Stop voting against your economic interests

Stop voting against your economic interests

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gibs me dat

stop losing superdelegates

My economic interests involve not paying for other people's shit.

stop supporting a corrupt party, cuck

Betsy DeVos to Bernie Sanders: ‘There’s Nothing in Life That’s Truly Free’

Bernie BTFO

I know. That's why I didn't vote for you.

I didn't. I'm looking forward to those nice tax cuts and not having to subsidize health care for everyone else. Thanks Donald.

eat shit commie

no man is an island unto himself. everyone pays for everyone else the only debate is to what extant and how much. its about optics if people feel the money is disproportionately helping what they feel to be the other than they will vote against it.

healthcare is a perfect example. people don' want to support things like single payer because they feel someone else will benefit more, inappropriate to what they receive. if you remove the labels of socialized medicine and explain exactly how it benefits them and their group people support it.

the country has a real education and propaganda issue

I did

She didn't go through with it, did she?
A president is not the end of the world

the US has a retarded system that ends up in citizens paying more for healthcare than they would pay in taxes in a socialized country

unless youre a richfag but in that case fuck you you dont pay any taxes anyways

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Then move to a socialist country faggot

their only interest is to not be told what to do by a big expanding federal government.

Average Sup Forums posters get their news from Faux news , what do you expect ?

Fuck off. I have many friends in their late 20s and early 30s that aren't buying a house or starting families became they simply can't afford to. Meanwhile every time I go to the grocery store it seems I'm stuck behind a Mexican with her 10 fucking kids paying for a cart full of groceries with food stamps. And this isn't just anecdotal evidence.

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I would go on about how we have completely fucked up our higher education but I'm afraid oll have an aneurysm and will bleed out in the waiting room.

Screw that wealthy hypocritical Senator from Vermont that got fucked over by the Party he was representing.

My voting interest involve being compensated for my labor, not being stolen by the Feds and the State so people like Sanders can live "high on the hog".

the whole concept of big government is a myth. The government needs to be the size required to accomplish what the people have decide government should accomplish.

well, then you're in for some trouble, cause the next crisis the bankers are going to cause will, as always, not be paid by the bankers.

Conservashits love to suck off big corporate , big pharma and wall streets dick off

The issue with jobs is more of an automation problem. Is illegal immigration a problem, yes. The greater problem is we have lost jobs to automation and they are not being replaced. Hell I am in my 30's work and live with my parents because I do not make enough to afford my own place and car and eat all at the same time.

That is shit, our economy needs to be fixed. Not helping a parent who cant afford food for her children will not get me more money ,

This, we need socialized health insurance

>switzerland

where everything is fucking privatized and it's the richer country in europe

come here in italy faggot socialists, here university and sanity are free. o wait, shit doesn't work because politicians are shit. stop sucking government's dick, cucks

insurance is a retarded old-fashioned system
obamacare wasnt commie enough

we need single payer

Government is about the degree of force, that is how you measure "limited" or "big".

NO REFUNDS

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so if it was bigger than what is required, would you call it big?

Stop being a fucking Jew

A healthy economy is better for everyone.

So anyone who favors small government, by your definition, would want as limited a police force as possible. no involvement in marriage or drug laws, no restrictions on guns and no restriction on abortion.

The problem I have encountered is when people argue for limited government they only want it applied for their favorite issues, on other issues they argue for very large government.

Thank you based rabbi

I agree the system is shit but if you want to step back that far and look at things then I would argue we are doing the planet a disservice by allowing these third world animals to reproduce unchecked. We need fewer people, more educated children, and we sure as hell aren't getting that letting the Gonzalez family in and feeding their children.

Middle class here

I'm not

But I'm rich so..

How would you control cost?

What would your incentives be for people to bust their asses to provide care/technologies/pharmaceuticals that are extremely over-regulated?

Would you need to control peoples' behavior by force to drive down cost?

Is that really living in a free society?

In the end, fuck your totalitarian single payer system. Expand competition, deregulate, and get government as far away as possible from a service industry that should be set "free".

I would call it inefficient if you are claiming that parts of the government exists which are not needed.

It is why I have an issue with the Trump 2 for 1 regulation argument. If you are regulating nuclear energy you may need every one of those regulations, you cant just remove some because your claim the government is to large.

I rather discuss a specific policy and determine if it is needed or not and if it is needed it should be as efficient as possible to accomplish the goal.

I want to be able to earn as much as I want without being taxed like crazy. On top of that, I don't want whatever I'm being taxed to fund inefficient programs that produces degenerates.

>sanity are free.
then I suggest you go get some.

And what do you think about other people paying for things for you?

>Expand competition, deregulate, and get government as far away as possible from a service industry that should be set "free".

That is fine, but please take it to its logical conclusion. I don't want the government to determine what drugs I can buy over the counter. I don't want the government to determine who can practice medicine with a license requirement. If you want the market to decide you need to remove all government interference.

I would argue that would create just as horrible a system as one run 100% of the government. Balance is required, tax funded basic healthcare for all by way of single payer combined with private clinics and doctors who have decided not to take government funds would be the best.

A person's rights ends where another's begins. Because of crime you need a police force, you need to manage highways/State roads (General Welfare of what Hamilton and Madison described) and to ensure a fair competitive business climate.

War on drugs, oppressive
War on guns, oppressive
War on the unborn, oppressive
Responsibility of choosing to do the right behaviors that benefit society should be rewarded, not punished.

The point of the 2 for 1 is to force discussion on which ones to remove because otherwise nobody would even look at them.
You think they're gonna just draw them from a hat?
And it's pretty widely accepted that business creation and growth is greatly restricted by current regulations.

Stop telling me what my interests are

Thats retarded. There are enough things to bust our behinds over, health and education shouldn't be one of those things. especially since one of those things is kinda random (and we already struggle and spend to keep it as it is its own reward), and the other is all important to civil society.

>license requirement

You are entering the realm of hyperbole. Of course medical providers should be licensed, along with drivers on public roads. I am not arguing for an anarchy but balancing the degree of force where the Sovereign adheres to the Social Contract/or liberty if you will.

I did not vote against my economic interest. I voted Trump. As an owner of a small business I rarely vote democrat...

Fundamentally I don't disagree. Although I wouldn't call abortion a war on the unborn, that is just hyperbolic, then again so is the war on drugs.

Although you have already said we need highways to provide for the general welfare. Public education is also required for the general welfare. Why not a university education. Washington wanted a publicly funded university. It not only creates a better citizen but a better worker. The same argument for single payer healthcare It provides a more healthy worker.

To label one type of general welfare spending big government while the other not simply because you don't agree I find disingenuous

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Voting for Bernie would be against my economic interests.

You are the only animal that needs to be exterminated.

Your are an economic retard. Should a health care provider's labor be stolen? Where are the incentives for progress?

You "Progressives" are idiots who fail to understand unintended consequences and human behavior.

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>tax funded basic healthcare for all by way of single payer combined with private clinics and doctors who have decided not to take government funds would be the best
Potentially, but not even the dems went for single payer when they had the chance. Between ACA and a free market approach, the free market approach will likely produce lower prices.

>communism
>my economic interests

I never have.
My state's and my own economic interests are very different from the NE USA's economic interests

I would not mind higher education being subsidized, however only if the individual can pass proficiency tests and if they fail out, reimburse the system.

>ameridumbs
>fuck the poor and minorities lol
>instead of helping fix the problem ignore it and then spend hours a day ranting about minorities and immigrants and how they are ruining the country on a Chinese cartoon board

It's like clockwork desu

I wish Bern man would have won so he could partially unfuck our corporate aristocracy

>To label one type of general welfare spending big government while the other not simply because you don't agree I find disingenuous
Why not give everyone food? Why not give everyone childcare? Vacations? Cars? Utilities?
All of these things create a better worker and America as a whole would benefit.

>the US has a retarded system that ends up in citizens paying more for healthcare than they would pay in taxes in a socialized country
Who fed you that lie? HuffPo?

I don't like it if they aren't doing it voluntarily. Like, I've donated things to charities (and will likely do so in the future) and I don't mind because it's my decision how my money gets spent.

I don't want to be forced to pay for "free" healthcare that big Bertha in Florida is going to abuse just because she's a lardass that doesn't want to work or exercise. I don't want to pay for the housing of spics and niggers either.

The healthcare provider's labor wouldn't be stolen, but compensated for by the government. That's what single payer is, it makes the government the insurance company.

>Potentially, but not even the dems went for single payer when they had the chance. Between ACA and a free market approach, the free market approach will likely produce lower prices.

The dems sold the soul of their party with the thirdway, they became republican light with respect to financial issues. The ACA at one point did have a government insurance option but that was stripped out. They couldn't get enough votes to get it passed with that involved.

> Between ACA and a free market approach, the free market approach will likely produce lower prices.
Every other modern country has produced lower prices with some form of public healthcare option. It is pointless to ignore that evidence.

Ideas like high risk pools are not really market based and yet the GOP is pushing them. Shifting the sick in one pool and the healthy in the other is just a way for the government to restrict the market and allow insurance companies to make huge profits of the healthy than jettison the patient when they become sick by raising the price till it becomes no longer affordable to purchase insurance.

It is intrusion into the marketplace to benefit the insurance companies instead of the average citizen. If you are going to interfere with the market it should be to the benefit of the average citizen

The GDP part is because poor states have large black populations(who are reliant on welfare.
>Pic related.

this.

Overspending to hire pharm reps (supermodels with college degrees) to peddle overpriced drugs to overpaid doctors is not a good system.

Cry more bernout

>I would not mind higher education being subsidized, however only if the individual can pass proficiency tests and if they fail out, reimburse the system.

The only caveat is I would provide no cost history and civics classes, but yes I can support something like that

>says that while posting bernie
You know, I am not from the US but having the money I worked for taken from me just to subsidize people who do not want to work or give it to less skilled and useful people so its """equal""" is not exactly my "economic interests"

>says the 30 year old Berni boi still mooching off of his parents

>Why not give everyone food? Why not give everyone childcare? Vacations? Cars? Utilities?

That was kind of the point. It shows that the big government talking point is a bunch of bullshit. We need to decided what we want as a society, what the government should do, and then how we fund it.

Just removing programs because government is too big is crazy. It is an argument you hear a lot, the government is to big but then people cant identify what is to big, they just say it spends too much and needs to be smaller. It makes for a good bumper sticker, but that is it

>Washington wanted a publicly funded university. It not only creates a better citizen but a better worker. The same argument for single payer healthcare It provides a more healthy worker.

We already have publicly funded universities.

It's not my fault that Bernies state has the second highest in state tuition in the country. If whatever is so expensive to them is so important to them they should fund it themselves instead of trying to launder the cost through the federal government.

Im also not opposed to single payer healthcare, IF we have reasonable immigration and border enforcement.

That one though isn't in my economic best interest, since all the mormon doctors who come back to Utah makes healthcare way cheaper here than the national average.

Automation isn't the fucking problem. The fact that you decided to learn a useless fucking skill doesn't entitle you to handouts. Fucking poor people. Everyfucking time.

why are the fags photoshopped to look better?

If you believe that its blacks and not undereducated workers in a technological economy then you are lost friend

>IF we have reasonable immigration and border enforcement.
I couldn't agree more. The whole immigration issue is disaster because immigrants have been made infants by the left. E-verify required for all jobs would be a good start. I would go so far as to fine companies who decided to knowingly hire an illegal and bypass e-verify. Remove the incentive to come then couple that with strong borders

issue becomes that the government will start putting in a bunch of bullshit stipulations in place and create a shit product.

If you can't afford healthcare you're fucking scum. Don't buy shit you can't afford and wear a fucking condom. Simple shit.

Because taking on more migrants so a banker can profit from it is not in my interest.

You honestly don't think automation is not an issue we are currently facing? We have removed a significant portion of manufacturing jobs, even if the factories relocated to the US they wouldn't employ the same amount of people. Transportation is going to be next, once we have sufficiently automated cars the entire trucking and transportation industry will be destroyed. Even mcdonalds is replacing their cashier with a robot.

We need to find a way to employ all these people, not everyone can be a genius tech worker. If a person wants to put in an honest days work he shouldn't be starving, we as a society need to address this problem now before it gets worse

I want you to process that statement

"automation isnt the problem" America has an undereducated workforce that cant transition from manual labor low skill level jobs to the modern jobs that pay well specifically anything related to the STEM field

with the elevated cost of college tuition prices you're locking millennials out of the market

Whether you like you believe it or not radical change has to happen in our education system to facilitate an ever changing economy thats moving away from factory work

>no man is an island
What the fuck does that matter

No man is a nigger either but you don't see me trying to expound some high brow bullshit argument off it

is that seinfeld?

I think you're missing my point.
Sure a lot of people who say "big government" are shallow and uneducated, but that doesn't mean it makes no sense. If the government is doing more than we decide it should do, then it is "big" and should be reduced by removing the programs that we don't want.
If any call to reduce government was considered stupid then eventually there would be nothing but government.

Stop politically aligning against your platform's interests

Why do conservashits want society and government to be irresponsible ?

>he thinks my economic interest is to pay for shitskins gorging on public services

>Damn, this socialist system is not working!
>Let's fix this with more socialism!
Karl Marx was right, socialism leads to Communism.

>What the fuck does that matter

It matters because hyper-individualism is just as dangerous complete communism. For any group of humans to survive we have to take care of each other. Yes we can debate the extent but anyone who makes the claim that they have never gotten anything from the government and is completely self made is a not being honest.

If people cant agree that everyone helps to some extent to take care of everyone else it is very difficult to have a discussion on the role of government

> America
> socialist

Trailer park inbred bogan cunt detected

seems like everyone hates social safety nets until they themselves are caught by one.

When you get up to 65, you won't want social security and medicare to disappear either, and if you were to become disabled, through an accident or onset of debilitating disease in your 40's or 50's, you wouldn't want SSDI to not be available for you.

>If I become old or disabled I'll just lay down and die to prevent taxpayers from having to financially help me
t. NOBODY FUCKING EVER.

Why do leftist retards expect their delusional concepts will magically work out if we elect an old Jew who couldn't stand up to 2 loud nigs?

Because governments that can give you stuff can also take it away, and you should always be responsible for your own wellbeing, even when it's something that might be out of your own hands or something that they themselves make harder to take responsibility for.

no we don't have to do shit. THEY have to find themselves a fucking career and train themselves in it. Learn how to repair the roboflippers. As automation increases maintenance positions increase. They're corelating factors. Sorry that the fucking dipshit sewing soccerballs or flipping patties isn't valued by society anymore.

Education is fucking free. You have access to every fucking piece of information ever recorded directly available on your phone. You have access to trillions of dollars of information at your fingertips yet your excuse is that school is too fucking expensive?
>but muh degree
It's not worth the paper its printed on. Several major companies including Google have made it public knowledge that they do not give a flying fuck about degrees. They want to see portfolios and track records.
If you're fucking stupid its your own damn fault. It's not the fucking government's responsibility to educate you, feed you, house you, or take care of your lame ass fucking dipshit kids.

My fucking kobo has more than 2000 books on it and it goes everywhere I go. There's no fucking excuse for being unemployed or uneducated in the 21st century.

Personal responsibility.

Name me 1 western country which is a true capitalist society. There isn't, social programs, food stamps, welfare etc.

>is just as dangerous complete communism.
Citation needed

>we have to take care of each other.
Termite mentality. There are enough people. I don't need to help Africans.

Trump did a good job distracting people from it, and the Democrats and media were too busy blaming Russia. Nothing's really changed, Trump is just another flavor or faction of establishment and the people are going to get fucked. Bernie is probably worse than Trump economically but at least the bankers really DO hate him.

>claim to be morally superior
>"don't vote against your economic interests, vote against someone else's"

really activates the spirit molecules.

>you should always be responsible for your own wellbeing,

society has never worked like that, even if you live in a small town hundreds of years ago it didn't work like that. People would help each other, many times for free. If you needed to cut down and move a tree you would ask your neighbors and they would help you. They didn't ask for something in return, you helped them because they were your neighbor and you may need help the next day.

People need each other.