Why do people disagree with this?

Why do people disagree with this?

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nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us/no-savings-found-in-florida-welfare-drug-tests.html
salon.com/2013/08/29/gop’s_inane_money_eating_sham_drug_tests_for_welfare_a_huge_failure/
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So we are going to pay to drug test welfare recipients, probably doubling the amount of money we spend on them already.

actually a pretty remarkable proposition

Because its redundant and doesn't work.

>drug tests cost like 20$
>doubles their welfare payments of 300$ EBT + 1100$ disability per month
nippon plz

>taxes are gay
>making people take drug tests are gay

idk, there not entitled to it I guess

Next time post a real picture, obvious shoop is obvious. But I do agree with the statement made.

Because they're drug addicts

>what is an addiction

>Drugs test: 15 EUR
>Damage to society by drugs: still counting

>more government

Just put a limit on how long anyone can receive benefits unless they're seriously disabled and not filing under some meme disease. It's supposed to be a safety not not a way of life.

Government is real good at losing ridiculous amounts of money at every step.

"$20 per person" would no doubt balloon up into far more.

Just legalize the fucking drugs already

Yeah right.
Btw, how's that wall coming along

Already proven to waste more money than it saves. No, seriously look it up. It's one of those ideas that seems like a great idea but doesn't work in reality. Like socialism.

how does it work? people get monthly stuff sent into their bank account. not everybody goes and stands in a line somewhere.

what if they're disabled and home bound? meaning they can't go outside for various reasons.

what stops them from just using piss from somebody else and faking the test? is somebody going to watch them piss? like what if they're a disabled person home bound how will somebody come and then tell them to pee?

Didn't Florida implement this and saved like $10 million?

>just
But that's the hard part. Drawing a line where you actually help people but also don't make people cry bloody murder because it's racist/bigoted/unfair isn't exactly trivial

>Why do people disagree with this?
because drug users are predominately liberal gimmidats.

There already IS a limit, you can only receive welfare for 5 years and only once in your life.

Trump logic. Let's clean up streets/crime/inner city by cutting welfare. Literal madman. 12D move to start race war?

Watch as crime moves increasingly white burbs.

This would probably save a lot if money if they visit the homes of welfare recipients randomly. Think about it, Every chimp on welfare spends money on drugs, once we catch them bam we don't have to waste precious tax dollars. Maybe it could even help the old negro work for once and improve instead of relying the gibs me Dat. Or they all just die from starvation.

Citation needed faggot

Mouth tests are the cheap ones and they can only detect THC or similar within 3 days at most
Piss tests are a lot more expensive then you'd think
Especially in America where an ambulance ride costs 10x as much as a limousine

You have to be over 18 to post here.

I'd rather drug users not get drug tested at work, so they can stay employed and feed their habits themselves.

Me? I'm self-employed. I don't get drug tested.

Since 1996, you faggot.

mdrc.org/publication/update-state-welfare-time-limit-policies-and-their-effects-families

Now fucking end yourself.

Trump will personally hold your dick to pee.....but only if you are jewish.

Yeah, but a lot of jobs have safety concerns that are negatively impacted by drug and alcohol abuse.

Start with people that have a history of substance abuse. You'll save the money for the testkits by not paying the people that turn in a positive sample.

Or just you know, "clean up" the streets, Taxi Driver style.

Weed is legal in my state. Also the drug tests are a bit expensive. Although unless you have a medical card and you pop on a drug test for weed while on welfare. Bye bye not paying for you. Im not paying for your jigaboo weed.

>receive $10,000 a year in benefits

>spend $100 on a drug test
>immediately $9,900 saved from the budget if just one person tests positive
>most people don't even show up for the drug test and automatically disqualify for benefits

>people lose their benefits and we don't even have to pay for a drug test, because niggers think they'll be arrested when they know they will fail

conservativetribune.com/results-of-ncs-drug-testing/

>7600 welfare recipients
>In a trial run, 2% (152 recipients) are referred to take a drug test
>89 people took the test
>out of that 89, 21 of them tested positive for drugs

>the 21 who tested positive for drugs, plus the 63 who didn't show up equals 84 people who tested positive for drugs or refused to take a drug test

>OUT OF 152 WELFARE RECIPIENTS REFERRED
>55% OF PEOPLE ORDERED TO TAKE A DRUG TEST OR STOP RECEIVING BENEFITS REFUSED OR FAILED THE DRUG TEST

The fucking worst part is I had to trudge through garbage left wing fake news websites for these stats. They all say ".03% of welfare recipients are on drugs!" when ignoring that only 2 percent or 152 people were even ordered to take the test.

>People are abusing the system, but were not going to do anything about it because our monies.

Jesus fucking Christ, justice and fairness has nothing to do with money. People care about other things. If i kill a hobo who doesn't do anything for society and I do a lot for society. Society shouldn't say, "oh well it would cost us more to jail this murderer, here's your get out of jail card." Once you allow such a thing to happen, others will take note and abuse the system.

It will likely reduce how many people claim welfare and the drug tests will be cheap.
Also some slight investment might be worthy anyway to help clean the streets.

If you control an organism's source of resources then you can control the organism.

Actually this. We should legalize all drugs. Tax and regulate them.

>His government obsessively monitors hid Internet use, tests his body for drugs and can draft him into the military and send him to die

Pfffffft!

Probably a good idea.

If truck drivers can do alco-test everytime they put on the engine, then politicians should do drug tests.

How so?

If someone is high enough for them to be a danger, you won't need a drug test to see it.
We could alleviate tons of crime by getting rid of drug testing all around. No one gets tested for booze either, BTW. You come to work drunk, you get fired. Usually.

Drug testing is a slick way of creating crime where none would otherwise be.
You make someone unemployed, you either get them hooked onto the government dole or you get them involved in crime to make ends.

If people only knew just how badly they were being fucked. That's why I'm self-employed.

A piss test costs about $110 out of pocket, there are some kike employers that actually make you pay for your own drug test to work there. Still way cheaper than giving niggers free rent, utilities, food, and drugs for as long as they manage to shit out more kids.
You'd also see a lot of niggers and trailer trash starve to death. Worth every penny tbqh.

Because they are junkie scum and want the taxpayers to buy their ice cream so that they don't have to steal it like the booze and laundry soap.

Claimed reason: it's inefficient
More realistic reason: La-a's kids still need to eat, and you know that bitch won't give up her blunts

For once Brazil I agree with you. Though your country would benefit far more from total legalization. Would help to reduce some of your drug trade related violence. I believe an adult had the right to imbue whatever they feel. It's not the governments place to decide what you put in your body. What about alcoholics? Do alcoholics deserve welfare? Because they sure as fuck get it and drug testing isn't going to stop that.

System sounds like an interesting idea. Would also be a sly way to flag up addicts. In welfare states the government can control the people because they control and issue them their life's dependency.

People will start trying to find ways around the system but it should also stop benefits being given to people who then put that money into drugs, i.e. US taxpayer money fueling Mexican drug cartels.

"drug addicts shouldn't receive any care or welfare! kick them to the curb!"

t. edgy right wing 14 year old

Lol, dumb fucking faggot, this doesn't apply to state funded social security. I'm a single individual, I have no need for TANF. Get fucked asshole

What the fuck are you talking about?????

Piss cups cost literally 90 fuckin cents you dumb motherfucker, even blood tests cost $60 at most

t. drug addicted subhuman

It would cause short term chaos but I'm the medium term it would improve society.
The problem with edgy 14 year old's is they ignore collateral damage. Doesn't mean they can't be right.

Another example of an edgy 14 year old opinion is killing all Muslims. Initially it would be very messy but the world would be vastly improved in the long run.

There, easy solution

>Hire people to administer tests to ALL welfare recipients
>Spend money on man hours to process results
Literally look at what happens with the VA, but just cover it with piss and set it on fire.

idgaf what people spend their welfare on. If they wanna waste their poverty level paycheck on drugs, fuck it. They're only fucking themselves really.

I get piss tested through court and it only costs 35$. They say they are the cheapest in Michigan though. I am a (was) a stoner and I completely agree with the test for benefits. If you can afford smokey you can budget the money for something else.

Whenever its been tried nobody failed. People stop doing drugs when they know theyll be tested. Then right back on.

>Laundry soap
Funny you mention that, a friend of mine manages a walmart in niggertown, he once mentioned Tide pods are stolen more than any other item in the store.

I remember the 80s when the majority of people believed that drug tests were a government intrusion, and there were big debates on the legality of them at all. Now they're "normal".

Drug addicts aren't human.

The mayor of Sao Paulo did exactly the opposite. He gave money for those who have proved they smoke crack.

my problem with this shit is that the "war on drugs" is a humongous failure.

let people do what they want, and take away the MAIN fucking source of income for all gangs in america: drugs.
just make'em legal and deal with them like you described with alcohol.

of course with trump and his "loah and oardah" shit this is never gonna happen. enjoy the "war on drugs" being renewed for the gazillionths time and gang violence becoming even worse (maybe you'll even hit mexican levels)

This is such a bad idea. They all do drugs. If they dont get their free money and drugs from the government its not like they get a job. They just start robbing you and taking your stuff.

Piss tests won't catch anybody except pot smokers. Are you just going to do it once? That'll be real hard to dodge. More than once? Costs mounting. Lots of costs here. The best thing to do is to make lotus eaters of society's undesirables and get them out of the way, no fuss no muss

Your mom isn't human

It would create a hell of a lot of demand for good, high-paying educated jobs in drug testing laboratories to process the bloodwork of all the Tyrones and Air Wreckas. Liberals should approve of this gross expansion of government employees.

>government intrusion

If you don't want to be intruded upon, don't ask for free money.

I don't care that much if you're on drugs. I start caring if you use your SNAP benefits on fucking drugs because I pay for that.

It's kinda like saying "Hey you get off that cancer before you get health care" - oh wait, this is America we're talking about. :^(

you can buy drug tests at the dollar store

Someone that thinks a plastic cup magically performs urinalysis should refrain from calling anyone else retarded.

I disagree with drug laws[sic].
But I dont disagree with people living within the law in order to get assistance

Then they'll go to jail quicker.

We have a saying in portugal: No money, No vices. If you're too poor to provide for yourself that you need assistance from the government, you shouldn't even use a single fucking cent from the government's help to feed your fucking addictions. This should also be extended to chronic smoking and alcoholism in my opinion.

“The relationship is loose, although the overlap is real: Five states are among both the 10 most conservative and the 10 most reliant on federal funds. Four states are among both the 10 most liberal and the 10 least reliant on federal funds…A rough pattern emerges by region, too. The South is home to five of the 10 most reliant states. The West and Midwest are each home to two, and the Northeast is home to one. Of the 10 states least reliant on federal revenue, four are in the West, three are in the Northeast, two are in the Midwest and one is in the South.”

Hahahaha, fucking where does Sup Forums get its news?

Like seriously?

nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us/no-savings-found-in-florida-welfare-drug-tests.html

salon.com/2013/08/29/gop’s_inane_money_eating_sham_drug_tests_for_welfare_a_huge_failure/

msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/drug-test-policies-end-failure

These are the first three results on Bing.

Aside, believing all, or even most, welfare recipients are crackhead welfare queens with eight children and large amounts of melanin is another one of those conservative pipe dreams to have people vote against social safety nets that can prevent shit like recessions and spikes in crime (see: great depression, prohibition, etc.).

First military parades and now this?
>mfw when he really is NatSoc

...

Because often times, the biggest welfare recipients of them all, the guys in office whose salary is paid by tax collectors, won't take a drug test themselves.
Also its piss easy to pass 90% of drug test. I spent 3 years on probation and smoked weed everyday.

>Why do people disagree with this?

Why do people (on welfare) disagree with this?

>THIS

Junkies can't quit for more than a day or so without getting sick, they are easier to catch than you think.

>implying those are worth shit

The South is home to the most reliant group, blacks.

I'm not even kidding. Go look at black welfare rates.

109,631,000 people in US on some form of welfare

Inta $300 million extra spent on administration of welfare.

You gotta pay people to administer those drug tests EVERY TIME someone wants their welfare check.

You gotta pay people to process the results and update them.

I hate you liberal piece of shiet.

Because most welfare goes to businesses and I cant piss test rich people living on the dole. If this was about metg or heroin I could be convinced. But this is about weed and we all know it.

So then what do we do with all the drug addicts with zero income?
>inb4 edgelord solution
I'm asking in regard to what the real world solution is.

Drug tests for urine or spit using antibodies costs almost nothing, especially when bought in large quantity.

Essentially they give a rabbit a dose of the drug and extract the antibodies from his blood. Subsequently these can be biosynthesised using modified yeast cells.

t. a biochemist who used to work for a company that developed them

It's worth a try. At the same time though it would be good to expand drug addiction programs.

>random tests at least six times a year
>if positive individual can't benefit from welfare programs for one year
>if they go back on the programs and fail it again they receive jail time or lose all rights to welfare for life

Yay or nay?

t. Druggie subhuman

Good thing you're not in my country. If you are we will hunt you down and feed your lard remains to pigs.

see
The media is lying to you. Over 55% of people who were ordered to get a drug test to qualify for benefits in North Carolina failed it or refused to take the test.

>drugging up bunnies

Video?

This is inherently racist and targeted against black people, don't pretend it's not true.
Trump disgusts me.
Can't wait for 2020

No. Why do you dumb fuckers want more government in your lives?

You ain't gonna get an argument from me.
It's not the drugs really causing a problem. It's what people do to get money to buy the shit, and this is where the government comes in.
Their prohibitionist bullshit creates problems where there were none.

Opium's been around for thousands of years but the heroin epidemic, with the gangs and crime and ODs and all the other shit are a uniquely modern thing.
And opium's the only drug that has ever really been trouble in itself through history, namely with the Chinese.

The value of drug enforcement is greater than the value of drug sales however.
This is why prohibition continues. Drug sales, even at the inflated prices caused by prohibition-limited supply, amount to a few hundo-billion a year.
The take from prohibition(including equipment sales, employment, property forfeiture, and namely the skim off of money laundering) is well over a trillion a year.

There's your problem.

Not to mention, "fighting drugs" is a very useful political tool.

>pay people to administer those drug tests EVERY TIME someone wants their welfare check

Or do it once, and disqualify them for welfare for the rest of their lives.

You work, half of your money is taken away and used to pay the drugs of a homeless.

Helping them out of a difficult situation is ok, paying for their vices isn't.

Anyone that replies to this after me is a fucking idiot.

I like it in principle but it was done in Florida for a short while and it was almost completely ineffective. The state spent around 250,000 in drug tests and only caught a handful of drug users, maybe it prevent a lot of people that knew they would fail from trying to get welfare in the first place but even then I can't imagine it would surpassed the amount spent on testing. I would rather just focus on getting rid of welfare entirely since it does such a poor job of what it was intended to do, which was lift people out of poverty.

>Government redistribution or welfare is an effective method of elevating people out of poverty, but instead it actually keeps people in poverty because it creates incentives for people to stay poor. For example in 2014 the Fiscal Research Division of the General Assembly analyzed the decisions confronting individuals and families enrolled in various government welfare programs. A single mother with two children ages 1 and 4 earning $15,000 a year through work would be eligible for government benefits (such as Medicaid, housing vouchers and subsidized day care) equivalent to roughly an additional $35,000. Such a scenario puts this woman in a bind. If she finds a better job paying more, she risks losing substantial amounts of benefits. She would make her family worse off even though her paycheck would be bigger. Just to come out even, once taxes are factored in, she would need to find work paying about $55,000 a year. Not many low-skilled workers can make such a leap. This scenario is commonly referred to as the welfare cliff. Fear of falling off that cliff is perfectly rational, but it also serves as a highly effective tool to trap people in a life of poverty.

MAGA

>If you're too poor to provide for yourself that you need assistance from the government, you shouldn't even use a single fucking cent from the government's help to feed your fucking addictions
the implication here being that if you deny money to these addicts, they will magically become clean.

here's whats really gonna happen: they continue to be addicts but are now 100% dependent on criminal activity (robbing, extortion, pimping, selling drugs themselves etc) to finance themselves.

this will happen. do you want this to happen?

>Then they'll go to jail quicker.
>implying there will be less criminals on the street
maybe you should take a gander at mexico to see the war on drugs in action

You're treating nigs like they actually think about the future and the consequenes of their actions.

Josh Gordon is a multimillionaire football superstar. He's been suspended 3 seasons in a row for dope smoking. His salary is like $100,000 / wk. He hasn't earned a dollar for 3 seasons because he wont quit dope. They just don't care.

It's because it's not coveredby EBT, my dude. I do security at grocery stores. I deal with these dirtbags every night. Tbqh lacing their drugs with shit that makes them fatally overdose is the ideal solution.

is this not an invasion of privacy and the government stepping too far?