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Ditch internet, start using flat spread wireless networks

>dude let the government regulate and internet it will be fine

We'll they called a Yale professor who wrote a book criticizing pseudo-intellectual culture "fiercely anti-intellectual" so I'm not really inclined to believe what untrusted media sources say

DESIGNATED

who was the professor?

Is it actually possible?

We fucked up bros

david gelertner, trumps new science advisor

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we're already used to shitposting on the internet, might as well designate it

>importing a designated to your internet

>KEK gave us Trump
>but in exchange we'll lose our soapbox
hmmm... well played KEK

Over regulation is what's allowing Comcast/TWC monopolies right now. It's literally legally impossible for competitors to invest in infrastructure in most areas.

Less regulation. Allow anyone to come in a day invest in infrastructure. Allow fiberoptic companies to lay down wire and rent it out.

>What's up fellow (((anons)))
>the corporations are bad at regulating things because they abuse their customers when all the major players collude, but isn't the government just as bad?!

Also, net neutrality is the opposite of government interference in the internet. It's the equivalent of the magma carta for Internet interference: no one, not even the government, can interfere with internet access or speeds unless it deals with the law

I mean look at how Comcast and Time warner fuck their customers raw on a monthly basis, why would you want those fucks in charge of what you get to see or have access to?

Washington Post is basically HuffPo at this point.
Time is a bit more objective in actual reporting, they called him an arch genius

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There is no money in that. The infrastructure should be publicly funded and controlled.

oh shut the fuck up you dumb fucking clod. you know nothing about what you are talking about it and everyone can fucking tell. the whole net neutrality movement is a reddit tier buzz word that is based on stopping a problem that doesn't exist, and even if it did, it has nothing to do with blocking or even charging extra for certain sites. it is based on stopping internet providers from selling higher speed and bandwidth internet to large companies for more money and retards like you who dont know anything about the subject think that even if they did do this, it would effect you negatively in any way.

Thank you based poo.

I can't deny that they shit in their customers mouths regularly but isn't net neutrality important? Or am I misinformed. I don't want to become reality

> government interference is worse than the free mar-

>internet providers receive huge sums of money from government
>spend it all on crap
>whine about it and introduce caps because bandwidth is limited
>cant introduce caps because customers are unhappy
>limit access to other websites and prioritize social media crap over others
>HURR DURR ITS A REDDIT BUZZWORD

Listen you dumb shit, if net neutrality dies, Sup Forums dies.

"net neutrality" is literally a trick and does effectively the opposite of what people seem to think it does. Being against "net neutrality" is a good thing.

what are you even fucking talking about you dumb nigger?
>internet providers receive huge sums of money from government
>spend it all on crap
>whine about it and introduce caps because
bandwidth is limited
do you not understand who controls the bandwidth you fucking retard?

Thats exactly what he's talking about though. Sure it's exaggerated to instill fear that they'll control what you have access to, but I wouldn't put it past companies like comcast to offer high speed tolls for websites they approve of. But then again it might make getting on Sup Forums more annoying and thus limiting the amount of idiocy I'd be masochistically subjecting myself to on a daily basis

>people have been tricked into thinking they need net neutrality when prior to it never existing said internet function great and you could get tons of free shit online with torrents

>We now have net neutrality and torrent culture on a normie scale is dead

Never ceases to amazing at how people act like Net Neutrality has always existed and ensured the existence of some kind of open internet when it's only existed since 2012/13 as policy.

>Sure it's exaggerated to instill fear that they'll control what you have access to, but I wouldn't put it past companies like comcast to offer high speed tolls for websites they approve of.
you. cant. change. the. speed. of. someones. internet. from. one. website. to. the. next
is this hard to understand?

Its only a thing because certain companies, like netflix, who use a shitload of bandwidth, want to keep being able to shit up the pipes with out isps charging them more.

The issue is that treating every packet equally really screws up a shitload of the way the internet is actually sustained. Things are routed around constantly and bandwidth needs are traded and swapped between the people who own the major infrastructure in a juggling act to keep everything flowing smoothly. The inability to selectively manage kinds of traffic screws that up royally and threatens to destabilize and slow the entire internet.

all that for about 70$. it's about what I pay for it right now so...

BANDWIDTH is limited, which is why it's fucking ALLOCATED when you pay your god damn bill.

Source: worked for 2 ISPs, had my own neighborhood ISP. You can't fucking have data caps these days unless your bandwidth is limited by natural resources, such as radio frequency allocations (mobile).

Also, if I told you you can call your insurance providers by phone and get through without waiting, while calling your mom will take 30 minutes of waiting, would you get pissed?

>magma carter

>basher ate poo

>college tuition, healthcare, and childcare, the three things Obama administration fucked with the most, are the worst
>things the government doesn't regulate heavily are outperforming inflation
Are you retarded?

what is at risk if he becomes gets the position?

>Also, if I told you you can call your insurance providers by phone and get through without waiting, while calling your mom will take 30 minutes of waiting, would you get pissed?
DEAR GOD YOU DENSE CUNT YOU LITERALLY CANNOT CHANGE THE BANDWIDTH FROM ONE INSTANCE TO ANOTHER. YOU LITERALLY CANT

An example of this:

You do not need packets for a web page at anywhere near as high a priority as a streaming video.

They can delay a page load by a few hundred miliseconds and nobody is going to notice at all. But a video game? Youtube? It could cause lag or buffering.

Now thanks to 'net neutrality' your shitposts are of equal priority of your porn, and if this reply causes someones stream to freeze right on some dudes asshole its tough luck :^)

how did Obama fuck with tuition?

I'm afraid I can't understand what you're getting at due to your incoherent yelling on a taiwanese sandcastle forum.

>Now thanks to 'net neutrality' your shitposts are of equal priority of your porn, and if this reply causes someones stream to freeze right on some dudes asshole its tough luck :^)
I don't care. My porn is more valuable than some fucker's CoD game. Don't care. I've paid for my shit, now fuck off.

Trump on Internet regulation: "I have a son. He's 10 year old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it's unbelievable! His fingers on that thing, fast like lightning!"

do countries like japan or korea treat all packets equally? I was under the impression that we overpaid here for a slower, worse infrastructure, while they just had a more high tech setup that still treated packets equally.

what does it feel like to know that you live in the most un relevant country in existence?

Not an argument, don't care.

SHITTING

I just googled it and they do maintain net neutrality while providing a service much better than ours for much cheaper.

Your points are shit and if you're mad about anything it should be the lack of progress in america.

Statistics are from 1996 to 2016 and the trends are almost linear. How can you say it is Obama's fault?

>packets for a web page at anywhere near as high a priority as a streaming video.

What is QoS monitoring?

You Americans have no idea what you have done Jews are nothing compared to pai oh lord they are a different level of mafia

No one says a single word about deregulation of infrastructure
Its only and exclusively about ability of current ISPs to fuck their customers even further in the currect cosy environment

Yes what about he billions of dollars the isp got in tax cuts since the 80s to upgrade to a fibre network?

based

>AEI
>trustworthy

Doesn't matter. The good, good corporations are only looking out for our best interests. The CEO of Comcast doesn't seek wealth, only that your internet connectivity is top notch.

Not him but giving niggers endless grants/loans for classes they show up to a couple of times inflates the price of tuition drastically.

Based TV industry

why did the trend not change with his presidency?

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net neutrality is garbage. go ahead and turn off qos at your house on your router if you like net neutrality.

Why would it?

>poo skin in charge of the internet

KEK
>he uses QoS

kek

Glad I'm not the only one who spotted that.

>His fingers on that thing, fast like lightning
Thats what your mom said, too

I think you guys fail to understand the way internet traffic works on a global scale. Large backbones are constantly making instantaneous, real time, deals with each other to help balance the load. There will literally be people on a phone, to call other people, and come to an instant impromptu agreement to shuffle traffic around for better overall network stability and performance.

To do this you need to be able to single out various kinds of traffic. Net neutrality makes this much more difficult because now you have less control and selectivity of what you send where

>government interference in the internet is the opposite of government interference in the internet

wut

Net Neutrality means several things. Without net neutrality two major things can (and probably will) happen.

First, your ISP is going to sell you an internet package and you'll need to choose what parts of the internet you want to access. The more you want to access, the more you pay. Similar to how cable TV is sold to you.

Second, your ISP can make deals with businesses for preferential treatment. What this means is something like Google can pay your ISP to be the only search engine you can use. It means Facebook could pay your ISP and now the only social media website you can access is Facebook.

At the end of the day, this means you will be paying more to access the same internet you have now, but depending on what deals your ISP strikes up, parts of the internet will not be accessible to you.
ISPs cannot do this right now, but without net neutrality they can, and they've been trying to get rid of net neutrality for a long, long time (because it'd be much more profitable to them).

We have something called optical Fibre pretty neat concept read about it.

kek time to pay a gorillion dollars for internet

Except by giving the FCC the internet you open it up to goverment regulations that can't be vote on or out. They could have passed those regulations without the FCC attached, but they wouldn't and didn't. Does that not tell you anything?

we elected trump and now he is going to ban us

>he's going to free us

ftfy

>its a Sup Forums HAS to agree with trump on every single position episode
what happened to this board? just because you support trump doesn't mean you have to support him on every single issue, especially on an issue that is extremely important to Sup Forums and the internet as a whole. You're only supporting giving the already powerful cartel of major internet companies even more power to fuck people in the ass, no big deal. These companies totally haven't gotten hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer money to upgrade systems and totally squandered it.

Kek is, dare I say /ourtrickstergod/?

No, but you can throttle them.

Absolute bullshit.

Net neutrality is the content providers trying to use the government to force the network providers to subsidize them.

net neutrality wasn't even fcc policy in the united states before February 2015. Did your bullshit scenario exist then.

I have been in the internet industry since 94, and here is what you need to know about net neutrality.

It doesn't affect you as an end user.

It is the large content providers (google, facebook, netflix, etc.) and the large network providers (at&t, comcast, etc.) trying to get the government to tilt the scales in their favor.

You want to know why all you read online has is fear mongering about how without net neutrality the ISP's will charge you for everything? Because the big content providers control the content that is published.

Tinfoil hat much?

>trying to get rid of for a long long time
what do you mean? its only been around for a short period of time.

In essence net neutrality is just a way to give the FCC authority to sneak in sopa/pipa style activities which it can now.

People are literally cheering what is essentially the same thing they fought to prevent because it was rebranded and spun a different way.

I've been reading about ISPs trying to do away with net neutrality for over a decade now. You're talking out of your ass.

Without net neutrality only one thing happens. We pay more money for internet access (or you get less of it). That is all. ISPs make more money off of you for offering the same service. They are a business and this is all that matters to them at the end of the day.

>ISPs cannot do this right now, but without net neutrality they can.

Okay, then. Lets assume you're right. Why hasn't this happened before net neutrality was initiated a few years ago? Why is this suddenly on the verge of happening now, but all those years before there was no such threat?

Bandwidth capacity has nothing to do with how said capacity is used.

>Net Neutrality killed
>Trump tells AT&T he'll only approve their Time Warner takeover if they charge $1000/month to access CNN, NYT & WaPo

it did happen, AoL tried it

The term net neutrality has been around since 2003. It is not a new concept and it has always been governed by common carrier laws.

You should consider reading up on common carrier laws.

And how well are they doing now? Don't you think a similar fate could fall upon another company that tries such oppressive tactics?

They did!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_States#Violations

regulations are just laws without representation. do you think the internet provider lobbyists had your best interests in mind when they got this stuff drafted without any oversight?

Congratulations, you're retarded.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_States

Without net neutrality, youtube and netflix will have to negotiate directly with at&t, charter, & comcast instead of bribing the government to bypass the free market.

thanks trumpkins

oh , let's watch them deny this one

that's the problem though, the remaining companies are all in a cartel and agree to not undercut each other. If they all do it at once, the majority of americans are fucked.

Net neutrality isn't fucking with the internet, its keeping the ISPs from fucking with the internet.

the potential raping you'd recieve from ISPs if NN was removed, even the Muslims would be horrified

They believe it is the same as "protect free discussion on the internet." in practice, the net neutrality rules simply prevent isp's from doing a few things that would greatly improve internet services (particularly streaming). It's possible to allow private "fast lanes" for some services AND to protect free discussion at the same time, of course, but that's too complicated for most retards to process.

So are you trying to tell me we have limited bandwidth capacity? Cause the companies isp buy their Internet from have no such problem gee I wonder who Is creating these problems

The internet was not classified as a common carrier in the US until 2015

yes, good goy.. let the ISPs lobby for your internet regulations....

yeah. remember how bad the ISP's were raping people before the FCC imposed net neutrality back in febuary 2015?

My god, my ISP used to charge me a quarter for every shitpost. Thank god those days are over.

Global traffic doesnt care about the quality of your specific local fiber. We are talking about the really big tubes, everyones porn goes through them.

then how about they come out and do that? instead they want a sweeping repeal of the whole thing without any protections for anything else? why they don't is because they can make a profit off of fucking everyone over.

And what are the chances of that happening? Cartels dont last log because of the same greed you all talk about. If every company is doing it, that means any company that does not is poised to win over a ton of customers. Eventually, companies will break the cartel in order to grab all the dissatisfied customers.

Yes and no small company will be able to set its foot in the market so much for that free market