Ocean Exploration

Why are we not exploring the oceans and mining the resources down there?

For what purpose?

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still cheaper to get it from dry land, except for oil

Why would they waste the money? There is nothing down here and all the resources would be to expensive to mine in the first place.

Fund Space travel instead

>space travel

Is it possible to build a space elevator today?

Yes:

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The key idea is the Orbital Ring version of the space elevator, not the geosynchronous tether concept you are familiar with.

See, for example, Paul Birch's writings:

orionsarm.com/fm_store/OrbitalRings-I.pdf

The orbital ring only requires tethers about 300 kilometers long which is technically feasible with common material like steel, but ridiculously straightforward with better and already available material like kevlar.

There are some important questions. First, how much would it cost to do something like this?

We need to send about 160 million kilograms of material into space (See Birch's boot strap estimates in part 2: orionsarm.com/fm_store/OrbitalRings-II.pdf)

We have rockets available at $2000/kg costs to LEO today in "mass production" mode, which is only about 10-20 launches per year. Compared with the couple thousand launches necessary for a space elevator, $2000 is an unreasonably high upper bound for launch costs.

We also need to include the cost of materials. A space elevator is about 98% steel and aluminum, 1% kevlar, and 1% other such as superconducting magnets. Most of the mass (98%) cost around $1/kg, with an average cost per kilogram of no more than about $10 per kilogram.

Summing the above up, we get about $430 billion in launch costs plus another $1-2 billion in material costs.

In other words, we can have a space elevator for less than $450 billion - significantly less than one year worth of DoD spending, one bank bailout, many times less than a variety of pointless wars, etc. This is well within our reach financially in other words.

There is nothing down here anyway.

What do we get in return for this $450 billion investment?

Virtually unlimited value. For example, with a space elevator we can reliably launch our nuclear waste into the sun. We've spent $100 billion building a waste repository in Nevada, but it was ultimately decided not to even use it. Now it costs only a dollar or two per kilogram to get rid of all of the nuclear waste in the world.

Second, we have immediate access to viable asteroid mining industry. Because the cost of delivering payloads to LEO drops to about $1/kilogram, we can not retrieve asteroids with trillions of dollars worth of minerals for mere tens millions of dollars in addition to having an easy viable way of returning those resources back to the surface.

We acquire the ability to deploy profitable solar power in orbit above cloud cover and with the ability to return said power back to the surface with near zero loss by running power transmission cables down the elevator.

Just how profitable?

With increased luminosity in space, enhanced exposure time, and the ability to deliver base loads, solar panels pay for themselves in only 1-2 years while having a 20 year life time.

In other words, if you put $5 trillion of solar panels into space, you get your $5 trillion back by the end of year two and a $5 trillion income stream each year thereafter.

In other words, the US could cut everyone's taxes, both personal and business, income, capital, death, or otherwise, all to 0%, not even cut any benefits or current spending, and pay off the national debt within a decade.

It should already be obvious that the entirety of the political debate spectrum is cointelpro.

Are taxes too high or too low? Irrelevant, we don't actually need taxes.

Is social spending bankrupting us? Irrelevant, we can retire the national debt without cutting spending all while having no tax whatsoever.

What does this have to do with taking the red pill?

We've had the technological ability to undertake such a project for decades.

That means all the squabbling you have heard your entire life, money, debt, spending, taxes, scarcity, whatever, is all bullshit. Not only is it bullshit, anyone with rudimentary knowledge of the world has known that it is all bullshit for all of this time.

In other words, once you come to understand the such a project is and has been technically feasible for decades, you have to reevaluate many things.

Why is there nothing of this in the conspiracy media? They are not really trying to expose or solve any problems. One hundred percent of it is cointelpro. From the Young Turks to Infowars or whatever, they are all completely full of shit because solutions to our problems not only exist, are easy to carry out, but this has been the case for a very long time.

I do like the sound of that, but why not use the resources here on earth instead?

there is nothing here, shoo human, to the surface with you

It's expensive.

because the places we haven't tapped into yet are almost as expensive to reach as going to fucking space.

>down here

t. Cthulhu

Shit's spoopy that's why

Anyone got the /x/ pic about the guy with deep sea work stories?

Praise kek

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Sounds good to me.

I wonder how long it would take to build this ring version of the space elevator.

It wouldn't take more than about two years to complete.

We need to construct and launch about 4,000 rockets in total.

In terms of launching, we already have two dozen plus functional launch facilities around the world. Running full steam at about one launch every other day, that is less than a year of rocket launches to get 4,000 into the air.

That leaves only the question of whether you can ramp up to the rate of construction of rockets of 10 per day within a year, a pretty simple task.

Rocket production really only requires warehouses to do it in (of which there are plenty empty, but many more can be built in a matter of months), plus the skilled labor. There are no resource bottle necks like fuel - it is easy to produce ample liquid oxygen / kerosene, etc.

TL;DR essentially all you have to do is take the existing rocket production skilled labor, use them to train more of themselves, then set them all to work double time for a few months. There is nothing particularly complicated about acquiring a space elevator or any major obstacle in the way other than an evil regime not interested in mankind's progress.

problem is if the government does it, like anything else the government does will be way over budget their incompetence will inflate the budget from 450b to at least 2000b and the entire project will be plagued by problems like every other socialists project
also the US doesnt have any territory near the equator so that wouldnt help the government get such a return on investment

call of cthulu'd

too expensive for the pay off
demand for resources, especially mineral resources has collapsed since 08

>1% other such as superconducting magnet
isn't this kind of a big deal?

Is there an evil regime opposing proposals like these?

No, this creature hasn't adapted to the crushing pressure. It was created this way and always lived here.
Evolution is a lie.

>you will never live in a real life Rapture

Why even live

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chaotic but the digits!

Yes. It would need a pretty much constant supply of liquid nitrogen or similar coolant to stay superconductive.

But maybe you could have the wires be non-superconductive when it's not in use ie 99% of the time and cool them when needed. Maybe it could be economically feasible then. But I doubt it, that's a lot of wire to cool

And Mohammed is his prophet

Even at 2000B, the project is worthwhile.

Retrieval of a single asteroid can pay for a project cost of trillions of dollars. There is no argument against it on a cost basis.

As to your lolbertardian objections, anyone with the most basic of history knows you are flatly wrong. The original majority middle class generated in US society is a direct outgrowth of road building, canal building, electrification programs, and so on, that created the most efficient economic engine mankind has ever known. This is simply an extension of what we already know works.

Finally, territory over the equator is unnecessary (but easily conquered if we wanted it) because orbital rings can be built at any inclination. It works perfectly fine running over the north and south poles.

No, such technology is already mature.