Thread for discussion of Italian Fascism, and other forms of fascism, Mosley, Codreanu, Falange, etc. Also for sharing fascist literature and information.
A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested
Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"
Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction
Oswald Mosely Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera Benito Mussolini Adolf Hitler Stepan Bandera Corneliu Zelea Codreanu Salazar Ramiro Ledesma Ramos Ettore Ovazza Gaetano Mosca Friedrich Nietzsche Charles Maurras Enrico Corradini Filippo Tommaso Marinetti Johann Plenge Alceste De Ambris Gabriele d'Annunzio George Lincoln Rockwell Juan Perón Giovanni Gentile Julius Evola
Types of Fascism
Italian Falangism National-Syndicalism British Union National-Socialism Strasserism Meme futurism Clerical Fascism Brazilian Integralism Peronism
"[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly."~Oswald Mosely
>philosophic conception Fascism is thought and action. It is action with an inherent doctrine which, arising out of a given system of historic forces, is inserted in it and works on it from within. It has therefore a form co-related to the contingencies of time and place; but it has at the same time an ideal content which elevates it into a formula of truth in the higher region of the history of thought.
Jack Torres
>spiritual conception To Fascism the world is not this material world which appears on the surface, in which man is an individual separated from all other men, standing by himself and subject to a natural law which instinctively impels him to lead a life of momentary and egoistic pleasure. In Fascism man is an individual who is the nation and the country. He is this by a moral law which embraces and binds together individuals and generations in an established tradition and mission, a moral law which suppresses the instinct to lead a life confined to a brief cycle of pleasure in order, instead, to replace it within the orbit of duty in a superior conception of life, free from the limits of time and space a life in which the individual by self-abnegation and by the sacrifice of his particular interests, even by death, realises the entirely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists.
Camden Walker
>ethical conception This positive conception of life is evidently an ethical conception. And it comprises the whole reality as well as the human activity which domineers it. No action is to be removed from the moral sense; nothing is to be in the world that is divested of the importance which belongs to it in respect of moral aims. Life, therefore, as the Fascist conceives it, is serious, austere, religious; entirely balanced in a world sustained by the moral and responsible forces of the spirit. The Fascist disdains the "easy" life.
Luke Morales
>religious conception Fascism is a religious conception in which man is considered to be in the powerful grip of a superior law, with an objective will which transcends the particular individual and elevates him into a fully conscious member of a spiritual society. Anyone who has stopped short at the mere consideration of opportunism in the religious policy of the Fascist Regime, has failed to understand that Fascism, besides being a system of government, is also a system of thought.
Josiah Davis
Anyone with questions, feel free to ask them
Cameron Rodriguez
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Christian Torres
Did that one guy ever finish his fascist version of this graph? Whoever you are, thanks for working on that.
John Russell
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Blake Gomez
On the types of fascism could someone give me a line on each one describing its difference from the general core basis of fascism?
Thomas Harris
I dont recall, was he from the last thread?
Chase Allen
>yfw fashwave and /nsg/ will be the only fascist threads on Sup Forums that are active in any way >yfw they're just circlejerking over pictures
David Hughes
For starters, National Socialism Vs. Italian fascism
There is no racial or anti semetic policies inherent in Fascism, it uses a strictly corporatist economy without any socialistic aspects. National socialism uses a few socialistic aspects such as healthcare for the elderly and disabled, and has its strict racial and anti semetic policies. National socialism generally uses Corporatism yet with those socialistic influences.
Aaron Williams
Here in my threads pictures for the most part are just used in the beginning to bump, once discussion gets started its usually that way for the rest of thread.
Nathaniel Campbell
Here we only use them to bump the thread and gain attention, we have to use them if we want people to come to the thread and discuss fascism, they are not the main attraction.
Levi Rogers
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Adrian Parker
I'm fully aware, but I wasn't talking about /fsg/, I was mainly talking about /nsg/, which unfortunately became nothing more than a trade of rare hitler pictures. I was disappointed to see that the NatSocs were so unwilling to answer actual, genuine questions, both from myself and others new to the ideology.
Landon Rivera
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Brandon Gray
Ah yeah I remember it just became hitler and 3rd reich pictures sometimes. A shame thats mainly what it is now, I haven't had time to check out how they are in awhile. I usually try my best to answer to everyone in here.
Sebastian Wright
Hello I'm new to this general, would Pinochet be considered a fascist?
Liam Perez
No, perhaps a pseudo-fascist, but even if he applied the methods of fascism the core of his ideology was Neo-liberalism. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Boys
Robert Morgan
fuck off brown nazi hes a national hero
Elijah Morris
No, he used some fascist components such as authoritarianism and taking a staunch anti communist stance, but thats about it.
Jayden Lee
I am not denying that, all I said was that he can not strictly be considered a fascist. I like Pinochet.
Easton Clark
What are the most tasteful fascist groups in the US? Online talk is cheap, I'd rather sit in for a meeting or two.
Its the closest thing you'll get here in america, they hold meetings and such as you asked about though.
Connor Flores
What's the difference between Fascism and National Socialism and why do you think you're better
Jaxon Cooper
Refer to My personal take on fascism is mainly traditional, however I do believe moderate racial policies and anti semetic policies should be invoked.
Austin Cox
With regards to which one is better, there is no answer, the most important element of fascism is a strict adherence to national identity, and therefore, the version of fascism that every nation would potentially produce can be very different from others.
Samuel Clark
What form of Fascism do you think will be feasible in the current era?
I mean, NatSoc is obviously out of the game because of extreme prejudice against it (though maybe in a far future the possibility will exist). Clerical Fascism is highly unlikely because the Church lost pretty much all the power it had in the past. Same goes for Syndicalism. Is there any chance for a resurgence of Fascism nowadays?
Aiden Robinson
An user brought to me the idea last night, in order to avoid heavy slander and criticism we could call ourselves the corporatist or corporative movement. I personally believe the resurgence is already on the rise once again m8, the pendulum swings back. Just this time we have to make sure it doesn't swing back.
Lincoln Morgan
Again, I depends on the particular nation it refers to. I personally propose this variant, it takes elements from Mexico's current political system and can only be applied there.
David Wright
Why resort to fascism if ultra-conservatism+nationalism works such as the German Kaiserreich? I'm trying to understand why I'd be a fascist if I can just be an ethnonationalist
Connor Sanders
I have been thinking of this too. I thought that the term "sectorialism" was a good one, since corporate groups en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_group_(sociology) of the highest social order, second to the nation, can be called "social sectors" and my system is based on them (armed forces, workers, capitalist and intellectuals).
Charles Hall
Because those don't meet everything fascism is, fascism goes more than being an ideology. It becomes a lifestyle, a philosophy, a religious sense, a worldview. A steadfast ward constantly at the defence for its people against degeneracy.
Noah Parker
Ok that makes sense. But what was wrong with the lifestyle pre-1918?
Luke Thompson
Indeed, do whatever is best for your country. As much as I'd love to openly call our movement fascist if winning democratically is the goal we can't do that, not in this day and age.
Adam Stewart
Liberalism was rampant, its what led to the creation and explosion of fascism. Marxism was infecting Europe, and the conditions are what led to the ideologys birth. What we experience now, except on a global scale.
Eli Jackson
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Gabriel Bailey
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Sebastian Adams
I.. What? Its like he's redpilled but then he's not.
Gavin King
isn't facism just an oligarchy?
Hudson Wilson
Dude's delusional.
Ian Diaz
That's the average poster in these threads. Edgelord contrarians
Austin Sullivan
No
Noah Barnes
Quite the opposite, fascism aims to remove them.
Luke Howard
I'd certainly hope not, I think its quite hard to reach that level of autism.
Josiah Davis
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Kevin Cook
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Charles Sullivan
I wonder of the lot of you are just roleplaying because a lot of the economic policies are right in line with the Democrat party and Obama. Do you really support the high government regulation on business or even the sort of bailouts like Obama did with the auto, banking, and airline industries?
Andrew James
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Cooper Mitchell
Corporatism is different
>Fascism solves the problem of unemployment and poverty by establishing the Corporate State, which will be divided into National corporations governed by representatives of employers, workers and consumers, operating under Fascist government. The State will not attempt to conduct industry as it would under Socialism, instead, the State will lay down the limits within which industry' may operate, and those limits will be the national welfare. Private ownership will be permitted and encouraged, provided such activity enriches the nation as well as the individual. All interests that operate against the nation will be rigorously suppressed. The function of the Corporations will be to raise wages and salaries over the whole field of industry as science, rationalization and industrial technique increase the power to produce. Consumption will be adjusted to production and a Home Market will be provided by the higher purchasing power of our own people. Fascism involves a corporatist political system in which the economy was collectively managed by employers, workers and state officials by formal mechanisms at the national level. This non-elected form of state officializing of every interest into the state was professed to reduce the marginalization of singular interests (as would allegedly happen by the unilateral end condition inherent in the democratic voting process). Corporatism would instead better recognize or "incorporate" every divergent interest into the state organically, according to its supporters, thus being the inspiration for their use of the term totalitarian, perceivable to them as not meaning a coercive system but described distinctly as without coercion.
Jack Wright
The Democrat party and Obama subjugated the state to the corporations, we propose the opposite.
Landon Walker
Why do you think the government is better at running things instead of the free market?
Logan Turner
We used to have men of high calibre like Dr. William Pierce and Lincoln Rockwell. Now what do we have? We have LARPers, social rejects like NEETs and faggots like Richard Spencer. We have a few good men mixed in with this horde of degenerates. Something has to change. We need better men and men that are willing to risk everything. I don't think we've ever been in a more sadder and pitiful state as we are now.
Nathaniel Gray
Your """god""" (((hitler))) is dead and so are your ideals.
May f*scism die and remain dead.
Camden Jenkins
how is that different from communism?
Isaac Lopez
They're not essentially fully running the market, just performing regulations on these corporates to make sure their products will not be harmful to the people of the state. Another description
>NOW FOR THE LONG EXPLANATION Corporatism can be defined as a system of interest representation in which the constituent units are organized into a limited number of singular, compulsory, noncompetitive, hierarchically ordered and functionally differentiated categories, recognized or licensed (if not created) by the state and granted a deliberate representational monopoly within their respective categories in exchange for observing certain controls on their selection of leaders and articulation of demands and supports. Corporatism places the worker's guild within it while relatively retaining the autonomy of the workers and placing them in collaboration rather than conflict with their bosses. In forcing the workers and the bosses to cooperate and allowing the councils to represent themselves in arbitration via the labor courts, the class struggle is alleviated without the need for general strikes and demonstrations. Furthermore, the place of state becomes one of oversight, deciding for instance which goods are considered harmful to the nation and banning their production.
Carter Nelson
>Why do you think the government is better at running things instead of the free market?
That really is not the best way to put it, but, the fundamental reason is that the objective of the free market is merely the production of wealth, we believe that national interest and welfare are more important, with that said, the free market remains in fascism, and still determines much of the economical activity.
Bentley Ortiz
Did you even read the picture? It even makes comparisons how much it differs from communism, I dont recall private ownerships being encouraged in a communist state
Chase Price
He is important to German and European fascist, not so much to me. Your presupposition if flawed.
Caleb Lewis
(I didn't link)
Michael Butler
I encourage anyone who calls themselves a fascist to work on their physical health, you can't have a strong mind without a strong body.
Evan Myers
you honestly think private ownership wasn't encouraged in the soviet union?
Isaiah Edwards
No man is worshipped as a god in fascism, this movement is far from dead friend.
No, it wasn't. How could you honestly even think that? Marxism is against private ownerships.
Mason Rogers
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Colton James
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Gavin Hughes
Except Fascism lived on long after Hitler's demise. And people like you are actually a big help on its "resurrection" as you would call it, so please keep going, and, if I may, I strongly suggest you to join AntiFa, they're our greatest allies.
Jeremiah Diaz
>that said, the free market remains in fascism
I have no idea what this means
Liam Rivera
I don't think you fully understand the meaning of some of the words you use. This is gibberish to me.
>They're not essentially fully running the market, just performing regulations on these corporates to make sure their products will not be harmful to the people of the state. Another description
Corporatism is the government picking and choosing winners and losers in an otherwise free market, or in other words, government enforced monopolies. A real world example of this sort of economic policy would be how cable and phone companies operate in the US. It is a form of socialism because it controls or "centrally plans" the economy through regulation.
Nicholas Campbell
You are thinking of modern day Corporatism, or corporationism. If you read both descriptions I put you would've seen how it even distinguishes itself being separate from socialism.
Aaron Green
You will die just like Mussolini, fascists
Blake Rogers
>fasche literally a bundle of stucks
Cameron Myers
Boy am I scared
Landon Hernandez
Representing strength through unity
Grayson Nelson
More like, representing faggots. Boy I sure am scared of some faggots.
Adam Wright
post fascist qts
Nathaniel Davis
Pls move somewhere in Africa for your amazing anarchy, have fun with some of their lawless societies.
Kayden Hernandez
Why should I be a fascist? I just want a quiet life and don't have any hatred towards people
Wyatt Brown
and Pls follow your leader Mussolini
Liam Green
We can't do that user, we both know that "le global happiness and peace" can't come just with all of us "stopping being mean to each other!" The only way to reach true peace, we must go through violence. And with Fascism, you could live a quiet and happy life. Under the state the people's happiness comes from being surrounded by their people, everyone cares for one another and works to be the best he can be for his country and people.
Jaxson Gray
Well, no two fascist nations ever went to war with each other, so if you want peace...
Cameron White
I think a good way to describe it would be (and correct me if I'm wrong BlueDivision) that it is something like the Military Industrial Complex today. Privately owned companies competing in the free market, but also competing among each other to complete government contracts. There are rules in place to regulate them, for example they can't just sell military technology to foreign countries. The only thing I think would be different in a corporatist economy would be more oversight from the government, the government working with the unions (like Teddy Roosevelt did), and keeping the companies from buying politicians with their money. I might be a bit off the mark though.
Hudson Davis
You've got it pretty good, the government interferes only if there's a problem within the corporates, and to regulate them, making sure everything will be helpful or positive towards the state.
Jordan Bennett
I've been gone for quite awhile and I didn't think this general would last this long.
Put a smile on my face
Luis Parker
bump
Justin Harris
You can live a quiet life as long as you do not threaten the nation, people, and it's way of life. Also Fascism doesn't require you to hate anyone. It does however want you to be alert of those against you.
Adrian Scott
So Mosley was fine with women serving political office, though he did want to encourage women to stay out of the workforce for the most part. Thoughts?
Thomas Davis
Yup. He understood that women have a purpose in civilization. They raise the next generation. This doesn't mean some women shouldn't work. If a woman displays high intelligence in a feild of medicine, math, sciences, etc she should have the ability to pursue her career as her skills in these areas could benefit the populace. But as for the average woman her family sjould be her concern. Their is a beauty to motherhood that modern feminism has destroyed. The idea that fascists are misogynistic pigs who veiw women as nothing more than birthing machines is quite wrong. The British Union of Fascists had large support from Feminists/Suffragettes.
Levi Price
What gun is that?
I've never seen a shotgun like that
Nolan Sanders
Glad you agree. Feel like I get so much shit from Tradicals for saying that some women have more to offer than motherhood.
Joshua Garcia
Holy shit that's a lot of spelling errors
Another thought I have on the political office is that if a woman displays an adequate understanding of the political landscape and has raised her kids to an age where they don't have to fully rely on her (11-13) I see no problem with her involvement with politics as long as she bases her political veiws and actions off of facts not feelings. I feel that Mosley would have felt this way.
Jaxson Anderson
Yeppp, still using the same original starter template. Changed a few things up and added some other stuff in, where've you been? The discord has grown quite large and is continuing to grow, I've been posting the threads nearly every single night since we came up with the idea. If you remember ars, he's created some fantastic OC
