Mein fuhrer we are 150km far from moscow should we press on and win the war??

>mein fuhrer we are 150km far from moscow should we press on and win the war??
>Ahahahhahhahah silly kraut go south instead we will take moscow in the winter don't worry

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Why didn't the just push far in, and then use the scorched earth thing on the russians. That would have saved them.

They would've made it, but the Hungarian divisions slowed them down.

>Herr kommandant, whichbeould tou rather do, spend months fighting to take a useless well defended city with no resources, or take all the agricultural and coal areas of the Soviet Union whilst killing hundreds of thousands of encircled slavniggers?

going south could've been a solid strategy if they went for it from the start, relocating tanks along the front line at a whim is a massive drain on resources

>MEIN Fuhrer let us leave a 600 000 Army Group on our south flank, ready to be reorganized and launch an attack on our exposed flanks due to our thrust on Moscow
>also expose us to a simultaneous pincer movement

Tell me, imbecile, do they also teach you about "Russian Winter that stopped the advance", "Siberian divisions" and "human wave with commisars in the back?"
Oh oh, I know, the "Blitzkrieg" "tactics" or "strategy"?

>[Reserve Bogdanov] east of Moscow
He never stood a chance.

have u seen any documentaries of WW2? germans tried to get to moscow, hard, but even the german soldiers said it was too tough, they just didnt have enough strength, also even if they got to moscow it was a fortress, probably would of been a harder battle than stalingrad

Watch the documentary WWII in Colour on Youtube, it gives a very good overview of the strategies by the Axis.

I'll always love bashing on German incompetence when it comes to military matters but there were solid reasons for delaying the siege of Moscow.

>Ahahahhahhahah silly kraut go south

They wanted to capture Baku and Grozny, cuz it is difficult to fight without oil, especially if you are fighting in XXth century

I like it how Stalingrad turned out to be a grinder despite the Germans having initially numerical and especially experience and skill advantage.
However, /poltards believe that a larger and more important city with metro would be easily captured by Panzers and (Panzer)Grenadiers.

>shouldn't we just destroy the British empire while we have the chance, muh fuhrer?

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>implying going south and cutting USSR from the black sea and caucasian oil was a bad idea
not preparing enough for winter was the mistake

Are you fucking retarded, people?

German forces were already close to Moscow and could have taking it but they abandoned plan because it would create even more problems than intended.

You literally think that Russians would instantly capitulate just from losing fucking Moscow??? They aren't fucking cowardly French we are talking about.

If Germans would have taken Moscow in "Battle for Moscow" it would have killed them they would have been stuck in a literal meat grinder. It would have been early Stalingrad.

Moscow had a great defense surrounding it which german broke the western side but if they took Moscow they would have been surrounded by russians and face heavy resistance. It would have been Soviet Last Stand since it was their capital.
It was also winter... and supplies were getting tough.

The thing that Hitler pulled his division away from Moscor was a fucking miracle.
The southern campaing to caucasia was a great plan and it would have worked 100% but Hitler and some of his command were obsessed with defending Stalingrad which they just captured and that was their mistake.
If Germans abandoned Stalingrad and send all their units to straight to Baku it would have been game over for Soviets...

Fucking Sup Forums not understanding strategy....

>hurr durr you don't understand strategy
>proceeds to suggest going fo Caucasus and Baku WITHOUT securing the flank and leaving Soviets in control of Stalingrad and Volga crossings

Tell me, what would happen if Army Group South goes to Caucasus, captures it, but then Soviet counterattack severs the link and encircles them in the middle of nowhere far from supply and maintenance?

Stalingrad was a liability which most generals understood.
Even fucking Paulus and Meinstaing said it was.

If germans just retreated from ruines of Stalingrad they could have stretch their lines and deffence around it like they did this entire fucking war.
Do you even know why Soviets just couldn't even dare to push Germans lines before battle of Stalingrad? Because they were heavily deffended.

The Axis Armies mobilized under German leadership or local nation leadership should have taken moscow secured the perimeters with German troops and establish dominance over soviet empire then Russians would join white army in larger numbers because the kremlin now belonged to Axis and new russian government stationed in moscow has legitimacy and is not occupant.

Germans thought about oil and napoleon taking moscow but it was not the same, taking moscow should have happened.
>stalin is in moscow
>the party gets pushed further east
>party is in ASIA
>stalin is in ASIA
And then the people will see the soviet state is getting pushed the fuck out.

youtube.com/watch?v=mOEmFg2EOR8

*Manstein

fffffffffffffuuuuuuu
wish Germans stategically retreated stalingrad and grouped defenses to not get flanked.

>hundreds
And then the winter comes...

>and new russian government stationed in moscow has legitimacy and is not occupant
Wow. Is this the power of American education?

You don't seem to understand.
If the army that was destroyed in Stalingrad went south, there would be Soviet forces left free due to no need to defend and fight in Stalingrad. The forces that counterattacked and enveloped Paulus would do that to army group south.
You do realise that advancing extends and weakens your lines of defence, and that Germans retreated and evacuated the Caucasus force once the trouble at Stalingrad began.

Vlasov army recruited and stationed in Moscow obtains support and obtains more civilian support than soviet state and helps push the soviets further into asia.

youtube.com/watch?v=y-UaKeYEOdE

The reserve that saved europe

>because the kremlin now belonged to Axis and new russian government stationed in moscow has legitimacy and is not occupant

Nah, it doesn`t work

Except there was no Vlasov army at the time, as he was still Soviet General. And no, capturing a city wouldn't magically give Germany local support.

Germans were having massive trouble with logistics at that point, going even further east would have been a nightmare plus besigeing Moscow would be almost impossible seeing how the Soviets would simply arm the multi-milion populace, plus everything important from Moscow was transfered behind the Urals

>obtains more civilian support
>yfw have obtained too much civilian support

After Vlasov's army was surrounded, he himself was offered an escape by aeroplane. The general refused and hid in German-occupied territory; ten days later, on July 12, 1942, a local farmer exposed him to the Germans. Vlasov's opponent and captor, Nazi general Georg Lindemann, interrogated him about the surrounding of his army and details of battles, then "had Vlasov imprisoned in occupied Vinnytsia."

Vlasov claimed that during his ten days in hiding he affirmed his anti-bolshevism, believing Joseph Stalin was the greatest enemy of the Russian people,[4] and there is evidence that suggests Vlasov may have changed sides in a bid to give his countrymen a better life than the one they had under Stalin.[5] His critics, including Marshal Kirill Meretskov (who had endorsed Vlasov's promotion to executive officer of the Volkhov front) and most Soviet historians, argued that Vlasov adopted a pro-Nazi German stance in prison out of opportunism, careerism, and survival, fearing Stalinist retribution for losing his last battle and his army

BASED AS FUUUUCK

>tfw no Vlasov Russia

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I understood but i still think that the army which was destroyed in Stalingrad could have defended the flank like they did on other lines.
Why russians could have start push in to Ukraine after Stalingrad was because most of the german forces in the south were wiped out in Stalingrad.

>traitor
>BASED AS FUUUUCK

Now that is real hero

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Karbyshev

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Vlasov did more than you, he died for a free Russia, and now you starve in street.

youtube.com/watch?v=UXvYMqfR8sE&t=336s

>traitor
Everyone else was the traitor, he died for Russia not soviet union and the bolshes international slavery state.

>he died for a free Russia

He died for filthy krauts or whatever, but not Russia

>you starve in street.

nah, i`ve just had dinner

Vlasov was cool.

He was born in Russia and Russian Empire not in Sobjet Union.

He was no traitor to Russia, traitors to Russia were executed by ROA.

youtube.com/watch?v=dYCZbkVVdFA

always funny seeing a thirld world formet soviet state subhuman (also called "latvian") doing history lessons

>Russia not soviet union

>Soviet Union
>capital is Moscow
>russian language
>russian people
>not russian

Well, i think that burgers opinion not so important here

You can't fight without oil and even if they did get Moscow the Russians could just go back even further.

He loved and died for Russia not the bolshevik occupants of Russia.

youtube.com/watch?v=7O3sdE9azMI

ROA fought the conquering bolsheviks while you cucks took it like little bitches living like faggots to kike oppression and power over your lives, while your children were tossed to gulag.

baguette triggered

A sardine defending Soviet Union, that's something you don't see everyday on Sup Forums. My respects.

>fighting together with filthy chechens, and all that churka traitors

le fu

>USA 1800
>english language
>washington dc
>black people
>not black
Well, i think that slave opinion not so important here

at least I don't live in a third world shithole and don't eat potatoes every fucking day :)

now go back to your farm while your sister and your mother are busy fucking niggers on camera in a random czech porn studio

Of course faggots will shun those who had the balls and testicular fortitude to fight the supposed omnipotent kike bolshevik state, our of envy and hatred for your ancestors own impotence to fighting oppression.

top fucking kek

You are aware that communists wanted to abolish the very concept of ethnic groups and nation-states, aren't you?

There'd be no counter-attack. Soviets lose most their oil, Turkey joins war, prolly some pro-Nazi uprisings in Iran and arabic countries too. So when Caucasus falls, Army group South has literally no enemies in front of them, and then turns back noirth to reinforce Romanian and Hungarian troops on Don river. Instad, they wasted two whole armies in urban warfare in Stalingrad, when they could just bomb it to hell.

>>mein fuhrer we are 150km far from moscow should we press on and win the war??
implying that taking Moscow would beat Russia
most of the military industry was now in Urals

>fuhrer

>at least i live in first world were my algerian bull is always prepared and i can eat cock every fucking day :^)
ftfy

Go destroy more cathedrals, frog.

youtube.com/watch?v=nObPM3n94yI

Why should we aware of this, white russian were majority, so assimilation could turn churkas in sort of russian people, it is better what we have now

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You post a georgian ruling over russian lives dictating whether russian child lives or dies, if ancestors saw that they would revolt and hang his head in kremlin.

>150kms
>win the war
>go south
>moscow in winter
these are the other things wrong in ops hypothetical. although an august advance on moscow would have been successful in my opinion I doubt the would have been able to hold the bulge against Soviet counter attack during the winter and spring of 42 unless they did nothing else but reinforce the Moscow salient

Stalin actually deported every Chechens to central asia and massacard some of them and repopulated chechnya with russians
Well until Khrushchev came and returned them back....

>abolish
>gave evry fucking tiniest tribe and ethnic entity a state and language
>just like Hitler and Slovenians etc.
Wait, were you talking about America?

>ruling over russian lives dictating whether russian child lives or dies

This is WHAT ameretards really believe

>counter revolutionary enemy of state
>die
>be georgian conqueror of russians
If he was called the Georgian conqueror of Russia the 1st would it be incorrect?

ü
:''')

Yet Stalin created Chechen republic in first place, only when some of them tried to start a pro-german underground, he exiled and transeferd them. Much like this guy.

Sure, let's go with that.

posting man who conquered Russia.

>georgian conqueror of russians

That`s funny shit dude, read about georgians in Russian History, they were okay in Russian Empire, just like General Bagration or Mikhail Loris-Melikov

>yfw conquered Russia

Wasn't Neutral Persia conquered by Soviets and British in 1941 and dividend for precious Oil.
So much for freedom fighters of Britain :)))))))))

posting the jewish khazarian conquest of all the RUS and finally conquered RUS empire after 2,000 years.

>be russian
>be treated like an object and livestock by your government for generations, then rebel only to install even more cruel and opressive regime which is okay with genociding whole nations
> some people try to rebel against that shit
> THOSE TRAITORS

oh russians, you never cease to amuse

>Neutral Persia

Shah wanted to be friend with Hitler, so Stalin and Churchill dindu nuffin

Gilan and Iranian Azerbaijan are rightful russian clays

ctrl+F Bogdanov

d-did we meme Bogdanov into existence lads?

doesn't matter what that filthy traitor for bolshevik thinks, the true russians will reobtain power over the country.

This.

There was one peace-time soviet army, the size of the frontline division, no heavy weapons at all, and British had even less. Enough to conquer persian churkas and prevent them from turning to Hitler, but no chance against real army.

DOWN WITH THE RUSSIAN (Empire) STATE
UP WITH THE SOVIET UNION OF WORKERS!

The mistake wasnt attacking moscow in winter
It was attacking moscow at all

t. triggered franchute

This kraut gets it.

>mein führer we shouldn't let undertrained and underequipped hungarian, romanian and italian soldiers guard the flanks of our 600,000 men
>Ahahaha dont worry russia is finished

>after 2,000 years.
>ameretard education

Even if they took Moscow, they would have lost.

DOWN WITH THE RUSSIAN STATE!

Funny thing about Trotsky
Is that he really did created Soviet Union. Not Lenin And Stalin, not any other bolshevik for the matter.

In 1918 White army was pushing into Moscow and almost won.
But then comes this kike who mobilises every russian with hand commanding them and basically wins the Civil war.

>yfw Russia could have been free of communism

Without Japs and full wehrmacht, not just ~65% of total power, you mean ?

>]
UP WITH SOVIET UNION!

>2,000 years.
Post pics of slav aryans in this thread.

Too many soldiers wasted on the offense. Germany did well against Russia in WW1 because they hardly went on an offensive against the Russians. They bunkered down and repelled Russian advances until the Communists threw a hissy fit

You don't invade Russia. You let Russia come to you. Like Finland.

SOBJEEEEET UNIIIION
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Even if they did concentrate on Ukraine and oil from the Causcaus they would have also lost.

Wermacht was logistically overstretched by the first 600 km they made their push into SU.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Smolensk_(1941)

This battle is the prime example of it. They should have in theory steamrolled the city and continue towards Moscow but because of the shitty overstretched logistics this has lasted for almost 2 months.

And also remember how many horse carts the Germans had instead of trucks. Over 80% of ammo, supplies and spare parts was beeing delivered by horses to them.

Tl,dr - they have lost the war on the day 1 of the Operation Barbarossa. Was just a matter of time.

Trotsky created nothing, he wasn`t even bolshevik till 1917

The Soviet education wasn't sub par, the Russian education is a total shit. Smart people, scientists, teachers, engineers left the USSR after it was destroyed and plundered by the government. I would prefer to learn in MIT or Stanford than in any Russian University.

history shows that russians were (and are) always a cattle in their (((own))) country

Good eye, appreciated.

God bless America!

> I would prefer to learn in MIT or Stanford than in any Russian University.

but you are useless dick-sucker

>Smart people, scientists, teachers, engineers left the USSR after it was destroyed and plundered by the government

Some of them are returning, nah seriously, i`m working in lab of that kind of man

>Be Hitler
>Start the war early despite your allies not being ready
>Take personal control of the army despite being uttery incompetent
>Throw a million men to capture a single useless city while ignoring the badly needed oil fields a stones throw away
>Have a panic attack and pull everything back when Sicily gets invaded
>Invest time and money into meme projects like the Tiger 2 and the Maus
>Lose
Deserved it desu

the battle of smolensk took a month and was a 200km advance so you're an idiot
>80% supplies by horsey
bullshit germany had plenty of trucks supply which was their primary supply out from the railheads they were advancing at super fast speeds