

SHadilay, praise.

And neither war did we have to be in.
Face we are that helpful fellow that only pricks will criticize.

America was like the garfunkel of ww2

The French started the Vietnam war though

Good point the french got their asses kicked out of Vietnam before the US even showed up.

Why would we be fighting together with Muslims? Aren't they the enemy?

*ahem*

We fought the Nips pretty much singlehandedly.

>Leyte Gulf
>biggest battle in naval history
>"le ruler of the waves XD!!" got completely BTFO of the Pacific 3 years before it happened

We were more like the green ranger.
You guys are like the blue ranger because he's gay

as usual

Moral of the story is, this was the transformation period of the Left in America from the party of JFK to the disgusting anti-US, pro globalization, identity politics oriented party we have today. The loss of Vietnam rests entirely on their shoulders.

I would be watching television too much to give a stuff about any wars.

> Peace, Germany.

Nope
Vietnam started an independence war against France, that had nothing to do with your anti-commie crusade
You waited until we had lost and invaded Vietnam a year after we left, exactly because you didnt want to help us

French also lost against the vietnamese.
But I know this is probably bait.

Could have made sure it was nice and de-commified before you left though. Really would have saved everyone a lot of trouble.

But France also won against them
Unlike you

Just out of interest

Is there any war that the USA should have been in? Its ok to enjoy bombing the 3rd world and all but its not really productive is it?

He's right though. It was an unpopular war and the first that was widely broadcasted to the American population. We "lost" because it became so unpopular that we had to pull out.

>what is a guerilla war

Every war the US has been in they have done what they had to do, and "won." Nam was pretty bad, but we were also fighting on their turf, in the jungle, every major conflict was won by the US, its history, to say we lost is kinda wrong?

To say we have lost any modern day battles is outrages, Iraq was fought with gloves on, we could of glassed them at any point, and I personally don't know why we didn't, had something to do with fucking hippie Eurotrash yelling at us not to hurt the civilians that will become terrorists anyways...

>up against 4 battleships
Wow, it's almost like it wasn't an even fight, and the nips had an advantage.

In all modern wars America has inflicted vastly more casulties on the enemy than we have received. Our only weakness is liberals on the home front.

>A FUCKING MEDKIT

The army France lost to lost to america. Were better then you get fucked.
I have a sneaking suspicion that good armies are the ones that aren't too organized.

>vietnam owes the U.S. $56 million in debt and weapons sales reaching another $200 million

we won hans

Underrated post

This is a bait. Samefag has been posting this same thread everyday.

Why not take a quick stroll down memory lane before we discuss the risks and benefits of sticking one's willy in the third world, Nigel?

Yes, that was the significance of the event. The American force, Taffy 3, was hastily put together and outnumbered and they were facing the flagship force of the Japanese military. They did not exactly vaporize the said Japanese force but they did enough damage and scare tactics to force them back into port for the rest of the war. Compare to the Brits who probably would have just surrendered as previously indicated in their horrendous defeat at Singapore where they outnumbered the invading force and basic military strategy says an invader should have 3 times the strength of its defender. Next time a Brit downplays your country's achievements in WW2 or hypes up their bullshit Navy as the permanent ruler of the waves remember this.

t. someone who isn't normally this easily triggered but hey let's just get the record straight

>on their own in Vietnam
not quite, historically illiterate Hans

What are you saying hans? We should team up and invade the ME? ;)

Why are you speaking english on an american computer network Mohammed?

Damn, how did you pass the captcha?

*^

Says the nation who was literally cucked to pieces by everyone else for the better part of nearly 300 years, only to get their shit together and get cucked internationally not once, but twice.

Come on Hans. Even the jews you tried to exterminate have a better track record at defending their homeland than you do on multiple fronts, no less.

>58k Americans died
>440k - 1.1m Viet Cong died

Yeah sure buddy we lost

>It's nothing like the proud Maoist fighting force state Ho Chi Minh envisioned.

It was never supposed to be like that, though. Ho Chi Minh envisioned a free and independent vietnam free of foreign and colonial control and influence.

The Vietnam war was simply a continuation of the french Indochinese wars for independence.

Vietnam wrecked out civil society here in America for decades. It's directly responsible for the negro/biker gang crime wave of the last 40 years and was the beginning of mass amounts of hard drugs coming into the US. Drafting a bunch of niggers and hippies to fight in the drug capitol of the world was a horrible idea.

You forgot to put the pic on the right on the left side as well.

SAGED HE ALREADY DID THIS THREAD # DAYS AGO

Calm down, Hillary.

Tell that to the Japanese

France lost against both Vietnam and Brazil

Please, justify this frogs

Them having the best win-loss ratio in Europe justifies it.

WW1 was brutal for them, and they haven't really recovered mentally. Historically before that they wrecked shit.

The outcome of a war isn't measured in "which side lost the most meat" though.

We can't keep making this argument every time Vietnam is brought up.

You could:
A. Mention how Vietnam would eventually become a pseudo-capitalist state closer to how the United States envisioned it and how Vietnam was essentially a battle in the much larger Cold War, which we essentially won since the Soviet Union collapsed.
or
B. Use those KDR statistics with corresponding details about the media and counterculture to make the point that America's short term defeat in the war was due to internal political strife, so as to protect the honor of our military.

That we withdrew without securing our initial objectives is an irrefutable fact, however. Could we have gone on fighting in the jungle for an indeterminate period of time? Yes. Given the eventual outcome of the Cold War would there have been any point in such loss of resources of life? Fuck no.

Can Germany ever win a war?

In a Marxist-Leninist context capitalist interloping ala USA style is essentially imperialism. If the Vietnamese worker is sewing Super Bowl 2K17 t-shirts at a sweatshop, saving his money for a Kawasaki motorcycle, and there's a Coca-Cola billboard outside his apartment window then is he really "free" from foreign influence? Not in a Marxist-Leninist or Maoist context i.e the same lense Ho Chi Minh was ostensibly viewing the world from.

But does it fulfill American international trade policy objectives? Most certainly, yes.

Americans have never won a war by themselves.

Technically we were just supporting South Vietnam so it doesn't count as a loss for us, just the gooks.

In a 1v1 war, America would win against anyone.

brb, facing it

I guess California still is a different country but still

>I guess California still is a different country but still
>but still

what must it be like to have been defeated by a bunch of people you sent to another country to die?

they were essentially red blooded Americans back then, so memeing aside we did it all by ourselves like big boys and probably would have made it all the way to Panama if it wasn't for our faggot federal government.

So much delicious clay. Lrn2imperialism faggot.

feels just right
You're not a big boy until you invade Russia.

>It was never supposed to be like that, though. Ho Chi Minh envisioned a free and independent vietnam free of foreign and colonial control and influence.
Yeah, and that independent Vietnam was to be communist. Communism was a big part of it. That's why the Viet Minh purged and massacred everyone who wasn't communist.

>some fags who don't really want to fight
>A veteran army that defeated the French and the Japanese forces prior
Even inspite of that we could have won if it wasn't for the politics behind it

>this thread

today the bait was effective

We would have too, if it wasn't for (((Truman)))

This is true for the UK

You're thinking of Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh was pretty nice for a commie

>spends 600 gorilion a year on military
>has the most advanced military tech
>hasn't won any war since ww2, fighting exclusively 3rd world shitholes

Really makes you think.

>Why not take a quick stroll down memory lane before we discuss the risks and benefits of sticking one's willy in the third world, Nigel?

The irony

Vietnam wasnt a war kiddo.
No matter how you want to try to make a generalization there was no official us war on vietnam.

already did this thread

War has changed in the past 70 years Poland
Sorry for successfully stopping the spread of communism

The North Vietnamese didn't defeat the US military in military combat. They didn't have to. They actually defeated the US public in meme warfare.

The American public simply became sick and tired of the whole mess. So we picked up our toys and came home.

Kind of like what's happening in the Middle East.

You have no right to speak, leaf. Did any bonglandwealth country help us in the Pacific? Emotional support maybe?

No, that's just whitewashing propaganda. The Viet Minh purged all non-Communists from their group, that's literally why there was a South Vietnam. Ngo Dinh Diem's own brother was buried alive because he didn't accept an appointment as a bureaucrat.

Why the hell did tens of thousands of people become "Boat People" if Ho Chi Minh was so nice? Ten times as many people fled south as those who went north when Vietnam was partitioned. He fucking wasn't "pretty nice".

Not killing 25% of your population doesn't get you a gold star and make you not a mass murderer.

I'm not here to defend Canada's "Military" but we did "help you" in the pacific

Its because they couldnt join the fighting for a few months at the end this time

>Japan, not present
>300 casualties
DAY OF THE RAKE WHEN?

nice