Communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.

>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

Other urls found in this thread:

youtube.com/watch?v=YqX7umXVNDQ
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War
youtube.com/watch?v=8LW6y-kgKtA
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

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The nice men from the gas company will be stopping by shortly.

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Why do you keep coming? Your daily thread is a failure. Your friends have abandonned you. Everyone here despises you. You deliver your message and everyone spites on you.

Do you cry at night? Knowing that your daily thread has died and you'll have to post it again?

What is your purpose? To be mocked at? Do you enjoy it? This place will never change its mind. YOU will change first, if you haven't already.

kek make my waifu real

Hello Sup Forums, Sup Forumsentooman here. I only came here to say this: FUCK COMMUNISM.
Also fuck GNU, i want money for my work.

Oh I remember you comrade.

Install Gentoo or else.

That i don't want to give away my stuff for free doesn't mean that i don't use theirs for free. :^)

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I enjoy my profits, problem m8? :^)

Post some Zizek
He's the only good thing left in your movement

What the fuck did you just said comrade?

Day of the helicopter ride when?

youtube.com/watch?v=YqX7umXVNDQ

you keep trying to make this general happen despite that fact that it keeps failing

really activates my almonds

Hi comrade, always nice to have you here

>China once was the greatest empires to have ever existed, even better than the Roman empire
>Its great and innovative military strategies ensured its victories over often far stronger opponents
>Had several golden ages where European countries only had one
>Great age of poetry and the development of the art of calligraphy
>Singlehandedly created proto-economic systems for free-market Capitalism and even Socialism before both were even a thing
>Survives several eras of fracturing power and horrible civil wars to unite China under one banner
>Mao rises to power using Communism as a way to re-establish Emperor rule in China
>Is supposed to move from Socialism to Communism but as usual in the Socialism phase starts a dictatorship instead
>Kills millions and millions of Chinese, not a single dictator in human history killed more people than this man
>People today still want to give Communism a go and are dead serious about establishing this kind of rule and subjecting their fellow countrymen to this dictatorship

That i enjoy making profit from my work, i like my money, don't you like yours?
Aww.. wait, you probably have none.

If you don't privately own means of production then I'm alright with you.

>When your ancestors beat the Spanish back so hard their descendants want to attempt Socialism

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KEK HAS SPOKEN

You say it like it's a bad thing comrade.

It's always you, the same Spanish tardlet who starts these threads. Why?

It has to work eventually. Just give it another try

It's a private company.

What? I'm comfy here with you comrades, we are learning about Marx and Lenin together.

Cause muh raiding Sup Forums and gloating about it on leftard forums
Just slide the fucking thread already
All that attention whoring is somehow flattering tho
But duty first

I see, well, the socialist states takes it.

Literal autism.
Go do something more productive with your time instead of shilling your failed 20th century ideology. No one's going to give you a medal for it.

Why is this fucking Spaniard making a communist thread literally everyday? Communism never has worked and never will work, faggot

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But it does work.

I still dont understand why the Commies hate America so much, my friend literally wants to see America destroyed and would be fine with that.

>Attempting orthodox Socialism
>2017
Imagine if I dug up Karl Marx and told him not to learn anything from the world today but to just go for it and attempt his ideas as they were written, what do you think Karl Marx would say?

If Marx would be alive today, I'm pretty sure he would like me more than he would like you for being such an idealogocial partisan.

No it doesn't. There are no historic examples of communism working. Stop being a retard.

>he thinks his petty little daydream will become reality

inb4 he mentions Yugoslavia, Catalonia or one of those retarded little Islands that are in American ownership.

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Well it does allow you to commit genocide and somehow maintain a moral high ground so I guess you could call that "working".

Should institute Communism across Sub Saharan Africa so we can drastically reduce the population to manageable levels and still be considered good guys.

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Having fun, retard?
Must be tough living in a country with 50% of youth unemployment
Leaves one a lot of time to waste dreaming of childish ideologies
Did you already report how hard you BTFO'd us all with your dank communist memes on the little circlejerk forum you come from?

The moor blood is strong in this one

African Communism was horrible, I wouldn't wish that on my worst on my worst enemy

What? Did someone say KANGZ?!?!

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COMMUNISM = MURDER

There are no historic examples of fascism working out either, but some Sup Forumsacks will still try to advocate for it

True but the African population is getting out of hand and history has shown that nothing culls the herd quite like Communism

Plus after you are done killing people you are still regarded as a hero in global society, even if you reduce your nation to to a radioactive mass grave where fish crawl out of the rivers and scream at you for being a dumb faggot

>Girlfrien's mom tallks about the horrors of Yugo Socialism from time to time
>Cant believe there are Socialist parties within Western Europe

communist should be met with violence where ever they gather in the US

Requesting communist/socialist/left-wing Pepes.

witnessed

Wrong, every fascist society came about during periods of absolute economic recession, and all of them restored their countries economies and to greater or lesser degrees flourished.

To say fascism didn't work out is a misnomer, because after WWII fascist the only fascist societies were made into democracies

>I still dont understand why the Commies hate America so much, my friend literally wants to see America destroyed and would be fine with that.
>constant leftist suppression
>constant coups of leftist and commie governments
>interventionist wars for oil, drone strikes on foreign soil
>CIA doing fucking anything
>constant capitalwashing of history
GEE, WHY WOULDN'T COMMIES LIKE USA?

I dunno m8

Wilson gave Russia to the Bolsheviks, George Marshall and Truman gave China to Mao, and Eisenhower handed Cuba to Castro on a silver platter.

America seems like a pretty communist country to me.

shut the fuck up leaf and kill yourself.

>Wilson gave Russia to the Bolsheviks
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War

>George Marshall and Truman gave China to Mao,
>pushing for WW3 before dust of WW2 even settles

>Eisenhower handed Cuba to Castro on a silver platter.
In 1959. Castro admitted to be a commie in 1961. :^)

The working class doesn't want anything to do with your misguided ideology. They'd much rather rise above this petty class warfare and embrace a fascist state, fighting for ideals beyond base materialism.

Communism:
>has never existed, despite multiple attempts
>every attempt leads to mass starvation of their own people
>is easily subverted through other ideologies
>solves no problems that other ideologies don't already solve better
>no clear solution to fix constant failures
>claims human nature either doesn't exist, or is easy to change
>fixes none of the cultural issues that would derive from total automation of industry

Fascism:
>no two fascist nations have ever gone to war with each other
>fascism has never had a mass starvation problem
>fascism has actually existed, and it fixes all the problems communism seeks to solve
>early fascist failures are easily solved by reducing aggression and warmongering, as shown by other successful fascist nations
>utilizes human nature by designing a system meant to take advantage of it
>fixes all of the cultural issues that would derive from total automation of industry


youtube.com/watch?v=8LW6y-kgKtA

Dude, Marshall pushed for and got an arms embargo on Chiang, in an attempt to appease Mao. Strangely, Mao didn't much return the favor, and proceeded to annihilate the nationalists.

Wilson led the White movement to their certain death, and abandoned them at the final moment, threatening the French and British to also withdraw with the war loans they owed America. This assured the Bolshevik's victory.

Castro of course never called it a communist revolution until after the fact. In fact, Che Guevara hated the Soviets. After Eisenhower put an arms embargo on the Batista regime, ensuring Castro's victory, Castro returned the favor by nationalizing all the US assets in Cuba without recompense. So of course they had to get help from the soviet union to survive after that; America sure as well wasn't going to help them, and the embargo was eventually extended to cover everything.

The final red pill is to realize that America is a communist country. Communism is as American as apple pie.

Eat shit and kill yourself cuck faggot retard

>Communism is as American as apple pie.
Well, of course, everybody has commie potential. The issue is that you need a government to properly reflect that. Not enough Wall Street executives dangling off nooses.

How would you organize government so only "workers" would be able to govern?

>Not enough Wall Street executives dangling off nooses.
So that they can be replaced with a corrupt nomenkaltura that serves the same purpose? What's the point? Better yet, what's the difference? In the real world, the communism that results may not be the communism you want, but it's always the communism you end up with.

Damn autists, every one

>employee ownership
>commies don't understand the simple meaning of this
It means that not the state, but private entities will own businesses and public goods.
The state will be highly privatized and only crucial parts will remain under government control.
This is how every relationship between state and economy should be. The state shall protect, not to restrict.

By eliminating the bourgeois, of course. Reorganize businesses into co-ops, get rid of stock trading and nationalize the economy sectors that do not belong on the market (banking, energy, healthcare, etc.) Seize land from absentee land owners, etc.

Then who runs the "co-ops?" The state? Surely whoever manages the affairs of these various industries (some of which are very large) would require a lot of effort to keep running, and skills that not all workers have. Do you cross your fingers and hope the workers atleast have some inking of what they are doing?

The workers in a direct democracy.

>Do you cross your fingers and hope the workers atleast have some inking of what they are doing?
Of course not, you shove as much education down their throats as possible. Same as democracy.

Speaking of which, free post-secondary education, and fucking tear the researchers away from classrooms. The current post-secondary system is a shitshow.

And streamline the entire process. You leave people to their own devices and you end up with high-schools that don't prepare for university, and universities that don't prepare for the job market. Any and all successes are made in spite of the current system, not because of it.

The 'bourgeois' don't exist anymore, at least not in the form presented in Capital. When will you Stalinists learn

What if the workers don't want your communism?

>the people that own the factories and land don't exist anymore
>stockholders don't exist anymore
What?

So everything is essentially a democracy?

I made this story up before because I work in healthcare and this strikes pretty close to home for me. I have a nurse I work with that is a bit of a cunt but she does excellent work. I notice when she isn't around because she picks up so much slack herself from others. Some other nurses however don't like her, because she's supposedly two-faced to patients and blah blah blah drama drama drama. She does the job well. Would she get sacked in a communist utopia because the other nurses hate working with her, despite her doing a great job with me and making my life easier?.

And what if the workers don't want education? Are you going to expect every nurse and every respiratory therapist and every janitor and every cafeteria employee to understand the machinations of how hospital finances are run, so that we can take a vote on how the hospital spends its budget?

Class traitors are still traitors.

I see. Well, enjoy never having communism then.

Are you legitimately autistic commie Spain? You keep posting here and I think you just like the negative attention because it's the only attention you get.

Healthcare is not supposed to be a for-profit enterprise. It's not supposed to be on the market. Government-run industries would be organized differently.

LICK THE BOOT

OF YOUR CORPORATE

Daily reminder that primitive communism never existed and this undermines the central basis for Marx' theories.

Daily reminder that this same autist from Spain is just trying to justify his welfare based income.

OVERLORDS AND MASTERS

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>Government-run industries would be organized differently.

Well? Then how would they be organized? You can't advocate for a system if you yourself have no idea how it's going to be run, and I have a feeling you have a gross over-simplified vision in your head about how industries are run, especially healthcare, which is a maze of management and regulations.

>Human nature is a meme!
>Every attempt at communism was ruined by greed!

Kill yourselves you subhuman idiots.

>Fascism leads to increased wages
This is bad why?

>Fascism leads to booming economic growth
This is bad why?

So, basically, fascism is the best ideology out there, is that what you're saying?

>wages got reduced then barely increased
>while the rich got richer
lmao, you're a cretin

>wages get reduced
>fascism is implemented
>wages increase
>unemployment decreases
>economy grows

Sounds like a solid success to me, user.

I never understood people who want more government in their life. Seems like they are content being slaves with a mediocre life. I'd rather have people be poor and have a chance to improve their life than everybody be mediocre. I also don't understand communists who care more about the international plight of the workers more than their own people, it strikes me as treason.

>wages stagnate
>fascism is implemented
>wages decrease
>right to strike abolished
>only the rich get to see any of the economic growth
>the common shrubs get to freeze to death in Russia
>success
>he fell for the jewdeepee and economic growth maymay
You are incredibly naive.