Why don't communists move to communist countries?

Why don't communists move to communist countries?

Checkmate, commies

I keep telling that leftypol spic to move to North Korea and he claims he can only accept his snowflake version of communism.

Most "commies" aren't Leninists. All communist countries that have ever existed are Leninist or aren't really communist (China)

The argument you hear from communist supporters which is often ridiculed, that communism has never really existed, is actually a fairly valid one. Communism hasn't really existed as most 19th century communists (including Marx) envisioned it. Lenin really made a lot of improvisations on the fly because he had to deal with a country that wasn't industrialised. Even Marx said that if communism were to work, it must begin in an advanced, modernised and industrialised economy. He actually thought it would begin in the US. He outright said that underdeveloped countries and agricultural economies would only be able to successfully become communist after industrialized economies had made the transition.

Contrary to popular belief, Marx wasn't the first communist though, and didn't coin the term.

Most communists believe the communist experiment was never actually tried, even though that is a meme response.

Communism is a nationalistic system
I can't practice it with gooks or jungle niggers, but with my fellow colombians

>that type of communism doesn't work

Go on...

Genuinely interested. Are Marxism and Leninism the same thing?

For the same reason Libertarians don't move to Somalia. People don't fit into straw man stereotypes.

Same reason American-Niggers won't move to Africa. They know deep inside they are utter hellholes.

Because commies are parasites.
It's pointless for them to go to a host that's already dead.

Not a commie in the slightest but why the fuck would anyone move to a country that's completely foreign to his culture and possibly race, just because it shares some values? For example I like Duterte's strain of nationalism but I sure as fuck wouldn't move to the Philippines.

Commies agenda is to spread communism to all countries so that one day it will work

What they dont realize is that it would just lead to global collapse

they could always fuck off to a commune somewhere
>muh communism hasn't been tried
The only argument you can make for that is if your definition for communism is Utopian. I can make up some stupid ideology where the defining feature is everyone is happy and claim its never been tried before because people weren't happy. Has it ever occurred to the communists that it is impossible for everyone to be happy?
Communism has been tried. It just never works out because the entire thing is backwards.

Should I infiltrate my colleges International Socialist clique/ club? I want to destroy those fucks. Any ideas on what I can do?

Become the alpha of the club and red-pill your followers slowly

>communism was never tried

Which is because you can't go from full state authority to everyone working in harmony -- it breaks the left and right distinction and can't work.

Commies technically should be pushing for libertarianism and then anarchy, and when that's done they can make their commune utopia (and it won't work like they want it anyway. Kek).

Somalia, as people say is libertarian, is actually what communism looks like in reality -- people rarely will agree and work together unless they're family.

>commune

This

Their commune with no state oversight is their communism. They can move to one if they want right now.

No one will care at all if they buy a heap of land in the middle of nowhere and break away from society.

They never do it, though.

Same reason why Non Whites hate white people but want to come to White countries

Not sure that example works. They come to white countries because it's better. Commies dont go to communist countries because it's not better.

Not at all. Marx barely described how a communist state would work in practice, but a number of his few ideas tended to either be at odds with how it was implemented by the Russians, or they were simply riffed upon by Lenin (the Bolsheviks, when they seized power, quickly realised that there was actually very little in Marx's writings on the practicalities of running a communist state, so they basically invented what we think of when we think of communism now.) For instance, Marx's idea about the ownership of the means of production never actually specified a central government with a political class being in control of those means. But as history records, that's what happened in the USSR.

Organization is not something Marx touched on. This is why most philosophers refer to Marx as primarily a theorist of capitalism rather than one of communism. And despite Marx being tied so heavily to the failures of 20th century communism, his ideas about capitalism have a lot of merit and are fairly strong, and the basis for a lot of economic and social science.

It should be said that he was definitely wrong about a lot though.He shouldn't be treated differently from any other outdated but perceptive 19th century thinker.

Leninism is basically the practical aspects Lenin introduced when trying to make a communist state, the principles of the way the state operates - institutions, laws etc. Some of these principles diverged from Marx's thoughts, but were under the pretence of being inspired by Marx.

That's why people say Marxism-Leninism, because it would be unfair to Marx and a mistake to say that the USSR was the embodiment of Marx's thought.

Most people who passionately rail against Marx haven't actually read him, and simply associate Marxism with modern left wing associations like feminism etc etc.

Marx was simply reacting to social structures of his time period. Don't read Communist Manifesto. Read The Golgotha Experiment and Das Kapital.

Communist means no border, there isn't a communist country, you mean Socialism.

So, why don't socialist move to socialist countries?
Socialism is anti-immigration and protectionist as fuck.
Millenial Socialist are actually Liberals that never read a single book so they think they are Socialist but when they call "Fascist" to people for be against immigrant they are also calling Fascist to Socialist.

Don't get me wrong, I fucking hate Socialist but at least the old Socialism pre-60s wheren't a bunch of kids crying on the streets.

Sorry it's called The Critique of the Golgotha Program not experiment.

The Communist Manifesto is Marx's most famous and well read work, but it is by far his least important.

>Not sure your example works.
>Repeats basically the same idea in different words.
kek

>communist means no border
What? Communist means everyone gets paid the same. Has nothing to do with borders.

Obviously it fails because it requires a dictatorship to overcome market forces of supply and demand, and that dictatorship inevitably becomes corrupt and then millions of people end up getting shot in the process of destroying the corrupt dictatorship.

Still, communism has nothing to do with borders as far as I'm aware.
Part of the problem with having these fucking arguments is that the definitions of words seem to mean different things to everyone.

Good post.

Also Das Kapital is obligatory for anyone interested in politics.

>one leaves their own country
>other stays in their own country
>stole our flag

>Same reason non-whites come to white countries despite hating whites.
>Reason being white countries are good, non-white countries are shit.

>not sure your example works user, the reason commies don't go to communist countries is because they're shit, white non-commie countries are good.
>that double think.

No. This was a better example.