Since the donald is now the president, shouldn't we start a petition on whitehouse.org pushing for stronger immigration laws than he already is proposing? He seems pretty malleable, and if he sees that a lot of people sign a petition, he might enact policies.
I say we demand a changing of the wording of the 1965 immigration act to only include people from "western countries" only. That would be western europe, canada, australia, new zealand, japan, and south korea. These countries roughly are the ones that have the combination of low corruption, high standard of living, and tradition of democracy that the united states aspires to. This list would be good since it includes nonwhite countries, so you couldn't pull the ethnonationalist card, and you could say that it isn't the skin color of the people that are entering the country that is the problem, but the culture that they bring with them.
> immigration act to only include people from "western countries" only. That would be western europe, canada, australia, new zealand, japan, and south korea
Problemo numero uno, hombre: >Who is considered European?
>Why not restrict immigration to Western Europe again?
(((They))) flooded Europe with shitskins. This way if we go back to the previous law they'll move a mass of shitskins from Europe to the US.
Which is why I tell pure Ethnonationalists >You know and I know that a Black Swede or a Turkish Finn is an oxymorin >However, politicians and the text of the law do not make the same distinctions between White Europeans and Europeans of other races. They just see people from Europe >It is thus important that we add elements to the new immigration system, such as no family reunification, "extra vetting", highly meritocratic "labor integration" etc. >Combine this with domestic efforts to "make the people feel safe in their communities" >Combine this with foreign efforts, esp with Russia, to bring order and strongmen into the Mideast, and sort out the shit proxy wars >Combine with with pushing Europe to get stricter policing, border patrol, immigration, deportation, and repatriation programs
Anthony Lewis
Want me to commence the usual dump while I'm at it?
Nathan Morgan
Doing it anyway to keep it bumped while I try to make this petition.
Before 1965, the United States was 85% white. Today, racial and ethnic minorities make up one-third of the population. Before 1965, the immigrant stream was largely European. Today, most new arrivals to this country come from Mexico, China and India. The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, also known as the Hart–Celler Act, changed the way quotas were allocated by ending the National Origins Formula that had been in place in the United States since the Emergency Quota Act of 1921. >Previous laws restricted immigration from Asia and Africa, and gave preference to northern and western Europeans over southern and eastern Europeans. In the 1960s, the United States faced both foreign and domestic pressures to change its nation-based formula. Abroad, former military allies and new independent nations aimed to delegitimize discriminatory immigration, naturalization and regulations through international organizations like the United Nations Senator Ed Kennedy claimed: >The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs." (U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Immigration and Naturalization of the Committee on the Judiciary, Washington, D.C., Feb. 10, 1965. pp. 1-3.) After Kennedy's assassination, President Lyndon Johnson signed the bill , the bastard who destroyed the west.
Kevin Morales
Timeline: >1921 Emergency Quota Act establishes National Origins Formula to slow down immigration from outside Western Europe >1964 White percentage of USA - 88.6% >1965 Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 AKA Hart-Celler Passes, eliminating quotas and requirement that immigration mainly come from Western Europe, and introducing family reunification or "chain migration". >1970 White percentage of USA - 87.7% >1976 President Carter Backs 'Legitimate Status' for Nation's Long-Time Illegal Immigrants or "Undocumented Workers" >1980 Presidential contenders George HW Bush and Ronald Reagan debate who will be more 'humane' to the 'family-loving people' counter-signaling 'putting up a fence' and 'make it possible for them to come here legally on a work permit' and to 'open the border both ways' >1986 Ronald Reagan signs the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 aka into law. It allowed '3 million people in the country illegally to gain legal status' aka granted amnesty. It's restrictions, that it "required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status, and made it illegal to hire or recruit illegal immigrants knowingly" were never sufficiently enforced, and were never intended to be sufficiently enforced. Americans would together outnumber non-Hispanic White Americans
Cameron Foster
>1990 Immigration Act (IMMACT) signed by George H. W. Bush, immigration cap increased to ~625,000 This act expanded the number of family-based immigration visas allotted per year to 480,000 but to do this it also made the definition of family more exclusive by limiting it to immediate family members Introduced the Diversity Immigrant Visa "a new, important facet of the amendment that had never been instituted in national immigration policy before. "Starting in 1991, every year the Attorney General, decides from information gathered over the most recent five year period the regions or country that are considered High Admission or Low Admission States" " >1996 Bill Clinton signs the IIRAIRA, instituting some greater border security, deportations, and restrictions, but largely security theater and ineffective. 40 mile border fence installed. >2016 White percentage of USA in 2016 - 63.0% >2042 At the current rate, White people not referring to themselves as Hispanic will no longer be a majority but rather only a plurality of the population of the United States. Minority groups, led by Hispanic Americans (mainly Mexican Americans), Black Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, and Pacific Islanders
>REQUIRED WATCHING AND READING PART 2 >Some ideas floating around pastebin.com/uqbx3ibd pastebin.com/WEPnW2eQ >Some Jewish elements to mass immigration realjewnews.com/?p=50 kevinmacdonald.net/immigration.pdf youtube.com/watch?v=7wnjFvrisaM >How the Jews Opened America's Borders >The wages narative The big 'Why?': Why were federal agents provocateur infiltrating and smashing Black Nationalist and White Separatist movement from the 50s to the 80s? Why was union desegregation pushed so heavily? Why do modern union heads support mass immigration and amnesty? Mass Migration Driving Down Wages archive.fo/0igxb Increasing the Supply of Labor Through Immigration: Measuring the Impact on Native-born Workers archive.fo/ZeuQX All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants Number of U.S.-born not working grew by 17 million archive.fo/MdITh Mass immigration drives down wages to the LCD, and provides jobs for an army of social workers and rent seekers.
Charles Martin
I'm going to start listing some narratives I've succesfully used on normie Levin/Limbaugh/Hannity/Stossel conservatives and Libertarians: Careful, though, these are just for providing some insight into a different point of view, not an endgame. We do not meet them halfway. We do not ultimately capitulate. The name of the game is get them to our side.
>"root and branch": weak roots lead to sickly branches This is more geared toward normie conservatives that don't want to hear about the heritability of cognitive and behavioral traits, so the idea is the """"culture"""" is rotten, and so to may be the people that come from there. E.g. >Brazil >Deep in the roots of corruption, neptotism, "anti-capitalism", fatherlessness, increasing godlessness >Leads to the current """"liberal"""" problems it faces today >Leads to branches such as crime, proverty, moral decay, drug use >Transplanting some branches to a different tree is not the same as fixing the problems at the root >"insurance pool vs charity" a country needs to be run like the former not the latter, taking into account different aggregate risks The idea is >An insurance company can only take in a limited amount of people into its risk pool >A nation can only take in a limited amount of people before carrying capacity is reached >An insurance company looks at factors such as income, credit score health risks, whether one falls into a high or low risk age/sex group etc to make sure premiums are paid often and on time, while it pays out as minimally as possible >A nation should similarly look at factors such as welfare usage, birth rates, crime rates, etc vs how much certain groups pay in taxes
Liam Murphy
>"cheaper to help 10 over there than 1 over here" >"carrying capacity is limited; if we limit by quantity we thus have to limit by qualifiers" >"brain drain from the third world worsens the third world" >"stopping the boats stops unscrupulous mules from jeopardizing the lives of refugees" >"refugee safe zones+population transfers+ethnic self determination+border restructuring+strong man dictators+education+infant industry protection+birth control is better than sending fugees to the US and Europe" >"Front of the line or back of the line doesn't matter, letting illegals on the line for citizenship at because they hopped the border by virtue and luck of their proximity to us while some Ukrainian who follows the legal process may take years to get here undermines the system" >Stricter immigration? Well yeah, the idea is >The US can only take in X number of people before shit starts falling apart >If it is limiting people by quantity anyway, there is no greater or lesser ethical judgement for taking them from one group of people, or another. >(7 billion-x) will always be disenfranchised from coming here >Therefore, the US could establish stricter immigration controls, to take the same quantity of people, but with different qualifiers, and come out none the less evil to Liberals and Cuckservatives (Watch Immigration Gumballs if you haven't already for the same narrative)
Gavin White
>You think immigration restrictions in the US are bad? You should see what they do in [country]! >Mass immigration is not free market in the current system. Immigration is currently a government program. It's run by the government. It largely helps firms that lobby the government. It largely helps a rent seeking civil service sector that works for governments. It votes in bigger government. >If you don't think Cultural Integration is important, check out the Yugolslav Balkan wars. Same genetics, different cultures. [Haplogroup map.png]
James Watson
Push hard so that Trump's view is set as the moderate position.
Brody Hughes
>only include people from "western countries"
If you're hoping to keep out the brown people it won't work the way you expect.
It's the minorities that are most likely to leave somewhere in Europe looking for a betters life in the US.
In the past they were Jews, now they are of African or Arab descent.
What you need is to stop the poor migrating AND restrict it the counties that are majority white.
Charles Diaz
Shit, it can only be done in 800 characters.
Alexander Evans
It's not what happens now, so why should it happen when the law is passed?
When Trump gets in, feel free to call them and they will kick up operations. Right on the money.
Jose Thomas
Exactly. It only helps big business and the democratic establishment.
Ayden Brown
Can we get a petition going for this? It needs to be professionally done and not explicitly racist.
Jonathan Reyes
Completely forgot about this. Is anyone still there? If they are we might have to make another one of these threads since it might be bumped off of the catalog page
Caleb Smith
>It's not what happens now, It's exactly what happens now. The people coming to the US on visas are typically people too poor to find work in their own countries, but not so dreg-like that they can't maneuver themselves around the immigration system.
For example, my cousin, is a general shithead, and comes to the US on a travel visa to work construction, where he proceeds to steal from his employers.
>He also almost got me electrocuted on a jobsite, but that's another story for another time.
What has to happen is a combination of a meritocratic Australian points system with 'extra vetting' to weed out certain sectors.
Isaiah Morris
I think so. If we just include what i said in the op and all information that is being ostd here
Grayson Hall
Sounds perfect. Launch it. It will certainly gain a lot of traction if worded this way.
Thomas Taylor
Well what would you rather have, immigration specifically from countries that are 80-90 percent westernand some asians, or immigration from majoritarily third world countries?
Parker Reed
DEUS VULT
Blake Jones
US business still wants its supply of cheap labour.
If you say these workers can only come from the EU they will look there instead of Africa or Asia.
We have plenty of poor minorities to send you, but while even poorer African and Indians are out there market force dictate it's them that you get.
Carson Sullivan
Adding those caveats will be fine. I think that restricting eastern europeans will have to be done however, since if we just let in all europeans and nothing else, people could just pull the white supremacist card.
Hunter Brooks
Pic related sorta Hiya m8
Benjamin Ramirez
>One of the reasons we got rid of quotas in the first place was that Western Europeans were disproportionate in number in the US and that was unfair; since Hispanics are disproportionate in number in the current system, we may have to "fix" that again to be "fair" to other people >Preferably both the welfare state and immigration can be scaled back, but if one has to go it's the former. It's easier to stop people not here already and with little affinity from the host population than to gut a system used by many and with a good deal of affinity from the host population >Many people from the former USSR brought nepotistic and kleptocratic elements due to their coming from a failed GAWDLEZZ GOMMUNISM This is the foot-in-the-door >Many people from the Islamic world bring their arranged marriages, incest, Sharia zones, FGM, and culture not to go to the police even when there is abuse in the home This is what pries the door open, especially for basic-bitch Conservatives already redpilled on Islam >It's not therefore unreasonable that people from Africa, Mexico, South America, and Central America wouldn't bring those [solely cultural] problems with them last one for now: >Which side of the hyphen are we on? We're CIVIC NATIONALISTS here, like TR. Why are [group] then happy to self-segregate? If they wanted their own enclave, they could have stayed in their own country!
Asher Cruz
Yeah but it's going to be significantly less africans and middle easterners. I would rather have a prospective immigrant pool of tens of millions of africans than billions of africans.
Also a lot of the workers in the uk that are looked down upon would be welcomed in the us. We would love to have romanians and bulgarians at this point.
Asher Harris
>"cheaper to help 10 over there than 1 over here" According to Mark Krikorian, it's actually TWELVE times more expensive to resettle Middle Eastern refugees in America than to provide aid within the region. Even bluepilleds find that opportunity cost egregious.
Thanks for the dump, man.
Gabriel Brooks
Shit is that the petition?
Blake Morales
Jesus fuck.
All this information needs to be included in the petition without seeming verbose.
Gabriel Collins
yeah tinyurl/repealhartceller is more geared toward the big business narrative I'd take immigration from Western Europe, followed by East Asia and Eastern Europe, but until they get their migration in order I propose a "Meritocratic" system (which also gets mostly Western Europeans and East Asians) with "Extra Vetting" (which may weed out Middle Easterners and South Asians). I understand though. The more we appeal to civic nationalist narratives, the more watered down the policies will be, but appeal to WN policies too far, and the masses will throw out the baby with the bath water. It's a delicate game.
Adrian Gray
yes, yes, and were you not off by a single digit from greatness, I'd give you yet another yes.
Mason Harris
>Yeah but it's going to be significantly less africans and middle easterners.
You could be right I suppose. Why not give it a try?
Make sure you include Russia I hear they have plenty of poor minorities to get rid of.
At least what you get will have been civilised to a reasonable standard.
Ryan Morgan
Yeah I think that the petition on the whitehouse.gov website is a petition for there to be a response by the whitehouse. So it can be fairly vague. I just think personally that what should be non negotiable is the fact that it should be allowed on a country basis, and that we shouldn't let in eastern europeans to avoid the labels.
Levi Fisher
Oi, good to know. It's what may become the petition if I can get it down to the character limit. Yeah but the problem is one can't write out a piece of legislation or copypaste a WhitePaper. It's an 800 character sort of thing. Get #RepealHartCeller #BuildTheWall tinyurl/the50pointplan through to pic related #
Thomas Cox
A 50 point plan is not effective at getting attention. Petition one issue at a time, such as birthright citizenship. That provokes more debate, attention, and signatures.
Brody Lee
The reason we would exclude russia would be because they are white but they aren't western, so not letting them in, even though they are white, would help to obfuscate the "white nationalist" labels.
Nolan Martin
A petition should be up by tonight though, in order to keep the movement going and to create a link to share.
Jackson Ward
They aren't Eastern culture-wise; what else could they be?
Jaxon Turner
They don't have the same sort of shared history as western europe. Western europe has more or less changed simultaneously in terms of political situations throughout history. Russia hasn't and it has never been politically transparent or embraced enlightenment ideals in the same way as western europe.
Carter Scott
I see. Renaming it.
Hows this?
Dominic King
Why isn't there a mention of letting in immigrants only from western countries? There also doesn't seem to be any mention of repealing the act.
Ian Wright
Debating whether we should take baby steps toward this rather then blowing our load with an extremely strict position like this one which could backfire by ensuring nothing gets done. Even Trump's own party in Congress isn't fully on the nationalist boat yet. I think we should start by petitioning to repeal birthright citizenship, or maybe higher quotas on immigration from Europe rather than a flat ban on non-Europeans.
Nolan Adams
Well it's 1AM EST (e,g. in D.C.) but it would be up within the next couples hours. >Maria, Jesus, Boris, you all overstayed your visas, GTFO
imokwiththis. The petition was meant to be vague, so how's "match the host population as well as possible in the interest of seamless assimilation?
Isaiah Wood
Fixing
Matthew Perez
The title needs to state a specific cause. That title is not discernably right-wing which makes potential supporters wary of signing it.
Gavin Clark
Remember to list the countries as well.
Adam James
>they aren't western That's a terrible slanderous thing to say.
>They don't have the same sort of shared history as western europe. And that is just plain untrue. You need to go back to school.
>Russia hasn't and it has never been politically transparent
This is fair point. As much as I love Russia, you don't want them to send more Chechens
Liam Williams
If this thread dies btw there should be another thread made in the morning or sometime later to alert people to the petition. It could also be posted on r/thedonald as well.
William Morales
>grants to rural couples who want to start a family
You could also do the same for all married couples, as out-of-wedlock births generally happen in non-white communities.
But I agree that the rural plan is better. Farmers actually need big families to help tend to their farms, so this could very well be a petition of its own.
Adrian Rodriguez
Gotcha
Andrew Myers
Thx m8
Jose King
bump
Aiden Myers
I think I hit all the points. Thoughts?
Adam Watson
Live, damn you!
Nicholas Bell
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Charles Collins
It looms like this thread is running out of steam. I just recommend separating the deportation, repatriation, etc. clauses into separate petitions. Keep in mind that people prefer to support individual causes and you are more likely to get traction in Congress this way.
Brody Morris
Best title yet. Bravo.
Dylan Hernandez
You're getting there. I really think that you should include that you think that it should include only these types of countries, and then list the ones you think should be icluded.
Gavin Davis
Thx I'm waffling. On the one hand, removing border/deportation leaves >Halting the current immigration flow >Auditing/vetting/researching what's going on >Restarting the immigration flow under a new system
which are technically 3 separate issues, though related.
>Border security >Deportations are related to each other more than they are the other three,
but on the other hand they all fit nicely as a Power Five. 5 has a good ring to it.
>Anyway, thoughts?
Levi Parker
Hows this?
Henry Diaz
And we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive
Isaiah Martinez
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Ayden Hernandez
Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk >I'm a woman's man: no time to talk Music loud and women warm, I've been kicked around >Since I was born And now it's all right, it's okay >And you may look the other way We can try to understand >The New York Times' effect on man
Cameron Gonzalez
Yeah, an omnibus petition has a greater chance of failing, methinks. Take out the last two demands and use the extra characters to fill in the missing articles (e.g., the, of, etc.).
Also, use "those who" instead of "those that"--I think it humanizes them and makes the whole thing more palatable.
Jeremiah Perry
Yes. End birthright citizenship immediately.
You should only be born a citizen if one of your parents is a citizen.
Any country that does not give citizenship to the children of its people here should have all immigration banned and all current non citizen immigrants from that country deported. If they fight deportation or background checks in any way, all immigration from there should be stopped until they sign a pact of compliance going forward for all time.
Jaxson Wood
Greet will rule the world
Andrew Baker
viz.Western europe (UK, France, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Lux, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Germany, Italy, Greece, Austria, Finland, Iceland, Ireland, Belgium, Andorra, Luxembourg) Western countries abroad (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Australia) and western countries in east asia (Japan, South Korea.) Also reiterate that we should accept immigrants from only those places! Btw thanks for doing this.
Jaxson Long
Mandatory DNA tests. Must be 80% european/east asian in origin. Less than 5% African.
Cooper Morgan
Got it May include it Just the Netherlands, and in the name of Israel. Not as bad as in the name of Allah and the Prophet Muhhammad (PBUH), though. Will try to include Might be too spicy. Half of Italy might be cucked.
Anthony Cox
This needs to happen, is the petition up yet and is there a link?
Carson Gray
We need to do the same thing with him when he gets into office since he's going to have a referendum heavy policy. Right of return for afrikaaners.
Juan Hall
absolutely confirmed
Dylan Morris
Almost keep this thread bumped
Levi Hughes
Alright gents how's this?
I would make the title ALLCAPS if I could.
Angel Anderson
Great let's keep this thread bumped
Levi Gutierrez
Going to give it until 2:10 EST. If there are no objections, it's going live as is.
Evan Myers
bretty good m8
what's the part that specifies the repeal of the hart cellar act
Lucas Cooper
Aye-aye cap'n >also saved
Grayson Butler
> repealing Pub.L. 89–236 and Pub.L. 101–649. Or should I say >Hart Celler and the Diversity Lottery Those technically aren't the names of the bills, but either way it will force people to look up what these bills mean or are.
Aaron Ward
>half might be cucked If they're too much nog, that's their problem.
Also, total ban on Islamic immigration. Publicly renounce and denounce Islam for all time or fuck off. We don't need death cultists when there's literally a billion other poor impoverished non-death cultists willing to take your place.
Zachary Johnson
Solid stuff, except the first sentence sounds awkward with its use of "take account". Shouldn't it be "take account of" or "take into account", or alternatively, "consider the"?
Christopher Hill
6 minutes
Michael Phillips
They should annex majority Afrikaaner areas and ban nog immigration.
Ayden Martinez
And so stipulating that the immigrants "match the host populaton as well as possible in the interst of seamless assimilation, viz... australia) Means that you will be replacing the act with that stipulation? You see the problem i see with it is that lawmakers will take advantage of that vagueness and say that a nigerian or egyptian who can "seamlessly" integrate applies.That's why I think you should include all of the countries and only those countries
Kayden Stewart
Originally had it that way. Changed it to save characters (still grammatically correct but awkward). Changing it back. >Genetic tests >Islamic ban Maybe for another petition. If I had enough characters or enough of a wordsmith to smash it all in I would.
Parker Turner
Bumping again
Christian Perez
Got it
Cameron Carter
If you do that it will be perfect. You just made history user. Be sure to spread it around. If the first couple of threads don't work keep plugging, there's enough people in this thread to remember.
Charles Scott
All hail the City-State of Orania!
Angel Roberts
>SERIOUS DISCUSSION > pol pick one
Wyatt Moore
The right of return policy would be the best. The netherlands would go as a country from 84 to 89 percent white, millions of boers would be able to live in a country where they have a fair shake, and it would appease the african supremacists in the anc, all the while destroying south africa because all the whites leave.
Jordan Morgan
bump
Jaxon Foster
I feel it'd be mostly the poor repatriating, unfortunately--at first anyway.
