Thread for discussion of Italian Fascism, and other forms of fascism, Mosley, Codreanu, Falange, etc. Also for sharing fascist literature and information.
A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested
Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"
Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction
Oswald Mosely Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera Benito Mussolini Adolf Hitler Stepan Bandera Corneliu Zelea Codreanu Salazar Ramiro Ledesma Ramos Ettore Ovazza Gaetano Mosca Friedrich Nietzsche Charles Maurras Enrico Corradini Filippo Tommaso Marinetti Johann Plenge Alceste De Ambris Gabriele d'Annunzio George Lincoln Rockwell Juan Perón Giovanni Gentile Julius Evola
Types of Fascism
Italian Falangism National-Syndicalism British Union National-Socialism Strasserism Meme futurism Clerical Fascism Brazilian Integralism Peronism
"[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly."~Oswald Mosely
>philosophic conception Fascism is thought and action. It is action with an inherent doctrine which, arising out of a given system of historic forces, is inserted in it and works on it from within. It has therefore a form co-related to the contingencies of time and place; but it has at the same time an ideal content which elevates it into a formula of truth in the higher region of the history of thought.
Nathaniel Robinson
>spiritual conception To Fascism the world is not this material world which appears on the surface, in which man is an individual separated from all other men, standing by himself and subject to a natural law which instinctively impels him to lead a life of momentary and egoistic pleasure. In Fascism man is an individual who is the nation and the country. He is this by a moral law which embraces and binds together individuals and generations in an established tradition and mission, a moral law which suppresses the instinct to lead a life confined to a brief cycle of pleasure in order, instead, to replace it within the orbit of duty in a superior conception of life, free from the limits of time and space a life in which the individual by self-abnegation and by the sacrifice of his particular interests, even by death, realises the entirely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists.
Juan Price
>ethical conception This positive conception of life is evidently an ethical conception. And it comprises the whole reality as well as the human activity which domineers it. No action is to be removed from the moral sense; nothing is to be in the world that is divested of the importance which belongs to it in respect of moral aims. Life, therefore, as the Fascist conceives it, is serious, austere, religious; entirely balanced in a world sustained by the moral and responsible forces of the spirit. The Fascist disdains the "easy" life.
Ethan Morgan
>religious conception Fascism is a religious conception in which man is considered to be in the powerful grip of a superior law, with an objective will which transcends the particular individual and elevates him into a fully conscious member of a spiritual society. Anyone who has stopped short at the mere consideration of opportunism in the religious policy of the Fascist Regime, has failed to understand that Fascism, besides being a system of government, is also a system of thought.
Matthew Garcia
Anyone with questions, feel free to ask them.
Nathaniel Brown
>A Fascist Nation is A nation where all corporations, all industries, exist to further the state and those within it. Corporations and industries may need to be nationalized. Unions, consisting of citizens, need to exist and cooperate with the state and with the corporations/industries themselves. The state acts as an intermediary between the people and the industries. A protectionist economy. The nation also prides themselves in their culture, their history. A Spanish fascist state would idealize Spaniard's history, their triumphs, their culture. Citizen's taking pride in their culture. They would oppose immigration and race mixing. They would support nationalism and fascism in other countries. They would make sure corporations are benefiting their country - not other nations and not just their CEOs. Identity, Culture, National Unity, and an economy that exists to further the state and the people's wealth. People should take pride in their work and the things their nation produces. People should be happy to work for a more prosperous nation. People should have morals and family values. Children should learn outdoorsmanship and discipline. A unified, loving family should be promoted. Promiscuity should be discouraged. Things like "slut walks" should be disgusting to people.
Bentley Gomez
>Good fascists >Adolf Hitler
Hilarious, literally destroyed DE forever.
Owen Cook
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Grayson Smith
No, leftists guilt tripped them into destroying themselves.
Joseph James
You write this? It's good
Henry Sanchez
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Lucas Barnes
How do you feel about republican fascism, by the way? Like, how the Founding Fathers originally wanted Senators chosen by State Legislatures -- traditionalism and order would still be upheld as virtues, but you wouldn't necessarily need a problematic single leader.
Jaxson Lewis
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Grayson Garcia
I did! I consider myself a traditional Fascist. Actually wrote that last night after frustratingly seeing people on here debate fascism and neither of them knew what the fuck they were talking about. Thank you for saying it's good, I'm going to school for copywriting. Appreciate it.
Isaiah Flores
Ah yes, I remember that last night. Now that you say it I think I remember seeing your post last night, I had never gave it a full read though
William Wilson
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Jonathan Miller
That still wouldn't be fascism though
Chase Perry
Well, I support repealing the 17th Amendment under the simple fact that we are a United States. We got rid of the Articles of Confederation, but still - we are supposed to be states who have joined one Union together. We are different and vast but we are all in this union. The House was meant for the people, and the Senate was meant to deal with issues of the individual states and foreign policy especially due to the fact that the states make up the nation. The 17th Amendment destroys that. Republican Fascism in general? I think, in an ideal Fascist society, families should be able to elect members of a Parliament for their county to represent them in a completely Fascist House. People can run against each other, but all in government (and ideally all the people) must understand that Fascism - loyalty to the pursument of a more powerful and well run state/a more prosperous nation and people - is the only way.
Jonathan Garcia
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Benjamin Anderson
What if I'm against totalitarianism?
Jacob Hall
Fascism is authoritarian
Lucas Price
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Jaxson Walker
Rodolfo Graziani
Logan Martinez
Any recommended readings?
Lincoln Kelly
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Jose Martin
Doctrines of fascism, for my legionaries, fascism viewed from the right, revolt against the modern world, men among the ruins
>reminder that Italian Libya, Eritrea and Somalia were beacons of European culture in Africa. The Kingdom invested millions in making it beautiful, hundreds of thousands of Italians immigrated and populated cities, farmed the land, and tourists came from all over. Italian Colonies were by and far the most civilized and beautiful in Africa. Look what the Allies let the most beautiful countries in East Africa become. Kenya and Zambia are the only ones that didn't come out completely fucked, and that's just because they haven't started a war against their white farmers.
Robert Powell
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William Long
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Aiden Evans
I am for fascism but I reject "righteous violence" on the grounds that it can easily be directed at the innocent and spin out of control.
Julian Morgan
In a fascist society you can be sure violence would only go towards criminals, traitors, and communists
Nolan Sullivan
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Jacob Richardson
And once they're all gone (especially the Communists), you have a beautiful society of beautiful people creating happy families and all working together to make the State great
Brody Wright
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Logan Jenkins
Indeed, in order for there to be peace there must first be violence
>First time reading the 1919 manifesto And why exactly would anyone be opposed to this? When can we start purging liberals, because Mussolini seemed to describe a pretty great system
Cameron Campbell
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Jaxon Morris
Bump.
Grayson Parker
Oy are you an Integralist?
Sebastian Moore
You can't have a perfect system. Yes innocents would be targeted on mistake but innocents today being targeted by corporations and the jewry. Basically being cattle and slaves.
Ayden Phillips
A hostile takeover now wouldn't be successful unless at least 70% or 80% of the country was with us.
Angel Green
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Owen Stewart
Yeah I was being more reactionary than anything else.
So it seems like, at least from what I can tell, there are differences between Italian fascism and German National Socialism. Am I right?
I'm starting to get red pilled on fascism. My other question for you, since you seem well versed; in (((school))) I was always taught that fascist governments had dictators that seized power. Are there democratically elected fascist leaders? The first one is likely elected, but are there examples of fascist governments safely transferring power from one elected leader to another? And would things little term limits apply in a fascist government?
Keep these threads up. I'm very interested in learning about this
Anthony Walker
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Kevin Jackson
And I guess more of a general question so others lurking can get some answers; what is the difference between fascism and communism?
James Harris
Yes, they're different, but still apart of the same family. Every countrys version of fascism differed just a bit from others, fascism is meant to be taken and be molded and crafted to fit every countrys situation and needs. And yes, hitler was elected democratically, Mussolini was just kind of placed leader by the current king. But transferring power? No, the topic of succession was never decided upon. Its up to us to develop a sort of electoral system, and terms? No, every fascist leader was going to be leader until their deaths, however we can develop term limits. We just have to avoid becoming near a democracy.
John Kelly
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Thomas Gutierrez
ITT: Namefags circlejerking and thinking anyone actually cares what they have to say.
Daniel Murphy
Gotcha. That's one of the things that bothers me a bit. I don't like the idea of a leader forever being in place until they're dead. Safely transferring power via an election or some other appointment seems like a better way to ensure the state will continue and not crumble after the leader is gone.
What about free speech? I suppose that can be rather open ended, but I've always read that fascist governments tend to purge free speech or dissenting opinions, media, or literature.
Jayden Johnson
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Eli Clark
Many comparisons in here, but most important for me is that communism is sick, it robs the people of all soul, national pride, sense, and emotion. It works to make people effectively robots, whereas fascism places the upmost of pride and love one people can have for a country. Fascism enables the people to have a deep love for their homeland, to fill their souls with joy and pride. Fascism encourages every man to be an inspiration to his fellow man, to build the state's strength, as the people make the state.
Connor Morris
LEAF
Hunter Ortiz
Francisco Franco served all the way until his death until 1975 and over a third of Spain still loves him and wishes the falangist party to come back. I see your point though, and I agree. I think 20-30 year terms would sound good. It's all up for debate though. And yeah, about free speech, what schools don't tell you is that the media and literature that is destroyed or banned is marxist and communist literature. The state would essentially take every critique into consideration, however if these "critiques" came from banned parties, action would most likely be taken.
Austin Nguyen
>And yeah, about free speech, what schools don't tell you is that the media and literature that is destroyed or banned is marxist and communist literature And nothing of value is lost, satan.
Indeed, marxism needs to be eradicated as a whole.
Michael Sanchez
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Brayden Turner
I see. My only concern is the state having arbitrary definitions of what is or isn't allowed. I could see something like a "people's contract" being enforced that clearly defines what is and isn't socially degenerate.
Still have problems with the idea of the state having that much social control, though. Mainly because the US didn't need to have a fascist social policy back in the 40s and 50s and people were still plenty nationalistic and anti degenerate.
I'm all for nationalism and anti degeneracy. I just think what defines degeneracy should roughly be left to the individual. Obviously not for certain things that would cause harm to others, but you get what I'm saying. I wouldn't want the government banning death metal, for example, just because someone gets a stick up their ass about it without understanding it. If that makes any sense
Jonathan Mitchell
Were we taught marxist propaganda ?
Jacob Turner
Lmao y'all are a bunch of edgy teenagers
Aiden Cooper
Not from what I remember. But I'm a slavshit and my parents grew up in the Soviet Union, so I've read some Commie stuff here and there.
Eli Hall
>back in the 40s and 50s and people were still plenty nationalistic and anti degenerate.
I believe that fascism is not necessarily a permanent state of being. Fascism is a stepping stone to nationalist libertarianism. Fascism is the bleach to society. You don't need bleach all the time, just some clean wipes will do the job for the most part. But when you have a state filled with Jewish-marxist propaganda, an awful school system, degenerate media, disloyal citizens, miscegenation etc you need a lot of fucking bleach. But once everything is clean, people usually do a good job in maintaining the internal cleanliness of society as long as the state maintains the cleanliness of who is allowed into the country.
Jaxon Garcia
no u
Aiden Roberts
In the 40s and 50s aye, but look at were we are now? Once degeneracy takes root and becomes normalized it only goes onto to the next, and the next, all downhill. Its not based upon if a singular person gets mad about or upset about something, if will harm or degrade the people as a whole then it will be regulated.
Carter Lewis
>LARPing this hard every night.
BAKA son. Ideologies are for the weak willed.
Robert Hill
>discuss fascism >larping I have my own personal version of fascism, I'm not marching around dressed as one of Mussolinis blackshirts.
Oliver Hill
That makes sense. But what happens if the state refuses to relinquish power? Let's say that the state has removed degeneracy and is "bleached" as you've put it. Human nature is to keep holding on to power so how can it be trusted to be relinquished when the time is right?
I'm not big on Roman history, but isn't that somewhat similar to Caesar not giving up his power when he said he would, leaving the country under his rule when that wasn't the original plan?
Benjamin Fisher
Fascism scum. There is only one way and that is to follow the teachings ofAshur.
Owen Cox
So what caused the spiral into degeneracy? My understanding is Soviet subversion, which of course is communistic influence.
Brandon Richardson
The seed had already been planted long before that, progressive era starting in the early 1900s. Halted by the war, but continued its downward spiral and is still continuing this very moment. Fascism lays the blame on the revolutionary teachings France went through, in the 1800s. They introduced classic liberalism, which all eventually led down to this.
Jeremiah Rivera
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Kevin Baker
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Camden Bennett
>But what happens if the state refuses to relinquish power?
This is why you need an honourable leader who does what is best for his citizens, like a Great King or Emperor. I also don't mean for the state to relinquish power, the state still has full liberty to exercise it's power but has granted freedom to it's citizens.
The Byzantine empire lasted for 1000 years and flourished. The emperor at anytime could have simply fucked every single person in the country and go full imperium, taxed them to oblivion, started curfew etc. But the Byzantine emperors regularly granted freedoms to its citizens except when at war.
It's always in the states best interest to allow free citizens but not politically free citizens which is what creates revolutions. Rome for a long time was economically and socially free but not politically free. Imperial Rome was based until the Emperors started continually getting assassinated. People were loyal to the Empire because they were indoctrinated with Roman values which is what Rome was built on. That is why it's perfectly okay to have socially free citizens because they won't act into mass degeneracy when they have been taught values from a very young age.
Lincoln Taylor
you were born and raised in Cyprus ?
Carson Ward
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Juan Perez
1794
James Wood
Adopt Mid-Mod Aesthetic and I'm in.
Dylan Sanders
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Brayden Wright
Day of the rake™
I was born in Russia, but I was mostly raised here.