Exactly what is wrong with Obama Care...

Exactly what is wrong with Obama Care. Why is Trump so adamant to get rid of it and exactly how will he replace universal health care?

Do Americans seriously want to pay $1,000,000 just for getting a checkup?

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well for one my insurance prices went up 800 to cover Gynecological care cause thats mandatory thanks to the affordable care act. I am a man as in XY chromosome

>$1,000,000 just for getting a checkup?

This is why Trump won.
This over-exaggerated faggotry is pushing more and more people to our side every day.

It forced everyone to get Healthcare insurance but making plans state level decreases supply while increasing demand.
Also insurance companies were supposed to have their profits regulated but that's unconstitutional so it ended up costing too much basically everywhere.

think of it like section 8: there's now more money for landlords to charge higher rent. while the people using section 8 aren't paying the whole bill, the entire tax base is now paying the other portion of the bill, without their consent.

>$1,000,000 just for getting a checkup?
We we're rapidly approaching that value already, my dude.

The ACA created a captive market in which prices could rise indefinitely.

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BUT PEOPLE WILL DIE

Obamacare literally increased the price of healthcare. It didn't really help anyone except lazy parasites.

What non-Americans don't understand is that our prices are so high because we have to pay for the healthcare of a bunch of jobless Niggers. Not because European systems are so great and reduce prices.

Install a single payer system in America, and the costs would be fucking insane.

People will die regardless.

You're forced to buy something that's becoming too expensive for those same people to use. They end up not being able to use their insurance because they still can't pay deductibles and premiums.

It works for some people, don't get me wrong. But it absolutely does not work for a large chunk of the urban poor.

It is also a drain on middle class rates, and it doesnt promote competition. I.E. it allows insurance companies to have a virtual monopoly, which people are forced to buy into.

what isn't wrong with it?

I was paying 200 a month for two people for basic hmo.

After obongocare i pay 140 a month for no care or i can pay 400 a month for something close to hmo. For two people.

Tell me again how great obongocare is, i fucking dare you. Why the fuck am i paying taxes to make sure more niggers and spics and white trash that add nothing good to society can have more health care than me?

>Obamacare literally increased the price of healthcare
Actually red states refusing federal money and cock-blocking price controls increased the price of health care.

Obamacare was shit, but it was stymied at every turn and DOA because some of the states didn't want to take federal funds for it, so they could say it sucked.

Healthcare is a meme, you have to to like we do here and just not get sick.

>work part time job
>can't afford healthcare
>can't go full time cause school
>young, able bodied and healthy, very unlikely to get sick
>major accident wouldn't be covered regardless
>get fined for not being able purchase something I'd never use
>make just enough to not be exempt

I'd really rather not get fined for not paying for fat niggers aids medicine, so fuck obamacare. N

>What non-Americans don't understand is that our prices are so high because we have to pay for the healthcare of a bunch of jobless Niggers. Not because European systems are so great and reduce prices.

Allow me, healthcare here (italy, but i would say most european countries are the same) is tax payed. everyone pays for it, not just those in need, otherwise those people would need to pay a lot of money. our taxation is proportional to income of course, and as high as 60% of the income is taxable, which is a lot but all things considered, with "free" healthcare and education (which doesn't require us to open loans to afford), life doesn't suck too hard.

now look at your healthcare system, you pay for an insurance so it would cover up expenses in case you should need em, but should you need a transplant or a complex procedure, or you barely step outside what your insurance covers, you can consider your ass fucked. yeah i can see why you believe our system is worse.

>Exactly what is wrong with Obama Care
It is a mystery

>Tell me again how great obongocare is, i fucking dare you.
The $200 would have let you die of cancer while the $400 is the minimum it will take to save you from most cancers.

a few points for you to ponder:

1 : Obamacare is NOT "universal healthcare
2: Obamacare is a federal MANDATE that forces people to buy medical insurance from private companies, which then immediately drove up their prices
3 : Obamacare greatly expanded medicare, forcing people who were not considered poor before into govt programs which are notoriously shitty and inefficient
4: Obamacare is forcing doctors to close their practices around the country because insurance companies dont pay doctors, they sue them and medicare just delays payment forever
5: Obamacare's subsidies only work if you go through the govt run "exchanges" for medical coverage, where you pay vastly inflated prices for insurance that doesnt cover anything, and has a massive deductible (out of pocket expenses incurred before insurance pays anything)
6: Obamacare does extreme violence to our constitution and legal framework by imposing a tax fine that is neither a fine (which you can fight in court) or a tax (which you can not) while retaining taxation's unlimited scope and universal imposition, and a fine's punitive power
7: Obamacare hasnt made health insurance available to anyone, nearly 100% of the "new enrollment" is people who lost their medical insurance they got through their employer and are now on the medicare programs which were intended for the INDIGENT and operate like any other welfare program: endless paperwork, long wwaits, shit medical care, shame and self loathing for normal people, gibsmedat joy and deliberate abuse from the scum.
8 : Obamacare is functioning as designed, increasing Bwana Obama's donors profits in the insurance industry, and further eroding the american medical system until it will collapse, "forcing" marxists to take over and institute socialized medicine
9 : Obamacare is full of graft, pork, kickbacks, bureaucracy and bullshit for ZERO net benefit (except for the massive profits in insurance company pockets)

>Gynaecology
>"I'm a man"

Nothing is wrong with it per se. It is part of Obama's legacy, and Trump hates Obama, so wants to do everything to besmirch it.

And Trump got contacts with a lot of business owners who complained to him about high rates for employees. Stuff like: "We don't want to be required to provide health care to the poor like a decent 1st world country would do, we want to return to the 1% country".

Trump is pro-business first and foremost. It is what he thinks he knows best.

>, and as high as 60% of the income is taxable,

Not even close.
The highest IRPEF bracket is 75K+ and the tax for that is 43% not that far off from the 38% you have to pay after the 28K bracket.

The real jump is from the 21-28K bracket to the 28-55 one, it goes from 27% to 38% which is just fucking retarded.
And in 2018 they're upping the 8-15 bracket to 27.5% (from 23) and the 15-28 bracket to 31.5% (from 27).
They're also getting rid of the 28-55 and 55-75 brackets, everyone will be paying 43% right after 28K.

That'll be a fucking 11.5% increase from the 15-28 bracket to the 28+ one. E L E V E N P E R C E N T

You are not allowed to be middle class in this country. You can either be a poorfag or a rich ass faggot.
Anyway I digress, the highest income tax in Italy is 43% not 60.

I used to work 2 part time jobs before obongo was elected. Was healthy, rarely got sick, made lots cash.

When Obama care kicked in and I had to file taxes, I was charged over 600 dollars for not having healthcare.

I don't care what kind of excuse you can pull out of your ass hole, nothing will ever justify fining healthy hard-working people for being healthy. Fuck his system and fuck bongos.

in california people who make too much to get subsides cant afford the deductibles

People who get free care can only go to a few shitty doctors and wait weeks or months for an appointment

meaning emergency rooms are still packed with nonlife threatening bullshit because its the only way to get fast service

yes my bad i meant to say that the 60% was what was left after taxes

And yes, you are right, our taxation system is retarded like that. which is why people tends to evade taxes

> HMOs dont cover cancer treatment
cool story faggot, tell me another
> young healthy people have to live in terror of the cancer boogeyman hiding under the bed

0.5% of americans suffer from cancer.

that is 1 person out of 200
more people die in automobile crashes every year than cancer

source:
cancer.gov/about-cancer/understanding/statistics

Total fucking horseshit. You think the states filled with the most poor people (Red States) refusing to enact the ACA is what increased prices?

That is so unbelievably stupid. If the Red States actually accepted the provisions, the prices would be even more insane. Even the Democrats in Congress opposed Obama on the ACA because they knew it would be disasterous.

The worst thing is the Renzi bonus thing.

It's 960€/year, but it goes away proportionally after 24K of imponibile irpef until at 26K you lose all of it.

At the same time, being in the 15-28K bracket you pay 27% IRPEF on any income in that bracket.

This means that if your imponibile irpef is 24K you get:

15K taxed at 23% = 11.55K net
9K taxed at 27% = 6.57K net
+ 960€ from the bonus = 19080€ net (this is discounting local taxes)

If your imponibile irpef is 26K you get:

15K taxed at 23% = 11.55K net
11K taxed at 27% = 8.03K net
+ 0€ from the bonus = 19580€ net (this is discounting local taxes)

On that bit of income between 24K and 26K you're effectively paying 75% tax.

If you're making 26K it's massively more beneficial to put the extra 2K in a (((pension fund))), at least you can fully deduct them and keep the Renzi bonus.

Do surgeries and checkups really cost thousands and thousands of dollars? Or do they charge that much simply because the insurance will pay for it?

The solution to healthcare in a private system is to ban health insurance, and for the government to negotiate prices down to reasonable levels. You can still have taxes pay towards emergency care and childcare, but that would need to be characterised as a bare minimum, not an opening for more bennies.

If they kick up a fuss, arrest them or give them nasty accidents. They may have money, but they're not the banks, media of weapons manufacturers. They really don't have the power they think they do.

If you're not going for a single payer, socialised system (which is obviously not compatible with American ideals), then at least get rid of the insurance scams.

Also remove Medicare. Giving the cheapest healthcare to the people with a lifetime of savings is retarded.

Obamacare as a concept has roped completely disinterested parties into a broken insurance system. It's one thing for it to exist, it's another to convince the public that insurance companies are on the same level of necessity as fucking doctors.

America should be a place everywhere else goes to for affordable health care, the designated place for health tourism, where capitalism has made medicine abundant. You're missing out on easy bucks.

I can't believe how many idiots are on here saying "dur, I don't need insurance 'cause I is healthy!" Do you not understand how insurance works? You don't buy homeowner's insurance AFTER the house burns down.

You dumb shits are THE REASON health insurance costs so much in this country. When you finally need healthcare, and trust me- it's going to happen, you get a huge bill and go "dur, I can't pay this!" And then you don't pay it and the bill gets rolled into everyone else's insurance/healthcare costs. Then the shit is more and more unaffordable for more people who then can't pay and it's just a giant shit snow ball rolling downhill.

Don't get me wrong, Obamacare is a cluster fuck. But I can see what Obama was trying to pull off. I mean, he failed miserably. But what was he supposed to do?

How does this happen?

I'm sitting on $110 with BCBS.

I still think it's a ripoff.

no, but i also dont want to pay $450 a month for insurance with a $6,000 deductible, or get fined $1700 solely to subsidize insurance for poorer people so dems can buy votes.

its cheaper for me to pay cash

Insurances are necessary because they allow you to share the risk with anyone else.

If a full cancer treatment costs for example 500K dollars you'd have to keep 500K in liquid assets ready at all times to pay for it, even if the chance of it actually being YOU getting cancer is pretty low, let's say 2% for this example. And that would crash the economy.
Most peope would also simply be unable to save that kind of money, especially Americans considering how keen they are on blowing their money on stupid shit.

Conversely, if you can share that 2% risk with another 50 people, the price goes down to 10K upfront per capita and you're all covered, since it's statistically unlikely that so many people will get cancer all at once that it defaults the insurace company.

What makes absolutely no sense is allowing people to get an insurance after it's already clear that they have an expensive condition.
You don't insure your car AFTER YOU'VE FUCKING CRASHED IT, do you?

Also there should be checks in place to make sure there is actual competition between the various health insurances and especially between the hospitals.
>200$ for a fucking tylenol pill? Are you kidding me?

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>Wahh that guy isn't paying his fair share into our Communist Utopia™

these rate increases are what sealed the deal for trumps win. When you see that big of an increase, you look at the candidate who wants to keep that shit up, and you look at the one who wants to repeal it and then you make a choice

Insurance is a scam. The only insurance worth having is Universal Life and that's only because you can withdraw the cash value at age 59 1/2 for a retirement fund. So you aren't just wasting your money.

But all the insurance that you pay for in case of a "rainy day" is a fucking scam. You're paying for nothing or paying for someone else's claims. Which I don't care to do.

Most Obamacare hate is just partisan bullshit. Most of the ACA provided much needed legislation that helped Americans obtain healthcare. Most of the provisions that have legitimate criticisms don't affect the losers who plague Sup Forums, who will never own a business large enough to be impacted by Obamacare, but there are a few legitimate criticisms.

It was very harsh towards heavy labor small-to-medium sized businesses. It forced these companies with over 50 employees, which may not have large margins to provide healthcare for their employees, or pay a fine of 30,000 per employee up to 500,000 dollars. It should say something about how costly providing healthcare is when many of these companies chose to pay 500,000 dollars instead of providing healthcare.

There's others, such as many employers using part-time labor to avoid taxes, resulting in larger numbers of part-time employees seeking full-time work, and just overall penalizing those who forego insurance, but I digress. Overall, I am very for Obamacare, with some very specific changes that would change it's funding from individual tax contributions over employers. There are other changes needed to fix healthcare costs, but that is something else entirely.

I can't believe how many idiots are on here saying "dur, I don't need to vote for a republican 'cause democrats are awesome" Do you not understand how the political system works? You don't elect conservatives AFTER the country is on the brink of collapse.

You dumb shits are THE REASON political dissent costs so much in this country. When you finally need gibsmedats and govt intrusion, and trust me- it's going to happen, you get a huge leftist whore like hilldawg and go "dur, I can't vote for this!" And then you don't pay vote and then bill gets back into the whitehouse. Then the interns get more and more rape and more cum stained dresses and it's just a giant shit snow ball rolling downhill.

Don't get me wrong, the clintons are a cluster fuck. But I can see what the leftists are trying to pull off. I mean, they failed miserably. But what were they supposed to do?


how dare anyone disagree with you?
not submitting to your demands is like fascism!
we should est up some kind of secret police to ensure ideological purity, and ban all dissenting political parties, then we can march forward into the future boldly, with our red banners flying proudly!

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So what? I'm reading every post in this thread. So far I see people making educated comments and others making nonsensical comments.

I just asked a question. I'm not American obviously. Just curious.

Better than paying $1000000 monthly even if you don't need a checkup

those who wish to impose their will on others (notably marxists, leftists and other scum) never make arguments based on facts.

they scream and cry and demand others respect their feels

Obamacare screwed so much of america's working class that they voted for Trump.

they (and by that i mean me) would have voted for a pile of steaming dog shit if it promised to undo the damage the leftists have done to our country and secure our borders.

I pay 50 dollars a check up.

I have spent maybe 1000 dollars on health/doctors since I left school in 2006. I'm 27 now. I just recently had loads of bloodtests done, at no cost to me, bulk billed to medicare. I pay good taxes, I expect and demand as such.

America's system is a joke.

It did. That poster was absolutely correct.

The problem is most people who bought insurance were paying for useless coverage that had all sorts of exemptions for when people really got sick; that's why people would go bankrupt over medical costs even though they "have insurance". The ACA made those plans illegal, so insurers started to charge for the real price of milk.

This is what raised everyone's prices.

The rest was supposed to be offset by subsidies and increases in medicaid, but Republican states both fought the subsidies in court (won) and refused medicaid coverage so that the poorest people wouldn't be covered.

You can look it up. They were nakedly transparent about the whole thing; even a few Republicans had the decency to decry it.

If you lived in America you would understand. Health insurance costs has skyrocketed. There is only one insurance company left in my state. I have to drive to another city to visit a doctor. It's a disaster.

>$400
>Saved from cancer

Chemo usually doesn't even work, faggot.

OP, you will be healthier if you literally do the opposite of what the AMA says. WHY THE FUCK WOULD I WANT HEALTHCARE. IT IS ONLY GOOD FOR TRAUMA SO YOU CAN PAY BILLS GTFO WITH THIS SHIT

Before obama I never paid that much for a checkup. And guess what you 3rd worlder, I won't after him either.

This is what's wrong with it

>nobody likes getting forced to pay for something
>if you want healthcare get your own
>if you can't afford it, don't force others to foot the bill for something they don't need (even if they might need it later and you think their decision is stupid.)
>respect people and their property enough to realize they are not your personal piggy bank to dip into, whenever your life turns to shit.

And we know this, this is something I want all of you Sup Forumsites out there to try, because we can both cross check price increases overtime and state-by-state. but until that happens you can literally call bs on any poster here.

It's not that we don't like insurance, idiot, it's that we don't like getting charged for not having it.

It's like if you live in an apartment and get charged for not owning a home. It's not as if owning a house isn't the eventual goal. It's that you aren't ready to pay for the fucking house yet.

exactly. obamacare made men pay for gynecology and maternity shit.

> you can look it up
yes, the democrat shills will explain exactly how wrong, evil and meanspirited anyone who disagrees with them really is.

the medicare expansions were budget busters for the states.

increase your medicare expenditures by X%, and the feds will increase the medicare federal grants by Y%, (and Y is always smaller then X) but only for 5 years, after that, the states have to massively increase taxation to pay for the unfunded mandate

who could argue with a sound well thought out plan like that?

most people dont "buy insurance", they GET medical insurance through their employer, and yes, the employer plans were SHIT unless you were in a union or management, but a shit sandwich is better than a fascist police state and forced penury through govt imposition of "penaltaxes" for refusing to comply.

youre a retard if you think obamacare is a good idea.

it's a poison pill, designed to erode what remains of america's health care system, until the whole thing collapses and leftist crypto-marxists have to ride to the rescue with an american version of cuban style socialized medicine.

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How did did you rationalize the state and you paying for emergency room visits when that was the norm?

How bout we just build a couple less nuclear subs and CIA black helicopters a year and just give American citizens free healthcare like every other 1st world country?

>the medicare expansions were budget busters for the states.
No they weren't. The Federal government gave grants to cover the cost, they refused. It was a big deal here in Michigan, because our Republican governor had to beg the Repulibcan legislature to take the money.

because fuck "free" healthcare. costs moved into taxes isn't free

That might be a family plan, or he might have a pre-existing condition.

Abolish the AMA. Their entire purpose for existing is to commodify healthcare services.

Insurance is supposed to cover catastrophic events, like cancer, heart attack, surgery. It's not supposed to cover continuous treatments like medications. Having health insurance that covers drugs that you take everyday is like having homeowners insurance that covers regular maintenance.

That all being said, some drugs are so expensive that they're unaffordable without insurance, which is why insurance is supposed to be a cost-sharing program. But if that's the case, wouldn't it be better to simply have universal coverage instead of giving corporate welfare to a bunch of insurance companies?

The premise of Obamacare was good, but the implementation of the details was shit.

but you're already paying for it. hospitals are obligated to treat shit even if someone can't pay for it. In a system where some people can afford it and some can't, the people who can't still go to the hospitals and you end up paying for it not them when your insurance companies raises their rates to cover. There are plenty of dumb fucking useless or corrupt shit that your taxes go toward that could be better used to simply provide health care for everyone and cut out all the admin bullshit that goes along with it. Our healthcare system is basically as bad as any 3rd world nigger country. If we used tax money for actual useful shit for US citizens then there would be less for these corrupt pieces of shit politicians to funnel into their bank accounts

"grants" to cover LESS THAN THE IMPOSED COSTS, and only for a short time.

why are you such a fucking duplicitous liar?

ohh thats right, youre a crypto-marxist who doesnt understand how budgets, economies and sovereignty work

if i came to your house and offered you a lifetime subscription to my cuck porn website (with inescapable monthly rebilling) you would refuse

if i offered you the same deal at 75% off the regular price for 5 years (then full price afterwards) would that sound like a better offer for high quality affordable interracial humiliation porn?
of course! you would be a fool to refuse!

if i explained to you that your children would be REQUIRED to log in to my cuck porn website at least twice a day or face peanlty/tax for refusing to enjoy shameful white cucks being humiliated by well hung bulls, well that would be icing on the cake right?

if i further explained that if you refuse to take advantage of this awesome deal, it would be imposed on you whether you like it or not, and your kids would STILL have to watch poor little white boys suck the cum out of fat greasy slut's creampies and lick the bull's thick juicy cocks clean, well if you dont like that, then youre on the wrong side of history!

plus youre racist bigoted homophobic and cis-normative.

>why are you such a fucking duplicitous liar?
I could ask you the same question.

I actually studied the problem, and I know with 100% metaphysical certainty that I am correct. I am more confident in my answer than I am that the sun will rise tomorrow.

oh, so i guess the problem is americans are just too stupid to recognize your genius, even when we have it thrust upon us.

you havent made an argument, you have lied, and made grandiose claims about yourself and your superiority.

meanwhile, obamacare is still exactly as shitty now as it was when nacy pelosi said "we have to pass it so we can see whats in it!"

I have spoken nothing but truths that you can easily verify if you wanted to.

That you dislike this is of no consequence to me.

>everyone with a preexisting condition is a lazy parasite

You ever like, take a step back and just think for once, sometimes people get shit genetically and there's nothing they can do about it on their own? Or maybe they get in an accident, or are the victim of a crime..

But no, they're all just lazy parasites, if they had a boot straps attitude it'd cure that cancer or crohn's disease or lupus, or multiple myeloma, or aplastic anemia right away.

DON'T WORRY TRUMP WILL FIX EVERYTHING RIGHT GUIES?

>"The ends justify the means, we have to insure everyone, no matter the cost!"

>"The ends justify the means, we have to insure everyone, no matter the cost!"

A medicare for all system would solve all our problems and if you say otherwise you are a shill for insurance industries.

In the evolutionary sense, why should we save genetic defects?

>t. Insurance Salesman

Yeah you're right, let's just not bother with trying to save lives.

Let's not develop medications that can turn cripples into productive members of society.

I'm sure if you ever get a debilitating illness there was nothing you could do to prevent, you'll just lay down on the floor and let death take you.

ur dum lmao

What? That would literally put an insurance salesman out of business.

Do you even read the things you respond to?

Who cares if a virus whips out 500 million people, what's best for the free market?

no it would leave 21 million without obamacare

because those defects will pass on and cause suffering for far more people than if the original mutated dna was allowed to disappear. learn to see past the immediate picture

Its been around for 7 years faggot. Google it

>Exactly what is wrong with Obama Care.
Soaring premium costs. It's a pyramid scheme

>Do Americans seriously want to pay $1,000,000 just for getting a checkup?
Most of us already had insurance.

You do realize that about half of the diseases I listed start popping up in the 40's and 50's right? By that time, if they're going to reproduce, they already have, so from an "evolutionary" standpoint IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER.

You've obviously got a low IQ, please don't reproduce.

>Soaring premium costs. It's a pyramid scheme
In what way is it a pyramid scheme? Be specific.

Dude health insurance is MORE EXPENSIVE now. It used to be $1,000,000. Now its fucking $3,000,000

he hasnt even announced his plan you fucking kike

People that argue it was bad probably were too young to be in the market for health insurance before Obamacare.

>he hasnt even announced his plan you fucking kike

That's the number if Obamacare is repealed and there is no replacement because Obamacare is the GOP healthcare plan

Also a Trumpfag calling me a kike.

"truths" that exist only within your narrow and biased perspective.

"truths" that only survive within the left wing scho chamber

"truths" that are so self-evident you have to constantly tell people how true it is, because they simply dont believe you, and instead trust their own lying eyes.

"truths" so universal and inescapable that most of america doesnt believe it

"truths" so abundantly supplied with proof, that you have to scream cry and hurl ad hominems to make sure that no dissenting opinons are heard

your entire argument is "do ur own research!!"
and "im right because the leftists tell me so"

meanwhilke, the clear and unassailable evidence that obamacare was crafted in secret by THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY and sold with lies, deception and outright fraud is inescapable

youtube.com/watch?v=G790p0LcgbI

thehill.com/policy/healthcare/223578-obamacare-architect-lack-of-transparency-helped-law-pass

now go fuck yourself.

i think i have obamacare but i never paid anything for it. am i getting free healthcare or smth? i was recently at the ER too

uh do you have an insurance card?

>thehill.com/policy/healthcare/223578-obamacare-architect-lack-of-transparency-helped-law-pass
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

ya says dept of social services or smth

so you're on Medicaid? are you disabled or something?

have you ever gone to the Obama-hospital and seen an Obama-doctor for your Obama-care?

no.

what you have is Medicare (medical, texicare, whatever they call it in your state) the same "top quality care" given to homeless drug addicts, illegal aliens and niggers on welfare.

if you actually do get sick, or get hit by a car, or get shot by a nigger, youll likely die in the waiting room of a county hospital while they process your paperwork, and THEN if you survive, youll still get massive bills from the various treatments that arent covered by medicare (like anesthesia, surgery, blood transfusions, etc, basically everything except a "wellness checkup" and prenatal care) and will be hounded by collection agencies till the end of time.

you would get better medical care if you were in prison.

Here is the simplest explanation I can give. You told insurance companies that you were going to, under penalty of law, force the entire population to purchase their product while simultaneously telling them they were required to cover people the companies know to be chronic patients which was going to cost them money. The companies responded by predictably jacking up their rates. Even with government assistance, people who already couldn't afford healthcare ended up paying over 100 dollars per month for insurance. Said insurance, had deductibles in the thousands before the insurance companies would pay a dime. This means the patient is financially responsible for thousands of dollars of bills before they are covered by their insurance. Therefore, you illegally forced people to buy a product they couldn't afford, that gave them no real benefit, and actively hurt those that could afford coverage by raising their taxes, and or causing their employer to cancel or dismantle the coverage they already had. It only passed, because the average American liberal is too stupid to realize they are being fucked in the long game and needed to be replaced.

no. unless working a shit job makes you disabled

the cheif architect of obamacare explains HIMSELF that his scheme was so shitty, so unaffordable and so destructive that he had to deceive the congress and the people to get it passed.

but it's for our own good...

if you cant see how this casts doubt on your specious regurgitated left wing talking points disguised as arguments, then youre an idiot and are not worth my time.

so okay.. you are working at a job and making little enough money that you qualified for the medicaid expansion then, and you're in a state that actually took the medicaid expansion block grants. So yeah, when Obamacare is repealed, you will lose that and be uninsured.

Obamacare isn't universal healthcare...

too bad our healthcare is freeeeee