How would a Libertarian society deal with degenerates? Remember, killing or imprisoning them would violate the NAP

How would a Libertarian society deal with degenerates? Remember, killing or imprisoning them would violate the NAP.

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Free to do what they want but live with the consequences
You know, libertarian

refuse to exchange goods and services with them in the community, thereby forcing them to leave.
that being said I think most people who dream of libertarian societies are degenerates anyway.

Probably wait until they start stinking from their lack of personal hygiene and then strike them with one of your Personal™ Defense™ Warheads™ for violating the NAP.

They believe in letting natural selection deal with them. Without government support, most will die off and/or fail to reproduce.

>How would a Libertarian society deal with degenerates?
It wouldn't

>mfw libertariasnism is the last, ultimate redpill

If there is any group that deserves a genocide right now it's furries

But all the property and tell them to get the fuck off of it.

>so to speak

Normal people would be free to simply shun them from society

The society, if it functioned at all, would barely function. Degeneration could not take root, in such a society.

removal by force, the NAP doesnt apply to degenerates or commies.

If they don't infringe upon anyone else as per the NAP, it doesn't.

>not understanding libertarianism

>implying in a perfectly capitalist society there wouldn't be an entrepreneur who would sell to the cut off individuals at higher prices thereby making a larger profit

>libertarian
>society

Pick one

Natural selection will get rid of them. Degenerates have a low fertility rate.

Pretty much every farming community in the US.

Such a weird religion. At least other religions think that their commandments came from God.

Libertarians just follow the NAP for literally no reason. Literally some dipshit just made the NAP up one day. How retarded do you have to blindly follow something like that?

NAP is an anarchist idea, not a libertarian one.

> implying we wouldn't devolve into a medival europe or islamic state type of society with peasants ganging up everyone going against the grain also executions. Also feudal lords or merc corps would be a natural development after the inevitable collapse

Im just here to post memes

We don't deal with degenerates. You don't need to.

With their recreational gas chambers and ovens.

The NAP says it is ok to drive down the highway drunk the wrong way while watching child porn on your laptop but it is morally wrong to initiate force to stop your friend if he's having a bad acid trip and tries to kill himself.

The NAP is *literally* retarded.

Degenerates are free to do whatever degenerate shit they want until they violate the NAP.

We don't.
What you're thinking of is simply "live and let live".
You cause a problem where there otherwise would not be one, and you're in for consequences.
It's a very simple concept, I don't know why you people have trouble getting it.

It's like you think you should be allowed to go around fucking with someone and not get into trouble.

>literally no reason
>rationalism doesn't exist

keep believing that

I shall join you

>implying there won't be more entrepreneurs who will sell goods to the cut off degenerates at even lower prices, effectively making the degenerate products and the traditionalist products have equal prices

Friendly reminder that a libertarian society would gladly replace all of the native population with retarded oil sheiks for the shekels. Remember you can't forbid anyone to sell property to them.

kekdmate

reporting then hiding them obviously

We should fuck them all to death, they would enjoy it, we would enjoy it and society would get better.

>sweden
>libertarian

top jej

NAP only applies to human beings, not beasts, yes?

There is no problem.

it's okay to violate the NAP if you have superior firepower.

> Anglos
> Arguments

>Friendly reminder that a libertarian society would gladly replace all of the native population with retarded oil sheiks for the shekels.

Why would we allow oil sheiks to take something like that off our hands?
Makes no sense.

>here's something extremely valuable! let's sell it to someone else and let them profit off of it
Dumbass.

libertarians aren't opposed to border controls

Life is not that simplistic. That is the problem. Sometimes you need to initiate force.

Sometimes things do not cause immediate or direct harm to others but if tolerated will cause damage to society over the long term and therefore needs to be suppressed (like drugs).

It is just childish and dumb. Not realistic.

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HOLY FUCKING SHIT SAGE

It wouldn't, besides it's really hard to draw the line where degeneracy begins.

Someone in your society would and It's all downhill from there

Someone in your society would be, they would profit more and start buying more property and then it's downhill again.

Do you feel targeted by the subject?

Completely ignoring them is good option, attention whores as they are - it will hit them hard.

Their propaganda should be cut and any try to spread it should be met with argumented response. Who tries push this propaganda on unsuspecting children should be punished with crippling fine.

That's not what I'm saying. Libertarianism is not anarcho-capitalism, There's still a government with some small degree of power. Primarily when it comes to foreign matters

Yes, but how do you protect the government from subversive media as what has happened here in Sweden?

Disregard and completely ignore but the NAP works both ways and will be enforced.

Sweden isn't libertarian, but the point is still the same.

>Life is not that simplistic.
Yes it is. Just because you try to complicate it to justify bullshit decisions doesn't mean it's complicated.

>Sometimes things do not cause immediate or direct harm to others but if tolerated will cause damage to society over the long term and therefore needs to be suppressed (like drugs).
Drugs don't cause harm to society. Irresponsibility does and you don't teach people to be responsible by taking away their toys.
You treat adults like children, you'll have a society full of immature adults. Bottom line.

You talk of being childish, yet you speak as though a child yourself. Your answer to a problem is the answer an adult would have for a child, not the answer an adult has for an adult, showing that you-
A. believe yourself to be superior to other adults
or
B. have an immature brain that cannot understand personal responsibility

I'll tell you the same thing I tell gun grabbers. Come and take em.

Why would someone do something so economically retarded?

Are you seriously wondering why people do retarded things? People do long-term retarded things all the time if they earn some shekels now.

That's what constitutions are for brah

>dealing with anyone

Do you understand libertarianism?

Nationalist libertarians are a thing?

Hire someone to violate the NAP for me and have them killed. Easy peasy.

We deal with them by letting them die naturally, the state is what keeps these pieces of human trash alive & polluting the gene pool.

Libertarian != An-cap
One of the primary roles of government in a libertarian society is the prevention and dissolution of monopolies.

If they're Marxists as well, they aren't even people. That immediately solves a lot of cases.

Many degenerates would perish within a free market. Fat, low IQ Nogs and white trash would die off without their precious social security and medicare/medicaid which subsidies their shitty lifestyle. Businesses and landlords would be free to discriminate based on anything. So you would have businesses which would exclude undesirable demographics from their services and goods. You would have true freedom of association, and thus could form all white and conservative communities/towns. Without the marxist brainwashing of the public education system and a government enforced curriculum parents would be free to homeschool their kids or send them to right wing schools, thus kids would be more conservative and less promiscuous and degenerate. With alot of unnecessary tax burden from the productive upper and middle, mainly white, classes, these people, who have on average higher IQs than the lower class will have more resources and therefore will be able to buy a house faster, and have more resources to raise a family. No more housing projects being built in white suburbs so nogs would be more contained within their shitty neighbourhoods.

Also, one could argue that leftists and communists violate the NAP by voting for more government. Therefore you have the right to stop them from voting in big government via physical removal.

>Are you seriously wondering why people do retarded things?
Libertarians don't tend to do these things.
No Libertarian would sell his oil rights to some saudi sheik.
He's become a billionaire himself.

Maybe YOU and your ilk would sell your oil rights. We sure as shit wouldn't.

Like I said, Libertarianism works fine in farming communities.
We have our troubles but we deal with them.

In a libertarian society, I would be free to call these people faggots and find like minded people to boycott them from our businesses and ostracise them from civilisation.

Alright cool, I'm still a bit skeptical. Here on Sup Forums everyone talks about ancaps and libertarians as they are the same so I got a bit rustled.

Yes, though I'm not really one of them. I want to live and work in peace with low taxes and a stable society.

I don't really consider a constitution to be a nationalist apparatus if it simply prevents the government from gaining to much control over its people, and stops the country from falling apart to foreign powers or interests (including poor, potentially violent migrants)

They would be excluded from your private property and/or your libertarian social covenant

Hoppe would make the distinction that killing non-libertarians is not necessarily a violation of the NAP

I don't think you understand the NAP. The NAP states you don't *initiate* aggression. It doesn't mean you don't *respond* to aggression.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle

> "Aggression", for the purposes of NAP, is defined as initiating or threatening the use of any and all forcible interference with an individual or individual's property.

> initiating or threatening the use of any and all forcible interference with an individual or individual's property.

> initiating

Responding to aggression and countering is fully within the realm of possibility.

Well I thought about property in general, not oil rights.

see, this is true. they'd all end up on the side of the road and if they robbed someone they'd get shot on site.

They are way to cucked by the state for the concept of selfdefense to even occur to them

A libertarian society does not deal with anything
A libertarian society is deep down a lack of society

Google "axiom"

Pro tip: anyone who believes anything has faith in "made up" axioms

It's almost like OP is a hypocrite who only cares about itself or something...

Pay back those debts, you greasy subhuman.

Create your own community where the laws are clearly against degeneracy and will force you to get out if you disrespect them. It's not rocket science.

Homosexuality violates the NAP
Race Mixing violates the NAP
There would be no requirement to accommodate the obese
Drug Abuse in Public violates the NAP

in an individualist society that is libertarian there is no such thing as degeneracy; likewise, there is no communal consequence of degenerates' fallout like footing the bill fo extramarital children, single mothers, STDs, drug rehabilitation, incarceration, old-age (in)security and so forth

personal freedom=personal responsibility for consequences

Agreed. All gommies should be put down like the animals they are. They're sick in the mind.

>most people who dream of libertarian societies are degenerates anyway.
exactly this

Furries would form their own communities. This may come as a surprise to you, but there actually a few high functioning furries with backgrounds in engineering, science, medicine, and so on.
There's even /k/ furries, and in these sorts of 'Free For All' scenarios, the largest warband wins.

Pretty soon you'd have non-furries pretending to be furry (and likely becoming furry by continued proximity to furporn) and their numbers would swell.

Yiff in hell furfag

They would starve because nobody wants to deal with them.

Hi Mao

Guess China really is capitalist now huh

We don't just sell out our land and property rights either.
We respect property. Property is the physical asset one has, either to call home, or to use to earn a living(that's also known as capital in economics), or to use as a bulwark against sudden changes in the environment(natural, political, economic, etc).

There's this false idea that we value money over all else.
Money's just something to put food on the table and maybe enjoy life with.
Our value is having a place and things to call our own, and to be able to use these to better our own lives and those around us.

That's why most of us don't mind limited government functions. NASA, the National Park Service, other services.
As long as it's limited and sets framework, or truly has the betterment of man at heart(NASA), we don't hate it.

I don't mind tax on fuel to go toward funding road maintenance. Just like I don't mind private roads and tolls.
As long as the tax is at my discretion it's not a problem. Tax on what we buy rather than what we earn.

Government should be treated like tools for the commonwealth to use. A base to let private business/interactions carry on in equal terms.
And that's what the US government was founded to be.

It isn't that simple sorry. You think people are all just deracinated autonomous individual units who should be able to anything they want unless it immediately and directly hurts another autonomous individual unit.

That's complete bs. We are members of a society, something that is bigger than us and more important than us. And we have certain responsibilities toward that society. That is why you can't, for example, walk down the street naked.

Think of society like a human body and every person as a cell. If all your cells just did their own thing and stopped working for the greater whole (you) then you would die. Likewise a civilization.

Most people are just mentally children and need to be told what to do. If you think the average person can handle freedom then you need to get out of your house more and talk to some of them.

Eventually all the land would get bought up by corporations and everyone would be thrown in the sea anyway, that would end degeneracy once and for all

No it doesn't, but you can join people like-minded that will enforce discourage these behaviours are remove you if you don't stick to the rules.

>hey would profit more and start buying more property

obviously peple just have money to purchase evrything

You sound exactly like a neoliberal who wants to use the state to do their bidding. There is literally no difference between you and a libtard pushing gun control or some other legislation of morals and opinions based on your feelings. You are pretty much a gawker reading, huffpost loving libtard except for yoyr fashion sense and how you perceive yourself.

Literally some dipshit(s) made up the Old Testament.

How retarded do you have to be to blindly follow something like that?

>Mao
>Not Deng Xiaoping

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

ya we capitalist now. We're still working out the kinks but it's still an ongoing process.

This shouldn't be a surprise to you considering how much of Australia is Chinese property.

If we tolerate things like homosexuality, race mixing, drug use and other degeneracy our society will collapse and will be invaded and taken over by foreign enemies. We are witnessing this happen in the West right now. Live right before our eyes.

Live and let live simply does not work.

...

>getting your knowledge of anything from Sup Forums

Read a book nigger. This is the problem with Sup Forums, retards getting their opinions from the even bigger retards who post the most and spam the most memes

Less than 1%? Kek

news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/china-owns-less-than-1per-cent-of-australia-farmland/news-story/7b769c5bdfe7b80924e15223594d62a7

Right wing death squads obviously.

LIbertarianism is the negation of the state as a solution to problems that can be privately resolved. Ancap and minarchist, for example, are how far you think the privatization can go, both are a form of libertarianism.

>You think people are all just deracinated autonomous individual units who should be able to anything they want unless it immediately and directly hurts another autonomous individual unit.
When you do something to hurt someone else, you get penalized.
It's that simple.

You don't take guns from people because an exception broke a rule.
You don't take cocaine/weed/LSD from people because an exception broke a rule.

You punish the exception and everyone else who can handle being an adult moves on with life.

It works flawlessly. I know. I live it. EVERY DAY.
Never fails to work.
Meanwhile, in your neck of the non-woods, you cause problems that don't otherwise exist then seek the government to solve those problems which causes MORE problems.
And the shit stacks higher erry day until you get corrupt bullshit like Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, St.Louis, Baltimore, and let's not forget the capital of scum and villainy, Washington DC.

But yes. Tell me MORE about how your solution fixes problems.

>Most people are just mentally children and need to be told what to do.
Because they're raised that way by idiots like you. You're so helpless.

Let them commit suicide that's how fucker, you think you're depressed? Imagine how they feel, I don't think I could last one day as a furry without killing myself. The free market will fix it, and you don't get any state power. It's a win win situation for me. Hope you die.

>border control
That violates the persons right to migrate, and you need to respect the rights of the migrant as long as they violate yours.

>b-but if you remove welfare, they won't migrate into your country
They'll still come into the country either in search of a higher paid job, compared to what they have in Mexico or wherever the fuck.

this. It's just as bad as supporting it.

Cunt do you realise how much land here is uninhabitable?
1% of actually farmable land is huge.
They aren't buying Uluru.