Okay Sup Forums, you've got one chance to convince me that the Holocaust didn't happen
Clearly historians, Wikipedia, every media outlet, every encyclopaedia, every school exam board, every teacher, every politician, every single person who isn't a neo-nazi seems to think it happened.
Sure, they could be wrong, and I'm open to you proving me wrong. So go ahead.
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Jews say it did
I want strong evidence either way Nip. Give me reasons why it did or didn't happen.
Why has it been made illegal in some countries to question the holocaust?
Why have historians (Irving) been put in jail?
Why isn't their any official Nazi documents of the Holocaust?
Why do the Jews have to put out Hollywood propaganda every few years to remind us of the Holocaust?
I'd say that's pretty strong evidence right there
The holocaust was not a Jewish conspiracy. Holocaust denial is a Jewish conspiracy, however.
I'm not even memeing. There are problems with the official narrative of the holocaust, wartime propaganda that was never debunked. Normally, the natural process of historical revisionism would clean up this narrative after a few decades and give us the true picture of what happened. However, the holocaust has become such a sacred cow to these heebs that questioning any part of it is literally worse than questioning God in their eyes.
They created the denier label to strawman all revisionists as nazi apologists. A few stupid goys picked up their strawman after the fact and started unironically believing in it but nobody who has actually studied this shit believes there was no mass-murder of Jews, gypsies, and political prisoners in Nazi Germany. It happened.
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>Why has it been made illegal in some countries to question the holocaust?
Probably because it's offensive to Jewish people.
And that isn't evidence that it didn't happen, is it?
>Why have historians (Irving) been put in jail?
Same as above
>Why isn't their any official Nazi documents of the Holocaust?
*aren't there
Probably because they didn't want to be found out and then hung for war crimes, like they eventually were?
>Why do the Jews have to put out Hollywood propaganda every few years to remind us of the Holocaust?
Again, this isn't evidence to suggest it didn't happen, is it?
You do realise Jews have lots of different political opinions right? They're not just a hivemind?
E.g. Ben Shapiro and Ezra Levant on the right, then any number of liberal Jews on the left, e.g. Bill Maher, that cuck from Buzzfeed, Bernstein, etc.
This is hearsay, but my professor at Uni showed the entire class pictures of Sobibor. It had underground gas chambers that were filled up with dirt, currently being excavated.
The images also matched first hand accounts of the death camps structure.
Sum it up because I'm not going to watch a 40 minute video.
>There are problems with the official narrative of the holocaust
Can you give me some?
>However, the holocaust has become such a sacred cow to these heebs that questioning any part of it is literally worse than questioning God in their eyes.
>They created the denier label to strawman all revisionists as nazi apologists. A few stupid goys picked up their strawman after the fact and started unironically believing in it but nobody who has actually studied this shit believes there was no mass-murder of Jews, gypsies, and political prisoners in Nazi Germany. It happened.
That all seems fair to me. I'm just wondering then why some people on Sup Forums seem to be so assured that the Holocaust didn't happen.
Maybe they're just "picking up the strawman" like you say but I still want to hear their reasons.
It is more like the death numbers are exaggerated and Germany didn't plan to genocide anyone they died because there was a war going on.
I've been in Auschwitz, I've seen terrible things so it must be true
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If anyone could post the mega files that would be great. Also op I suggest posting this again at a busier hour.
To answer you question, most don't believe jews died, just the it was greatly exaggerated and due from lack of supplies. Things like gas chamber having wooden doors, real conflict between stories of multiple surivors, lack of nazi documents about it even though thats something they were known for, the crazy amount it is pushed especially in america, some camp turning out to be russian camps, russians building fake chambers and chimneys, the fact that it is physically imppssible to burn that many bodies and none of the bodies showing up anywhere else. Lots of stuff like that. Unfortunately I don't have the links or pics. Just post this around mid day tommorow and you'll get spammed
Any evidence for these claims?
I know that this isn't an evidence but when i was learning about holocaust and stuff, a old woman (claimed hollocaust survivor) gave my class a lecture about how she managed to survive and all. I don't think she was lying, but i think the numbers are lower than 6 million, perhaps 1 or 2 million.
>Can you give me some?
No evidence Auschwitz or Bergen-Belsen were death camps
No evidence Hitler approved the "final solution"
No evidence for the "6 million" figure.
> I'm just wondering then why some people on Sup Forums seem to be so assured that the Holocaust didn't happen.
Most of us are just memeing and being edgy nazis on the internet. Some of us believe it because they're either ignorant or retarded. For the most part, it's irrelevant whether you believe it or not around here though so I'm sure there are some passive holocaust deniers here who would change their mind when confronted with the evidence. The Jews who were put on trains and sent east were almost definitely intended to die there.
We had their codes cracked during the war and kept tabs on most of their messages I highly doubt something like the exterminations of 6 gorillion jews and the logisitics involved in that would go un noticed.
>you got one chance user
>not wanting to watch the one first video posted.
Maybe you dont know about this shit and a lot of other things because you are to lazy to even research the information that is spoon fed to you when you ask for it.
I'm not going to watch a fucking 40 minute random video that some random fucking person posts
If you're too lazy to give me a simple claim of yours then fine, keep indulging your Holocaust denial fantasies and I have no reason to believe they're anything other than fantasies
I didn't say i believe the holocaust or not, dont even think its relevant. Simple claim is in the simple vid... Ill sum it up for you since you are too lazy for it.
Guy does some math about cremating bodies.
Go look up how long it takes to cremate a body.
Auswitch had 52 ovens, they say around 1 million jews died in gas chambers and were cremated in these ovens.
You want me to do the math for you also? or can you go from here?
Why should I do any of it? I'm asking people to give me proof that the Holocaust didn't happen
If people don't want to tell me then fine, I'll believe that it did happen, since that's what every historical source that I read says
Okay, so maybe the Holocaust happened, but can we blame Hitler for it? Didn't Rudolph Hess receive orders for the gassing from Himmler? Wasn't Himmler a traitor?
Lurk more
Great cohencidence that the only death camps were discovered by the Soviets and all the camps the allies found were work camps huh
Cba to find it but search for that one historian that was disproving it and then got barred from entering the camps, his work and the cremation math are probably the best arguments against the holocaust.
>i think the numbers are lower than 6 million, perhaps 1 or 2 million.
Where's your evidence for this?
>No evidence Auschwitz or Bergen-Belsen were death camps
>No evidence Hitler approved the "final solution"
>No evidence for the "6 million" figure.
Can you give me some sources that make and justify these claims?
Wikipedia cites a number of books to justify its claim that about 6 million Jews were killed:
>Snyder 2010, p. 45. Further examples of this usage can be found in: Bauer 2002, Cesarani 2004, Dawidowicz 1981, Evans 2002, Gilbert 1986, Hilberg 1996, Longerich 2012, Phayer 2000, Zuccotti 1999.
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And don't say "(((Wikipedia)))" because that's not an argument.
For example that first book, Snyder 2010, claims that 5.7 million Jews were killed
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In fact I'm downloading that book now to see what it says.
So anyway there's some books that make the 6 million claim. Where is some evidence to suggest that these claims are erroneous?
>Great cohencidence that the only death camps were discovered by the Soviets and all the camps the allies found were work camps huh
Quite literally not an argument
>Cba to find it but search for that one historian
No. Again not an argument.
I'm not going to do your dirty work for you. If you can't present me with evidence then I'm not going to believe you. It's as simple as that.
The fact that a book says something is true is not evidence. I can't prove a negative. 6 million is the claim. Find out from them how they came to that figure.