Communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.

>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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Communism is theft.

When you run out of shit to steal everyone starves to death.

According to the Black Book of Communism (1997), 85-100 million people died in the 20th Century due to Wars, Political Purges, and famine because of Communism.

> B-but Communism was never implemented perfectly!

Just because it's never been implemented perfectly doesn't mean we can't judge the results.

The most brilliant minds of several generations tried to make Communism work, and it was a total failure.

Get over it, bitch.

>muh death people
>muh fallacies

Why are people from countries who never experienced communism the most vocal compared to those from countris who did?

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A communist economic system would be characterized by advanced productive technology that enables material abundance, which in turn would enable the free distribution of most or all economic output and the holding of the means of producing this output in common. In this respect communism is differentiated from socialism, which, out of economic necessity, restricts access to articles of consumption and services based on one's contribution.

not even a single time

retarded ctr c and ctr v of fashwave, death to all commies

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>he still shitposts for his failed LARPing ideology
TOPKEK

Hi comrade, nice to see you again

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>Communism works!
>Yes but everyone is dead sir.
>We did it!

We all know you are shills. Why do you even bother?

CTR, Redditors, JIDF... What makes you think commies will prevail where all the other failed?

Kys faggot

Hi, how's your todays LARPing session gogin for you?

Hi, how's your todays LARPING session gogin for you?

/leftypol/ pls go back discuss degeneracy like bestiality or necrophilia.

8ch net /leftypol/res/1246878.html

>no u
Wow.. how creative. No wonder you cucks are just living failures.
>that quote
Ironically perfectly applies to communism. USSR was a tyranny every past it was a violent farce.

The Gulag Archipelago (Russian: Apхипeлaг ГУЛAГ, Arkhipelag GULAG) is a book by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn about the Soviet forced labor camp system. The three-volume book is a narrative relying on eyewitness testimony and primary research material, as well as the author's own experiences as a prisoner in a gulag labor camp. Written between 1958 and 1968, it was published in the West in 1973 and, thereafter, circulated in samizdat (underground publication) form in the Soviet Union until its appearance in the Russian literary journal, Novy Mir, in 1989, in which a third of the work was published over three issues

Ok comrade.

No one cares about your dead ideology,jsut post cute girls in uniforms,nazi or commie,like you always do.Pretty sure that's why everybody even bothers giving you (you)'s

Hi comrade, ideas always live while there are people who still hold them.

youtube.com/watch?v=yn3lB5RFbuM

did Hitler hate communism?

was Hitler a socialist?

newfag here

Yes.

No, he was a capitalist.

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i have much to learn

Yes, yes he did.

No, the Nazi party was capitalist.

a boo boo aba whe a boo boo

>Spanish guy is shilling for communism

Hmm.......................... Really makes you think

>be liberal neet artist
>run for president
>lose
>get in anyways
>buy first hot meal in forever

Sure sounds like a capitalist to me

What are you thinking comrade?

That's the spirit!

>eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
>b-b-but it's never been tried

fuck off retard

these ideas fail every single time, why do you think that is?

>commie general

nu-Sup Forums, everyone.

>confusing natsoc with marxist-leninist socialism
lmao

They don't know what it feels like to stand in line for bread rations during winter.

Never happened I bet, next you'll deny the Ukrainian genocide.

because a system of checks and balances needs to happen next time in order to protect revolutionary state from despotism.

Something we've learnt in first world countries.

Read the Gulag Archipelago, get knowledge from people who lived through Communism first-hand, not from collage students on the internet.

Daily reminder General Franco thinks you are a gay paki with spunk dribbling out your arse. You're welcome.

Apart from the fact that a First World country will have little to no support for a Communist revolution as they live in stability.

I will unironically slaughter a communist and feel nothing after it.

>massive debts
>influx of migrants
>rejection of european thought by liberals
>gap between rich and poor growing
>influence of Islam growing
>reduction of the middle classes
>social anxieties

The 2000's are ending my friend, this post-9/11 world is scary.

It's not like they're people otherwise they'd have morals. Forget the Kikes Cold War should never have ended

Fascism seems the most evident outcome of this situation. I'm pretty sure that no Western country will actually get leftist to defeat their internal crisis. People will just get angry, elect some crazy guy and then proceed to start fucking shit up.

That won't breed popular support for Communism, you're thinking Fascism but I'll forgive you as the two are essentially the same.

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Reminder that as an Anarchist you'll get the respect of the Communists right up until you're seen as a couple terms revolutionary 5 column and shit in the head.

This is a slide thread. Sage.

Yes fascism does seems like the more likely route, as it deals with these problems as social injustices rather than seeing the core problem to these issues - class.

Because the CIA broke them all.

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>Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class
Out of the countless examples of communism as its been tried, name one single instance in which there has been only one class- the working class. Just one instance.

there is none, because you cannot implement an impossibility. as long as you want order, there is a need for people to enforce this order. as soon as you elevate certain individuals in order to give them the means to enforce this order, you begin classifying the people. they may all be working, but they will not be one class, and this is true of every system, even anarchy, in which case the classes are implicit (leaders, followers, as determined by individual groups within the "society")

communism is impossible, and every attempt at implementing it has resulted in suffering on a grand scale, and you'd understand this if you werent some obese teenager from leftypol who thinks shitposting on Sup Forums will change our opinion.

wasnt trotsky killed by a communist? they sure do love theyre own

Name one single istance in wich Communism wasn't opposed by external fascist or capitalist forces.

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every single economic and political system has faced opposition, internal and external. that does not excuse its failings, nor does it justify the ubiquitous failure of communism and the immeasurable suffering it has caused.

some food for thought, tovarisch

Gerrara here Catalonia fag

I was a communist in till i watched this movie
I would recommend it to anybody especially to those who are communist

I feel that that argument stands only when we're (as in the Western front) not the guys breaking out those governments.
I mean, are you arguing that South American communist governments kept failing for the entirety of the last 60 years because they couldn't defend themselves from us?

I mean, you don't have to go to the third world to see blatant American interventionism. In the '70s and '80s the CIA started a terror campaign here in Italy (the ''Strategy of tension''), killing hundreds of people. They did that just to discredit our Communist Party, wich was the strongest one in Europe.
Should I really think that that is a failure of our Communist Party? Or maybe it is just blatant fascist interventionism (wich wasn't approved by the population in the first place)?

internationalism is cancer

Fascism does it better

good goy

>nationalism

Literally all of them were hardcore atheists.

Capitalism is objectively the most successful and prosperous economic system ever implemented.
The only people who believe in Communism are the kind of people who are neet/permenantly stuck in college losers who don't wanna work for things and expect the same lifestyle. Give me one good reason a brain surgeon should have to live the same lifestyle as a labourer.

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kill urself

But user jews are both a religion and an ethnicity :^)

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Im fascists but no one died from communism you retard.

idk why more people dont like socialism

we need to share everything, including our wives

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no, i was attacking the ideological basis for communism and pointing out how it is literally impossible to implement, due to the nature of human individuality. as long as there are individuals, there will be differences. as long as there are differences, certain people will outperform others at certain tasks. as long as this is the case, these people will naturally classify themselves into certain groupings, whether its follower vs. leader, politician and citizen, comrade and leader.

there is no grouping of people in which there are no class distinctions among individuals within these groups, it is literally impossible, and hence communism, which is entirely based on the idea of classlessness, is impossible. let me re-iterate, it is literally impossible to implement communism.

when you attempt to implement the impossible, when you attempt to deny and subjugate people for the sake of your ideology, you get holodomor, you get gulags, you get kz's, you get whatever the hell other travesties have occurred in the name of some untenable political ideology, which is pursued by people without due concern for morality and practicality.

as for "communist party" (which is inherently a misnomer, as the party itself has elevated privileges over that of the common people, the proles), whether its the bolsheviks abortion of a regime, and the gulags that followed, it was not truly communist as many people claim, but it was as close as any other society could become to communism. look what russia got for it, they reached for the sun with naught but ideology guiding them, and whether it was by neglect the people starved, or by ill-will the people were killed, it brought russia suffering, nothing else.

this is true of every other shit attempt at a communist society, regardless of nation or the people, the only difference in the end is the zealousness which the ideologues pursue their impossible beliefs, and the resulting scale of suffering that occurs.

Hang yourselves

unironic shitposting is still shitposting

Honestly if you are more afraid of communism than capitalism today then you are a cuck. It's the capitalists that have power not communists. Communism is anarchy. Socialism is a means to anarchy. Big government is not the ideal end of them. Just like libertarianism does not seek big government as their ideal end.

Anti-statists need to fuck off.

Communism is a primitive system that made sense when the means of production were too costly for individuals. The world has changed. We don't have to share means of production because every man can get his own set.

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>not knowing what communism's ideal

Gomunism, not even once.

read this you edgy dickhead

please tell me which twist of communism is you favority?

>Not realizing SJW "liberals" are actually Cultural Marxists focusing on race and gender instead of class.

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I'm not a commie.
Communism is anarchy. Communism can never achieve its dream without leaders. And the leaders end up ruined communism because it creates hierarchy.
Implying communism has killed anyone imo,it's that it was achievable and it's not. Don't give commies the upper hand.

>cultural marxists

What the fuck does that mean and what does it has to do with communism

It's cultural capitalism.

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>Daily reminder that there has never been a successful communist society

Marxism: The proletariat will over throw the evil privileged bourgeoise.

Cultural Marxism: Women and minority's will over throw the evil privileged straight white males.

Same shit different asshole.

Also Marx was an idiot

so we shouldnt say the ussr, china, etc tried to implement communism, what do you want us to say, that it tried to imply capitalim (not true) or socialism?

>and pointing out how it is literally impossible to implement, due to the nature of human individuality
For most of our history we lived in communes. Cooperation and a strong community was the standard for virtually every community ever until 10000 years ago stronger power structures began forming.
Are yous ure that you can argue that what is proposed by our current society is actual human nature, even if humans that were technically genetially indistinguible from us lived in a completly different way, so consitently thorough history? Why shouldn't I treat this modern notion of human nature as a degeneration of our society?
>as long as there are differences, certain people will outperform others at certain tasks.
Again, you're talking about egualitarianism. Under communism ships have captains, stating the opposite would be ridicolous.

>whether its follower vs. leader, politician and citizen, comrade and leader.
In socialism you need those figures. What doesn't happen is that that leader won't be able to steal what you produce, justifying the theft with arbitary, oppressve laws and principles.
Factories will still need CEOs, and they will be paid according to what they produce.
>you get holodomor, you get gulags, you get kz's, you get whatever the hell other travesties
Wich are not inherent to Communism. We have seen all of those atrocities in our society too, it just happens far from where we live, but we're still fully resposible for it. There are many factors to account in the USSR history, but many of them are not inherent to the ideology itself. For example Gulags were used extensively under the Czar, before they got seized by the Bolsheviks. Is that cause of communism?

Again, try to make a clear distinction between Egalitarianism and Socialism/Communism. It's like making a distinction between a cringy leftist tumblr post and Marx.

Same old leftybeaner
You literally have no argument to justify communism.
All you have are shitty memes you stole from /lit/ and in a little bit you'll get even more btfo go back to your circle jerk and say "great job guise hurrr!" You are truly the most pathetic raid attempt I've ever seen. Not much to expect from a commie though