I watched this movie today and holy shit. The whole time they subtly, sometimes blatantly, argue for a homogeneous society. Keep your race safe from other races but not necessarily be enemies with them.
Is that what the book is about? or is Peter Jackson redpilled? I don't know anything about this LOTR series.
the hobbits are the gay community, the elves are too. the dwarves are the pesky irish and the orcs are just niggers, sauron is a basketball player
J.R.R Tolkien hated the Jews.
everyone did back then.
kek
>Peter Jackson
It was written by Tolkien, kid. At its heart it's about friends in time of war, based on Tolkien's own experience.
But it also had a great message about different races embracing their differences, as well as being tested by some of those differences, while working together against a common enemy, not trying to ignore or eliminate their differences and live together 24/7, which would only end in ruin.
At the end, everyone goes back to their homes and their peoples. Of course they will visit each other in the future from time to time, maybe even have a reunion feast here and there. But their respective people are their people, and their homes their homes.
so you're saying it's about homogeneity, basically.
absolutely a based movie. an enormous technical achievement and one of the greatest film masterpieces of all time.
>everyone did back then.
not nearly enough apparently
tfw when there will probably never be a fantasy trilogy as good as this.
fpbp
> 12 year old
> hasn't read Foundation Trilogy
Here's a $20. Go buy an Asimov book.
Probably why liberal professors don't like discussing it.
And it's not because it's fantasy because they are more than happy to discuss Harry Potter.
The main story arch is the Saturnian cult.
It's not about homogeneity in the slightest. There are societies in the movie that are homogeneous and wish to stay that way, but that's not a theme of the story nor is it critical to the plot.
Everyone did
>gene roddenberry ironcly
>Walt Disney
>Tolkien
>Peter Jackson redpilled
Read Tolkien already you bloody cunt
And yes LotR is redpilled as fuck
Should be mandatory reading for every fucking 10yo boy and I'm dead serious
>film
There a reason it's not talked about in schools anymore
The strength of friends against all odds and the brown hordes
hated or were wise to (((their))) ways?
Tolkien fought in WWI. Most of you young faggots should learn about it.
Also he hated (Jews)
Most people did.
It's not a recurring motif or anything like that in Tolkien's works, it's just an extension of the world he lived in at that time. Looking back at it the notion seems quaint, but that's really how the world was back then.
Serious answer:
The books are about Christianity, particularly Christian pacifism.
The movies aren't about anything.
>also he hated jews
Did he?
>hated Jews
>based dwarf language on Hebrew
>had Jewish friends
What did Sup Forums mean by this?
This
Tolkien didn't want his books to be taken out of context or to be used as an analogy.
His books meant exactly what they said. There is no hidden message or motives behind them.
Stop ruining this master piece with your autism.
The main theme is not that of a homogeneous society (though those are present), but how power corrupts good men, i.e Boromir, smeagal, the ring wraiths etc.
Was Saruman the master jew? Using the niggorks and jewgoblins to attack Rohan while safe in his tower? Also I like how the Easterlings are proper crazed ragheads and have bones through theur noses and sheit.
No way would this movie ever get greenlight in current year
Why did he write in some random man's son to kill the dragon?
The books aren't specifially about anything either you sperglord. Tolkien went to great lengths to outline that his story has no overarching meaning or symbolism in relation to the real world or any social issues.
And even if you want to start hard core analyzing the themes of the book, the heroes of the story wage a fucking crusade to win the day, which is NOT christian pacifism.
>everyone did back then
Are you implying everybody doesn't hate jews still? Next time somebody pisses you off call them a jew. They'll get offended. Says all you need to know.
Tolkien lived aboit 40 minutes drive from me. The two towers were based on two cooling towers he could see in the distance of his house in walsall. He took that as a sign of encroaching industrialisation.
Tolkien was a eugenicist, and a racialist. LOTR is social commentary on immigration to middle england (middle earth). The Shire represents Gloucestershire and leciestershire.
"They came from the east and they had black faces". Basically immigration is awful and transforms that which is beautiful into ugliness. Thank god I moved to the countryside.
You do know, it's not like he has other fucking writings about the jews himself without indirect but direct meaning and calling them out, he even said the dwarves are close to the jews for their greed.
The way (((Hollywood))) is digging for ideas, its just a matter of time.
Better to read the books ahead of time and appreciate them before they're totally cucked for movie format.
>#themuledidnothingwrong.
Sauron is obv a representation of Saturn.
Should really make you think.
> he even said the dwarves are close to the jews for their greed.
Really faggot I'd love to see you post a source for the shit coming out of your stupid face right now. Oh wait you can't because you're making shit up
Yes. Tolkien associates evil with power, this is a central theme in his writings.
Yes it would, because even in the current year Tolkien is too powerful a master for SJW hordes to shut him down. Notice how he's being ignored in school, as opposed to actively smeared like say, Lovecraft. He's beyond their reach. A systemic attack would backfire.
Tolkien was generally against rampant industrialisation and humanity playing God (much of his stories about humans are about them trying to extend their natural lifespan because of a fear of death, even though mortality was a gift given to them by God). It's more or less about the nature of evil in a catholic sense (a parasite on good) and how the greatest good can be accomplished by the smallest person. The meek succeed where the strong fail. It's a mix of Christian symbolism, Merry old England ideals and turn of the century nationalism.
Privately Tolkien hated ideologies like nazism because he felt it "misapplied and perverted" the "northern spirit" that Tolkien admired (willing sacrifice for the greater good, and the ability to fight on even when faced with almost certain death, like Ragnarök). But he also sided with the Spanish fascist during the Spanish civil war (mostly because the communists raped nuns and destroyed churches). In general though he disliked politics and even the entire idea of ruling other humans (being a soldier during WWI probably made him distrust people of authority).
>Dwarves
>Live underground
>Obsessed with gold
>Ugly bodies and faces
>Women have beards
>Giant noses
Sounds about right for them to be jews.
The Dwarves are supposed to be kikes, right?
>big noses
>greedy as fuck
>implying that depiction of Dwarves appeared with Tolkien
Jeez, them Jew-obsessed autists
Asimov was a Jew sympathizer and a marxist
It's common knowledge Dwarves in Tolkein's work were heavily inspired by the Jewish people. Learn something, faggot. Their written system was based on Norse runes, but their speech and accents were inspired by Jewish people.
The dwarves are a displaced scattered people searching for a new homeland by the time either The Hobbit or LotR takes place. They were forced out of their ancestral homeland (Kazad Dum/Moria) by invaders and have either been trying to reclaim it or find a new place to settle ever since.
The greed and wealth comparison and talent for crafts and jewels analog is there to. Lift one finger to do a little literary research and you'll find plenty of this.
It's clearly about how white people are awesome and every other race is dogshit.
>Really faggot I'd love to see you post a source
academia.edu
Idiot
men; whites
elves; asians
dwarves; jews
orcs; blacks
hobbits; hispanics? homeless? gypsies?
This leaf gets it
>Peter Jackson redpilled
It's all Tolkien you fucking 12yo faggot.
I always though the Hobbits were whites as well but just working class whites or farmers.
>It's not a source from Tolkien, but rather what an academic published to fulfill their quota of new interpretations
user...
>your work gets warped by a bunch of artists who completely ignore your personality, religion, and hatred for allegory
>It's common knowledge Dwarves in Tolkein's work were heavily inspired by the Jewish people
WHOA there buddy you seem to have gonna off the retard railroad and are entering completely fucking off your rocker territory.
> he even said the dwarves are close to the jews for their greed.
How did we go from Tolkien himself explicitly stating that your tin-foil jewspiracy is true to it just being common knowledge?
HERE I'll just explain what the fuck is going on:
First you set it up with the classic fallacy, the appeal to authority, in which you invoke Tolkien as the source of the jew/dwarf connection, claiming the author specifically confirmed the connection himself.
After getting called out on that obviously made up bullshit, you switched over to the ad populum fallacy. No kids that isn't elvish, it's latin. And what it means is you're not appealing to the idea that the majority thinks a certain thing, thus making it true.
>It's common knowledge
Oh shit, it's common knowledge, I'm out numbered, I guess every retarded ass thing that follow that statement must be true, right?
Why don't you try using that grey matter between your ears to produce a salient thought instead of regurgitating whatever stupid shit someone else has put in there.
Fucking leaf. Asimov's was a damn commie and a shit writer. Day of the rake can't come soon enough you dumb commie canuck.
retard alert
Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a burger and a leaf...
Thanks
The hobbits were the brits
>not reading it
second paragraph, retards
>literally a commie kike
kys
Jesus christ op read them, they are basically the most impactful and awesome works of art of our age. It does give you a lot of perspective on the world.
funny when you apply this to the character Thorin.
He goes crazy and turns on almost everyone the moment he gets his homeland and wealth back.
>Their written system was based on Norse runes, but their speech and accents were inspired by Jewish people.
I'd like to point out that Tolkien did not design a language for the Dwarves like he did for the Elves with queyna and sindarin. There's no syntax, accents, or anything like that, just some proper nouns, so maybe you should shut your stupid fucking face.
> Learn something, faggot.
Yeah good advice.
another site with the same quote
tolkiengateway.net
>Tolkien himself compared Dwarves to Jews:
""The dwarves of course are quite obviously - wouldn't you say that in many ways they remind you of the Jews? Their words are Semitic obviously, constructed to be Semitic.""
A few flaws.
>Elrond was a halfblooded elf.
>Elves of mixed heritage get to choose if they want to be mortal like humans, or immortal like elves.
>Tolkien's dwarves were based on the jews. All this shit about silly drunken Scots is Peej fumbling for comic relief and going to the standby that Americans find Irish and Scottish people funny. Also D&D
>Dunedain people, the race of Aragorn and other badass humans, are elf-touched humans who as a result live far longer, and are far stronger than pure human.
Also,
>Merry and Pippin go live among the treefolk, drink their jizz, and become culturally enriched with height far beyond their manlet neighbors.
I'm not reading anything redpilly here.
let's not forget the hobbit helped him out of his own will, yet the dwarf forces him to go in for one assured suicide against the dragon just for his wealth. ''Never trust a jew''
LOTR and the Silmarillion are Catholic. More than anything else and before anything else. They are probably the most deeply religious fiction of the last hundred years.
This is the point most people miss, I think.
>gene roddenberry hated Jews
>hired a couple of Jews to be the stars of his seminal work
Really? I have trouble habeebing
>12 year old
>Hasn't read The Book of the New Sun
Here's $20. Go buy some Gene Wolfe
That's not true. The book was NOT n allegory for ww2, which many people took it to be. LOTR is just a story that takes place in his world, but his world is deeply Christian (Catholic).
and yet it's so deeply pagan
>he hasn't read the Silmarillion
Come back when you're not underage
>They are probably the most deeply religious fiction of the last hundred years.
CS Lewis was his contemporary, so I disagree.
Elves and men are both favored by God" so I see nothing wrong with half elvish half man breeds. But. Men>Elves
PAGAN ISNT A RELIGION REEEEEE YOU STUPID SHITSKIN
Lewis' fiction was more straightforward and clumsy, IMO. He was a better writer, but Tolkien was a better theologian.
>They are probably the most deeply religious fiction of the last hundred years.
That's a bold claim. Even just from the genre of young adult fantasy, The Chronicles of Narnia strikes me as more deeply religious; it's certainly far more overt in its analogy.
And what about fiction that is just straight-up an examination of the church, like The Name of the Rose?
I think you're heavily overstating how much of a Catholic theme runs through Tolkien.
The numenoreans aren't "elf-touched." The valar granted earendil's descendants long life and a sick island because he was instrumental in saving the fucking world.
Also you're wrong on a few other points, let me elabor-
>muh redpill
Never mind you're a fucking mongoloid.
>tfw lord of the rings irl
It's very much a 20th century take on the Germanic legends from the time in which the conversion to Christianity began. I'd say it's much more Christian than pagan.
pic unrelated
>explicitly responding to OP's statement is retarded.
Wait, shit, it is. I'll see myself out.
Tolkien had a view of Catholicism that was influenced by early medieval literature, which held a sacramental view of the world and of nature. He also believed, as the Church does, that there is truth and value in pagan mythology, because it is a way which God was revealed to people through the creation before the Incarnation.
It is a mistake to project paganism into Tolkien though- he was a devout Catholic, but he was educated enough to have respect for ancient religion.
>hebrew
>doesn't know Old English
dude you are a nigger
Neither of you know what the fuck you're talking about
That's probably fair, I haven't read much religious fiction in general. It's one of those "can't unsee" things that I've learned- i studied the Silmarillion with a Tolkien scholar in my area who also led me to the Catholic Church.
No. He literally fucking said there are no analogies. Fuck off you aspy queer.
>it's about friends in a time of war
Wrong. It's about how he needed a world for his made up languages and about how upset he was that England has 0 mythology.
You got blown out so fucking hard
Not only do I doubt that's true, but I do know that Tolkein didn't like Nazi Germany.
You're literally retarded huh?
Care to expand on that? I love Tolkien but I would love him even more if he hated kikes.
No. There are no analogies in the LotR except Rohirrim - Saxons/Germanics and Hobbits - Tolkien's part of England.
Tolkien was explicit that his books were not analogies. In fact, the Rohirrim arent even an analogy. They are literally Saxons. Their language is english and they're the people who make up today -- the stories of Middle Earth were meant to be English folklore (the books being set in the Third Age and the 1940s being the Fifth or Sixth Age)
He was pals with G.K. Chesterton if that says anything
Interestingly, now that I've read your reply to that other user I think maybe I jumped the gun a little bit, because your point about Tolkien's work as being more theologically in-depth than Lewis' strikes true. Lewis didn't really explore any themes of moral significance that aren't standard stuff in children's fiction, there's no attempt to examine ideas like divine will or pure evil, simply a 1-for-1 retelling of the Bible's narratives with a lion as Jesus.
I would still say, though, that there are plenty of fiction writers from the last century that maybe aren't as reverent, but stick more closely within what might be considered the Catholic canon and still get equally deep into themes of Christian philosophy. Umberto Eco as I mentioned springs to mind, and if you haven't read it I would very highly recommend The Name of the Rose, to anyone but especially to you if you like to mix religion, medieval settings and fiction which it certainly seems that you might.
This.
But Sam/Frodo is a batman and his officer. And the Scouring of the Shire reflects his return home to England to find they'd "won the war but lost his home"; he no longer recognized his home because industry had moved in
He didnt
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll definitely pick up a copy.
The line of the kings after aragorn is a mix of pure human, elf and ainur
>he thinks racemixing with the gods is bad.
>back then
Singlehandedly justified the movie industry, despite the heaps of garbage propaganda pouring constantly out of hollywood