Friends of mine seem to be very anti-gun and hypothesize that making concealed carry/open carry legal will lead to more murders and general paranoia.
One of them said that people should be allowed to defend themselves, but doesn't like the idea of citizens using guns or knives to do so.
What do you think, Sup Forums? I don't know much about guns, but their hypothesis seemed kind of silly considering people would normally be trained to handle their weapons and know when to draw them.
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I lived in the states for 15 years, in a "Stand your Ground" state.
Never saw a shoot out, was threatened once with a gun from some asshole from Texas for just doing my job (Worked at a haunted house and most of the time my job was to scare passersby) but my manager grabbed the .44 from behind the desk and held him at gun point on the ground until cops showed up.
Good times. Now I'm in shitdick Canada
Gee I dunno why don't you just look at the fucking statistics?
Yeah, this is the typical view of the average europoor socialist who can't understand life is possible without having the state litterally probing his asshole at all times.
The thing is, up until WW2, there were few to no gun control in most euro countries. Take France for example, up until 1939 when socialists suddenly decide to ban all guns (to prevent any resistance against the nazis whom they had already planned to surrender to beforehand, most likely), there was no gun control whatsoever. You could go to any gun shop or even order guns from a magazine and get it in your mail. Any weapon was available, including machine guns and military canons, and you could carry anything you wanted, whether concealed or openly. And no one gave a fuck.
Up until the 90's we had supermarkets selling guns and ammo, up until 2003 we had Decathlon selling guns and ammo. Up until 1995 you could buy a semi-auto rifle in a civilan caliber like .222 or a pump action shotgun in a matter of minutes, you only needed to be over 18 and there was no registration.
And suddenly leftards decided all of this had to be changed, pump action shotguns got banned, and we needed a license and/or authorization to buy any gun or ammo. And they are all systematically registered in a government file (even though those files are technically illegal).
And nowadays that guns are long and annoying as fuck to get, our dear leftards once again went to the EU and are pushing another gun ban for march. Now semi-automatics are going to be banned, amongst others.
It's funny how people nowadays can't even imagine that life existed before they were born. Whenever you mention gun rights to French people, they start arguing that allowing anyone to buy a gun would trigger a civil war and mass murders (even though history has proven that it wasn't the case, far from it) and that guns have always been banned (they think they already are), so France doesn't have a gun culture.
I don't know enough about Beligum to say.
Guns in the hands of the people is power to the people. If the people are stupid retards, you get a bad outcome. If they're like the swiss, it's a good one.
Consider who is doing the murdering and violent crime in belgium as well.
>Good times. Now I'm in shitdick Canada
Are you being held against your will?
Blink twice for yes, once for no, we will send a team to extract you.
luv them
Oh shit, so because it has been that way since they became adults, they don't think it was any different before that, so history is basically invalid, even if it was only a few decades ago?
Suddenly we're forgetting that France pushed many of the technological advances in light weaponry, and that our fucking declaration of the rights of man and of the citizen, which is hailed by leftards up this day, had the following article in an earlier draft :
"Every citizen has the right to own weapons at home and use them, either for common defense, his own defense, against any illegal agression which would put in jeopardy the life, members or freedom of one or several citizens"
Tl;dr : leftists are fucking imbecile with a non-functionning brain, who don't know shit about history including very recent one, and don't bother with facts and logics, only with their feelings and projection. Who would have thought?
The statistics in civilized nations are very clear.
More legal gun ownership = more safe.
>Yeah, this is the typical view of the average europoor socialist who can't understand life is possible without having the state litterally probing his asshole at all times.
>The thing is, up until WW2, there were few to no gun control in most euro countries. Take France for example, up until 1939 when socialists suddenly decide to ban all guns (to prevent any resistance against the nazis whom they had already planned to surrender to beforehand, most likely), there was no gun control whatsoever. You could go to any gun shop or even order guns from a magazine and get it in your mail. Any weapon was available, including machine guns and military canons, and you could carry anything you wanted, whether concealed or openly. And no one gave a fuck.
>Up until the 90's we had supermarkets selling guns and ammo, up until 2003 we had Decathlon selling guns and ammo. Up until 1995 you could buy a semi-auto rifle in a civilan caliber like .222 or a pump action shotgun in a matter of minutes, you only needed to be over 18 and there was no registration.
>And suddenly leftards decided all of this had to be changed, pump action shotguns got banned, and we needed a license and/or authorization to buy any gun or ammo. And they are all systematically registered in a government file (even though those files are technically illegal).
>And nowadays that guns are long and annoying as fuck to get, our dear leftards once again went to the EU and are pushing another gun ban for march. Now semi-automatics are going to be banned, amongst others.
>It's funny how people nowadays can't even imagine that life existed before they were born. Whenever you mention gun rights to French people, they start arguing that allowing anyone to buy a gun would trigger a civil war and mass murders (even though history has proven that it wasn't the case, far from it) and that guns have always been banned (they think they already are), so France doesn't have a gun culture.
True
Well globalist banned guns in your country for a reason, they dont want a civil war to happen
That's what I told them too.
However, they seem to be stuck with the notion that legal carrying on the streets would be like a western, in the sense that everyone's squinting at eachother and waiting for the others to draw.
As some of you may know, Australia has some of the shittiest gun laws on the planet. We have much better gun laws, my only gripe being we're not allowed to have them for self defense. Australians claim that were they to adopt gun laws like ours, there would be school shootings all the time. Still waiting for that to happen here.
Fear of guns is excessive. I'm a licensed gun owner myself, never would shoot anyone with a gun and I own them purely for hunting and target shooting. Liberals claim "oh (insert person) can do this so long as it doesn't hurt me", well, why can the same not be said for law abiding gun owners?
It has nothing to do with Globalism it's the end result of the Cold War paranoia. Both the Commies and Anti Commies destroyed the freedoms of their people in an attempt to stop the other from taking over.
Nobody won that fucking war especially when you look at modern US
>people should be allowed to defend themselves, but doesn't like the idea of citizens using guns or knives to do so
so you are only allowed to defend yourself if you are stronger than your attackers
Wow, would you look at that?
It seems that counties with low rates of firearms ownership have much higher rates of homicide than those with a high rate of ownership.
But muh Sandy Hook!
That's because they're projecting leftists. They know they wouldn't be safe and responsible and therefore they assume no one else can be either, and they wish to reduce the populace to the lowest common denominator.
But it is, just look at france and their immigration, the people cant stop that, they cant stop french policies, only a with guns they can do something
It appears that gun control measures in the UK have had the effect of increasing the homicide rate. How shocking.
and your attackers come at you one at a time
Yes. That, or pepper spray.
One of them is pretty right-wing, and the other is just an edgelord. Edgelord assumed that because people are stupid, they would kill eachother on the street. I don't think this is a "leftist" thing, I just think they're stupid.
>One of them said that people should be allowed to defend themselves, but doesn't like the idea of citizens using guns or knives to do so.
We just need to restore masculinity in society and make murder legal but only if you can kill the person in a fist fight.
legal access to available weaponry is a human right, teach shooting in high school and you greatly reduce the problems
Realistically the biggest threat is being jumped by groups of niggers. You need a gun to resolve that.
Find new friends. And while you're at it, you might as well find a new country. Belgium is fucked.
knives arent even a good self defense weapon
M8 the more I look at the world the less I see outside influence and the more I see inner stupidity and malice.
As for the French doing something, if they really gave a single flying fuck about their own nation they would suffer martyrdom considering what is happening. But nope as long as they get their Baguettes, Cheese and Wine the Frenchman will do nothing.
Paranoid people say stupid things like, "I would be so concerned/unsafe if I knew there were people carrying guns around me"
In America, people are carrying guns around you. All the time, and you simply don't know it. For this reason, among others, you treat people with respect because they very well may be able to end your life in a second.
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I agree with knives, if only because statistically you're more likely to be injured.
In fact, virtually anything but acquiescing will generally result in greater injury to your self.
Everything except using firearms.
They're considered equalizers for a reason, and there is likely more to glean from the sort of statistics I am referring. Predators prey on the weak. Someone who attempts to defend themselves with any sort of implement that demands physical superiority isn't going to help someone who was already targeted because they were perceived weak. A gun - might. It still requires some amount of training in knowing at what point to use such a device, but women are generally absent any other alternative.
Don't like guns? y u misogynist tho
Who gives a shit, you'll all be beheaded by Achmed and friends soon
the fallacy is the assumption that all gun owners are created equally.
Guns are a responsibility and you need to both maintain them and youre ability to use them.
People assume that because people own guns that they know how to use them and this is simply not true.
In an honest to god self defence scenario I would guess that maybe half of gun owners are actually up to the task without being a liability to both themselves and the people around them.
while I understand the arguement for open carry. it makes the general public understandably nervous. I watched a guy with a ripped shirt open carry into a convience store. could anyone blame me for walking the other way. its a silly law that encourages paranoia.