How do we fight such leftist false information?

How do we fight such leftist false information?

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Didn't Obama get 8 trillion a year in spending and fucking waste all of it each year

>what are Republican-led House of Representatives

Trump will end deficits all together. We will have amazing surpluses every year and the national debt drastically reduced.

Obama has the largest deficit at 7.3 trillion, more than twice that of George W. the only way you can consider it a lower of a deficit is if you take his first year and last year and compare them, but the truth is Obama's administration was the absolute worst administration in dealing with debt.

The guy who came before starting two 5 trillion dollar wars and crashing the economy probably didn't help.

why does Bill look like a reptoid in that pic?

>republicans set things up so that the deficit goes down
>democrats spend lodsemone on gibs while claiming the deficit went down since the last presidency
>next president has to clean up
>repeat

t-thanks

Obama spent more money that ALL OTHER PRESIDENTS COMBINED. By your nigger logic Trump will have to maintain Obama's shitty fiscal policies because his predecessor set it up that way for him.

How does Trump fix this cluster fuck?
Can it even be fixed at this point?

>Muh budget deficit
Liberals sure love using that one. Too bad they have no idea what it means.

lower taxes = lower state revenue = higher deficit

this. worldwide

1) Obama didn't lower the deficit
2) Neither did any of the other Democrats in the last 50 years according to this image

congress lowers the deficit not presidents

lrn to Sup Forumsitics

>not adjusting for inflation
>not adjusting for GDP
>not taking growth into consideration
>being this much of a nigger

Ever heard the little factoid that there are asteroids that contain tens of trillions of mineral wealth? Suppose we could get to them in some economical way. The national debt starts seeming quite small very quickly.

Is it possible to build a space elevator today?

Yes:

youtube.com/watch?v=0qezLhypA0Y

The key idea is the Orbital Ring version of the space elevator, not the geosynchronous tether concept you are familiar with.

See, for example, Paul Birch's writings:

orionsarm.com/fm_store/OrbitalRings-I.pdf

The orbital ring only requires tethers about 300 kilometers long which is technically feasible with common material like steel, but ridiculously straightforward with better and already available material like kevlar.

Presidents don't lower deficits. Congress does.

The best years of Clinton's presidency were with a Republican Congress.

Deficit=/=debt you fucking retard

Obama and Democraps raise taxes?
So why hasn't it gone down then?

There are some important questions. First, how much would it cost to do something like this?

We need to send about 160 million kilograms of material into space (See Birch's boot strap estimates in part 2: orionsarm.com/fm_store/OrbitalRings-II.pdf)

We have rockets available at $2000/kg costs to LEO today in "mass production" mode, which is only about 10-20 launches per year. Compared with the couple thousand launches necessary for a space elevator, $2000 is an unreasonably high upper bound for launch costs.

We also need to include the cost of materials. A space elevator is about 98% steel and aluminum, 1% kevlar, and 1% other such as superconducting magnets. Most of the mass (98%) cost around $1/kg, with an average cost per kilogram of no more than about $10 per kilogram.

Summing the above up, we get about $430 billion in launch costs plus another $1-2 billion in material costs.

In other words, we can have a space elevator for less than $450 billion - significantly less than one year worth of DoD spending, one bank bailout, many times less than a variety of pointless wars, etc. This is well within our reach financially in other words.

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What do we get in return for this $450 billion investment?

Virtually unlimited value. For example, with a space elevator we can reliably launch our nuclear waste into the sun. We've spent $100 billion building a waste repository in Nevada, but it was ultimately decided not to even use it. Now it costs only a dollar or two per kilogram to get rid of all of the nuclear waste in the world.

Second, we have immediate access to viable asteroid mining industry. Because the cost of delivering payloads to LEO drops to about $1/kilogram, we can not retrieve asteroids with trillions of dollars worth of minerals for mere tens millions of dollars in addition to having an easy viable way of returning those resources back to the surface.

We acquire the ability to deploy profitable solar power in orbit above cloud cover and with the ability to return said power back to the surface with near zero loss by running power transmission cables down the elevator.

Just how profitable?

With increased luminosity in space, enhanced exposure time, and the ability to deliver base loads, solar panels pay for themselves in only 1-2 years while having a 20 year life time.

In other words, if you put $5 trillion of solar panels into space, you get your $5 trillion back by the end of year two and a $5 trillion income stream each year thereafter.

In other words, the US could cut everyone's taxes, both personal and business, income, capital, death, or otherwise, all to 0%, not even cut any benefits or current spending, and pay off the national debt within a decade.

>lowering the deficit by increasing the national debt

It should already be obvious that the entirety of the political debate spectrum is cointelpro.

Are taxes too high or too low? Irrelevant, we don't actually need taxes.

Is social spending bankrupting us? Irrelevant, we can retire the national debt without cutting spending all while having no tax whatsoever.

What does this have to do with taking the red pill?

We've had the technological ability to undertake such a project for decades.

That means all the squabbling you have heard your entire life, money, debt, spending, taxes, scarcity, whatever, is all bullshit. Not only is it bullshit, anyone with rudimentary knowledge of the world has known that it is all bullshit for all of this time.

In other words, once you come to understand the such a project is and has been technically feasible for decades, you have to reevaluate many things.

Why is there nothing of this in the conspiracy media? They are not really trying to expose or solve any problems. One hundred percent of it is cointelpro. From the Young Turks to Infowars or whatever, they are all completely full of shit because solutions to our problems not only exist, are easy to carry out, but this has been the case for a very long time.

Similarly, you now know that 20%+ annual GDP growth is possible. If Trump gives you 3-4% instead of Obama's 2%, he is simply working with the establishment to try to placate and subvert a rising tide. If we see the easily achievable 20%+ growth rates, it is at least possible that he isn't a subversive. Anything less and you know he is a fraud.

Imagine alll of the nations that want the US in depbt...imagine if it would ever be allowed to happen

look at the graph of Obama "lowering the deficit". The deficit was only really high after the big economic crisis, and in the Obama years since it slowly went down, but still above pre-crisis Bush levels.

So it was gonna go down anyway, you can't really say he did a good job of bringing it down because the deficit is still pretty high and he doubled the debt. They're cherry picking facts dishonestly to make a case.

One day liberals will understand that congress is the one that makes America's budget and agrees on where to spend it.

> Increases the national debt by almost 10 trillion

What the hell sort of lie do you have to create to try and include Obama in that image?

So the shity economy , bloated debt and fucked deficits isn't Obama's fault?

It's ridiculously difficult to lower debt with extreme deficits.

higher taxes but higher government spending (bigger government) more spending on shit like obama care etc.

meant for

But its true you fucking moron.

AT BEST Republican politicians stimulate unsustainable short term economic growth - usually through deregulation that trigger recession.

Also, you can't effectively lower the deficit without raising taxes. Forget about providing basic fucking services and look at the finances of the country.

Pay your fucking taxes you cucks.

So how do, or I should say. How does Trump fix this cluster fuck?

>lowering the deficit
>good

How about demoshits take a look at the national debt.

He'll make it worse, don't worry.

Lowering deficits is the first step to decreasing debt user.

Why are you so sure this #i'mwithher user?

Bill Clinton didn't lower the deficit. Newt Gingrich did. Literally everything positive about Bill Clinton can be attributed to the Republicans who forced him, kicking and screaming, to not spend trillions of dollars. Too bad for Bill Clinton's legacy that all of the politicians were too busy sucking Wall Street's dick--his economy would have gone down as the best in modern times.

Barack Obama didn't "lower the deficit". He ran higher deficits than any other president in history. Unless you mean how he raised taxes to cover for the massive spending he did, and STILL ran record-breaking deficits.

Occupy Democrats are either some of the most cynical or the most stupid people alive.

I'm with no one. I just say it as I see it.

>Zero evidence backing it up

Another abhorrent leaf post.

Both Presidents Bush and Obama suffered from higher mandatory spending than their predecessors did. Social Security and Medicare benefits eating up more of the budget. That's because health care costs were rising as the American population aged. In 2010, Obama launched the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. It sought to reduce health care spending. That would lower the debt by $143 billion by 2020.

Are you going to get a grant for this?

Just so I have this right in my head:

>Government borrows x dollars. This is national debt.
>Y amount of this is spent on whores and drugs (whatever - i don't know what governments buy).
>Government generates Z dollars through whatever means (taxes, I guess)
>Deficit is difference between Y and Z

What I'm confused about is where does the difference between X and Y go? Government borrows a bunch, but only a portion of that amount is calculated as part of the deficit formula?

Any money/government spnding savvy anons here?

>That would lower the debt by $143 billion by 2020.
>20+ Trillion in debt
>Lower it by a measly 140 billion
Fuck sakes user that's like tossing a Sponge in the Ocean and saying it'd dry it up.

>presidents control the budget.

This imperial presidency meme needs to end.

Clinton was a great president, undeniably.

Obama will go down as one of the worst US Presidents in history.

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but their claim to lowering the deficit is disingenuous, see

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impossible
because it is fact

It slightly lowered costs from one part of the budget and massively increased costs in another part of the budget. Much of the budget increases from ARRA were being directed to ACA programs because the foundations were collapsing after only two years. Don't be an unaware retard.

The ACA was nothing more than a scam to increase profits by removing the burden of healthcare from companies and putting it on the back of the government. Anyone who believes that it was done for anybody other than the Wall Street stooges is a hopeless idiot.

wait. HOW THE FUCK did obama lower the deficit?

He doubled a federal debt in 8 years which took this country 200+ years to accumulate. He accumulated more debt then reagan, bush, clinton, bush combined.

Unless they're claiming he lowered the deficit from the EXPLOSIVELY huge one he made in his first two years with that stimulus package, then all he did was cut back on his own drunken spending.

>mfw I actually know an american SJW that believes the Berlin wall was a wall around Auschwitz

wasn't the berlin wall built in the 60's

ITT Sup Forums being retarded as per usual.

Deficit is to debt as velocity is to position.

Deficit is how much the government's budget is in the red. Which in modern times means that we just borrow more. Don't make it so complicated. Most government functions are not nearly as complicated as they're made to sound, unless they're doing something shady.

I don't blame you though. Obama didn't help the image of complicated government functions during the debt crisis, when he started blabbering about the "debt ceiling" (which was basically a hard cap on his spending that would force new budgets... guess who removed? LOL).

>Unless they're claiming he lowered the deficit from the EXPLOSIVELY huge one he made in his first two years with that stimulus package, then all he did was cut back on his own drunken spending.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY MEAN LMFAO

Occupy Democrats is either cynical or retarded. I swear.

But the "democratic" forces were the ones who built that?

Obama didn't lower any deficits except the one he created: from astronomical to massive.

You're the fucking retard. Thank you for your pointless analogy.

Thought you were the Obama leaf for a second. *phew*

Sorted.
Deficit is essentially the rate at which you're accruing debt.
Debt is the accumulated amounts of deficit (positive or negative) over any given period of time (in this case, since the government was formed, I assume).

I'll leave this here for anyone else who hadn't really ever payed attention to this stuff and is kinda slow like me. Hope it helps.

>Equilibrium tax on buisness, Enough Money for Investing and for Welfare
>Gov' regulations cap the amount of cash a buisness can accrue, deregulation raises the cap except for a few theories on protectionism and raising the minimum wage
>Less government spending,

>Obama
>Lower the deficit
So Occupy Democrats have given up twisting the truth and have resorted to outright lies then? Good to know

[citation needed]

>leaf

the deficit adds to the debt you fucking gumby

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/U.S._Total_Deficits_vs._National_Debt_Increases_2001-2010.png

It's a good cause. Let him meme it some more.

This shithead started an unnecessary war that plugged us trillions of dollars in debt, killed millions of people, and inspired other terrorists groups.

Seriously, get fucked and take responsibility for your own retarded kind for just once.

>memepedia
unironically kys