Eastern Religion

Red pill me on eastern religion (Buddhism, Taoism etc.)

>Does Meditation help
>Is it too peaceful for it's own good
>is it compatible with western values.
>Does it lead to degeneracy?

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It is not a western Value or part of our culture... REEEEEEEE

Reason why?

Prayer is like meditation and puts you in a similar state according to studies.

You answered it yourself eastern religions you'll be converting to islam next

I was a SJW and then I started meditating and became a nationalist and racial realist.

Meditation is legit. We've gotten a lot of evidence showing that prayer and meditation are very beneficial for the brain.

I wouldn't say it's "too peaceful". Hindus and buddhists slaughter muslims and vice versa.

Yes, several eastern religions are actually very compatible with western values and secularism. Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Confuscianism, and Shinto I know are all compatible.

And it doesn't lead to degeneracy any more then any other religions.

Personally, I think every person needs to study the ideas behind buddhism and taoism. No need to convert, but there is a LOT of incredible wisdom in those teachings. The older I get, the more I realize how legit taoism is at explaining the nature of reality. And it does so with grace and beauty.

meditation is present on every religion in its own way = praying the rosary is the equivalent to the mantra recitation using the japa mala.

>compatible with western values

yes and no

the west must return to the warrior spirit it has always had in its blood. We are built differently than asians and base our civilisations in the constant fight against constant enemies

does it lead to degeneracy?

individuals lead themselves to degeneracy. That's why the glorification of excessive individualism is killing the West

>It doesn't lead to degeneracy any more than any other religion

What do you mean by this?

Taoism isn't a religion for the masses though. Doesn't work. It's very elitist in a sense, not really in the better or above kind of way. But it isn't good for mass movements because it's very individualistic and you can't per definition not attribute a fixed ruleset to the doctrine.

I would say national socialism, not talking about the nazis, and confuscianism are were similar because it's about family, duty, and the greater good.

Meditation is great and to redpill you on Buddhist philosophy I can give you the run down.


Basically the core tenets is that
1) life is suffering
2) desire causes suffering
3) suffering can be ended
4) the realization that that you have to follow the path

Now basically in order to end desire, you first have to understand the first 3 noble truths in their entirety. The first being is simple, its basically that the world is absolute shit. The second, however, is a little harder to grasp, but basically it means that all desire, both for wanting pleasure and wanting to decrease pain or run rom is the problem. Ending your desire such as sex is one thing, but notice how you also have to end the desire to run from physical pain. That means the step to ending your desire is not to run, but rather to accept pain and to discipline your instincts to hold no opinion of what comes your way. You have to see the world as empty, that being it has no significance and there is no reason for you to have an idea of "this is good and I should like it, and this is painful so I should hate it".

From this you realize that the only way to cultivate this mindset perfectly is through meditation and abstaining from degeneracy. Through all of this, you end suffering with a sense of eternal compassion for all those who were once in your position.

*can't attribute fixed rules

Meant it like it's about what feels right at the moment.

The 12 years when Jesus was gone in the bible from age 18-30 was when he was being enlightened in the east.

>>Does Meditation help
peer reviewed studies show meditating for even just 15min a day has a multitude of benefits on health and cognitive function. no comment on any spiritual benefits

>>Is it too peaceful for it's own good
eastern religions are most philosophical and society-focused rather than being a list of rules for individuals. buddhism and taoism are even compatible with western belief systems. two millenia of taoist influence is why eastern societies are so structured and well-knit

>>is it compatible with western values
yes, just as much as existentialism or other schools of philosophy are. only goofball religions like shinto are fully divorced of compatibility with western thought

>>Does it lead to degeneracy?
the west is and always will be more degenerate than the east. they're just far more socially and family oriented compared to the free-thinking west. the only degeneracy is an extreme devaluation of the individual, which the west considers a paramount value

also, good thread OP. a nice break from "BBC IS SUPERIOR AND I HATE ALL WOMEN" threads

Am Buddhist, going to monastery for a few weeks in April/May, can confirm from my studies so far that the teachings and meditation are very legit, but watch out for the mystical stuff like flying

Thank you.

>From this you realize that the only way to cultivate this mindset perfectly is through meditation and abstaining from degeneracy. Through all of this, you end suffering with a sense of eternal compassion for all those who were once in your position.

I'm starting to think YOU can't do anything about suffering because YOU are one of the causes. I suppose some even argue you could meditate for a 1000 years and it wouldn't change a thing, because it's still you doing it. But getting rid of the you is still you doing something, so it's really a catch 22.

The thing with meditation is that you eventually drop the bullshit, stand up and start engaging with the world with less interference of the mental processes that keep you from seeing the present clearly.

Nothing really matters, everything ends, eventually, but you're still here and might as go with the flow and relax about things you can't change. Meditation for that matter can be nice just for the heck of it. Just sitting there without purpose.

Lol, I always watch out for that stuff. I usually mark it as folklore created by farmers about people they didn't understand.

Also if you want to start meditating (which you should there is literally no reason not to), try out an app called Headspace

Nice quads buddy

>I'm starting to think YOU can't do anything about suffering because YOU are one of the causes.

Thats sorta the correct view of buddhism. They think that there is a difference between pain and suffering. Pain is the experience, suffering is the the experience and the connotation that we add to that experience. In other words, they think that an enlightened being is someone who moves past pain and pleasure in the sense of desire. They do not desire pleasure, not the desire to run from the pain, and from this suffering end. In other words, how can you suffer when you are completely content with the world around you?

But dont confuse this as being selfish. What happens when you accept the world you naturally become extremly compassionate because you were once in the position of the ignorant who were once in the same suffering position you were in.

There is probably truth to be found in every religion. But certain religions get certain things more correct than others.

When it comes to living a "good" life and attaining personal salvation, I think that Buddhism is probably the most correct. Right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood—much of it overlaps with Christianity, which I think also gets most of it right. The Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path are basically Matthew 5-7.

When it comes to the true nature of God, I think Taoism is the most correct, but it's hard to explain. The Tao Te Ching is extremely short, and everyone should read it at least once.

I believe "degeneracy" is just another term for "sin", and I believe sin is a judgement that divides god. You chose to look at the world and see evil. You chose to judge evil and hate evil. But that "evil" is part of the Divine Plan. With One God, there is One Creation, and He doesn't make mistakes. He made it perfectly, and when we refuse to accept the Truth, we sin.

Er, to put more simply, the problems we face are based on lies we tell ourselves. All humans are born doing this, and all are susceptible to it. So all religions have followers that fall.

Yeah, I can see why you say that. But I wasn't giving a suggestion of a religion for the masses. I was giving advice to whoever would listen.

I personally think we're going to create a new religion/philosophy of some kind. It will likely have heavy elements of christianity, occultism, and buddhism/taoism. A lot of religions are dying and people are feeling stressed and aimless. A new way of thinking can help us grow into a better society. I think it'd probably have a much larger focus on things like truth, logic, and compassion. Valuing things like property rights, equality, and libertarianism. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I feel like it's already starting to happen. Kek worship would fit right in with the philosophy I imagine.

>meditation
>prayer

Eastern or western interpretations of "thinking about your day in a calm setting"

This also works
Eastern:western::Buddha:jesus

Meditation is real and neat. Eastern religion and culture is fairly compatible with western values. I think the pacifism of it is kind of a meme, considering how asians treat each other. All roads lead to death and decay :^(

on point. But I'll go one step further. The perfect religion for yourself personally would be the one you personally constructed. Based on your values, using logic to help yourself grow past lies. A flexible ideology is one that can grow with you. That's something that even the most flexible religions lack. You can immediately change your opinions and tweak your personal philosophy without all the gnashing of teeth you see when christians are told the earth is several billions of years old. Large scale religion is too rigid to allow for that kind of adaptability. And going forward, we as a society need more adaptable, reliable methods of understanding our choices and making decisions.

Advocated self defense even though they are peaceful.

>Don't tread on me.

LIES!!! RRREEEeeeeeeee!!!

>reason why?

HERE is why that poster is WRONG!

catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=37506

Contemplative prayer = "meditation"

There is NO difference (other than the OBJECT of contemplation during meditation)

pagan = "whatever man... the "All" dude!"

Catholic = Jesus/Holy Spirit/ God's Love for Humanity

No difference because

>all roads lead to "Rome" (except road where one walks that feature child rape and sacrifice of sentient beings... those roads lead to HELL!)

>I wouldn't say it's "too peaceful". Hindus and buddhists slaughter muslims and vice versa.

nah m8... y u lie?

>j/k related

Violence can be RIGHTeous too!

(depending upon the state of the OBSERVER'S "Now") ...of course.

>pic related

just wants to meditate and raise their families and flock and crops in PEACE...

but Muslims have moved in... and said

>YOU WILL LIVE THE WAY WE SAY IS RIGH
T OR WE WILL KILL YOU IN THE NAME OF GOD AND """"JUSTICE""" OF GOD!!!

So the peaceful farmer Buddhists now have to take up arms against the Muslims... they TRIED NOT TO... but the muslims just laughed and said

>they are WEAK and that means Allah wants us to conquer them!!!

so the Buddhists WRECKED THEIR SHIT.

Amen!

Watch the movie The Man From Earth. You'll get some ideas.

Please do elaborate on some of the more important points of what you've learned

Read: nishargadatta - I am that and everything of Osho. Best choice ever

The funny thing about this image is that it oversimplifies the truth to the point of being wrong.

The truth is actually very simple. We've heard it a billion times throughout our lives. We just keep relearning it as we try to learn about ourselves.