The new film by Mr. Peter Joseph, creator of The Zeitgeist Movement
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Capitalism has been invaluable in allowing us to reach our level of technology and societal progress, but since we now live in a post scarcity world, IT IS NO LONGER RELEVANT
>This is communism and/or socialism
No, it's not; both use money. No money, no rulers. Let's explore space together senpai.
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I haven't watched the clip, but I already disagree with the premise that we live in a post-scarcity society.
Perhaps they'll explain it in a way that I wind up acknowledging as true, but...
I just watched it and I'm not sure what type of movie this is trying to be other than alarmist and low-budget.
What is post-scarcity supposed to mean?
>post-scarcity
I want to own an asteroid. Are there enough asteroids for everyone?
This douche that just makes up history and intentionally misrepresents Holy Scripture to fit his agenda? Yeah, totally high hopes for this loon.
how do you not believe we live in a post scarcity society? have you see the amount of food stores throw away everday? there's robots and machines that can do the work of 100 men in 1 day. GMO's allow us extreme abundance in everything. there's so much leftover tech that becomes obeselete before it sells that eventually becomes trash.
i know i'm responding to an australian but there's people out there who seriously believe we're not capable of giving everyone a high quality of life.
>Zeitgeist
NO. NOT AGAIN. LEAVE /f/ ALONE
I think since most people know by now that Zeitgeist was pretty much just made up to begin with and discredited, not many people will pay attention to this. It's kinda like how originally, everyone *did genuinely think Blair Witch Project was real... but after word got out that it was just clever marketing, nobody gave two squirts of piss about further sequels.
have you seen any of his other films? For example Zeitgeist 2 explains it.
Basically what it means is that with current technology we have the ability to feed, house and clothe every human bean on earth, and we have cool capabilities like evacated tube technology. What is holding us back is not ability, but cost (fiat currency cost)
It also gets into things like how nothing is built to last and you need people to perpetually consume to keep the system going and we don't do sustainable things.
That's basically the gist of it.
boo hoo butthut christfag pissed he exposed christianity as utter bullshit. Praise Kek!
>, but since we now live in a post scarcity world
dumb propaganda, scarcity is man made, all by design.
> Let's explore space
space doesn't exist, you won't go past 100km high
to the trash it goes.
thanks for the bumb, m80
>we now live in a post scarcity world
No
Christianity built Western civilization.
It took 200 years for you secularists to degenerate society so far that children are now confused as to which bathroom to use.
Ah, enlightenment. Wonderful, isn't it?
if scarcity is man made, that's kinda his point.
I wouldn't know about space not existing, but that's not really the point. It's a line from an old Bill Hicks joke
Whats @102km then?
what is scarce dog? I'm talking things we need to survive.
>creator of The Zeitgeist Movement
its gonna be shit
Man, these commies never get tired of trying(and failing) the same old bullshit.
This is just the start of the "new pitch", just wait and see how many more propaganda films come out, all with the same idea of "yeah capitalism is OK but its already served its purpose, its time for PROGRESS"
maybe it did, maybe it didn't (nothing is that simple). Doesn't mean it isn't a lie.
No movie will be greater than COLLAPSE
>progress
Precisely.
Just ask a progressive one question. Where are they progressing to?
Watch them squirm, because "progress" is like a tomato seed. Every time you think you have it pinned down with your finger on it, it pops out from underneath you.
Alright, you missed the part where communism still uses money so this can't be communism.
And yeah, capitalism has been a glorious success to get us to this point, but it is no longer relevant, not with what is currently technologically impossible. The federal reserve, the need for money, all of it, just holds back societal progress at this point. We are so far removed from what is actually possible it is disgusting.
In case you wondered.There is a whole world outside of burgerland.But if you are honest,you will understand even burgerwonderland is not post-scarcity.
On the other hand if you can see 2 steps forward you would know post-scarcity is what will truly destroy the human civilisation.
>maybe it did
Really? The university was exclusively Catholic. The scientific method was further developed from the Greeks and Romans by the Catholic Church.
Objectivity and the law of non-contradiction was refined in the fires of Catholic scholasticism.
>hey guys lets stop doing what has worked for literally centuries and try something that doesnt last even for 50 years.
If you dont like the society, then remove yourself from it, I'd gladly take your place as a disciple of the hidden hand.
The film has long been thoroughly debunked.
Theres a HUGE difference between actual redpills and when some faggot reads a modern, English version of the Bible, compares it to some allegedly Babilonian tale and declares that all Monotheistic religions borrow heavily from Babilonian theology. The movie is 99% shit like that and it's terrible.
I can't believe anyone would still trust this attention-seeking moron, TBQH.
If the world was post scarcity, things wouldn't cost money. The only post scarcity that exists is ENTERTAINMENT which is only kept alive by marketing. We could stop producing entertainment products right now and people could just watch all the fucking movies they want, listen to music or play games. There is nearly endless supply of that, but it needs hard drives, cables and other electronics to be received so you need natural resources for that.
POST SCARCITY DOESNT EXIST. YOURE RETARDED IF YOU PAY FOR VIDEOGAMES MOVIES OR MUSIC.
>how do you not believe we live in a post scarcity society?
>have you see the amount of food stores throw away everday?
>there's so much leftover tech that becomes obeselete before it sells that eventually becomes trash.
that not what post scarcity mean jerome.
You faggots this has happened over and over again.
Humanity will be saved after THIS revolution.
You must be the thickest fucking cunt in the world if you think that some revolution is going to save us from greed.
Deep bro. NOT!
I won't squirm. How about ending war and mass starvation. Eliminating the need to work shitty pointless jobs and instead we can be creative and walk the earth and volunteer time to improving the human condition and freeing ourselves from a life of drudgery.
What a great oppertunity to see into the psyche of a leftist to try and better understand why it is they're so batshit crazy and insane.
>disciple of the hidden hand
Full of shitskins that didn't contribute much. Yeah no thanks.
go back to leftypol you faggot
if i own a very small 27 acre farm and some rental properties but dont want to join in your society. how do you give everyone a house and food. Why would i spend hours digging foundations or building supports for your tube with low air pressure. What if a million of us don't join in and keep on capitalisimiming
Welcome to the fruit of revolutionary politics.
Capitalism is state sponsored usury.
Socialism is state sponsored theft.
Both end in the same result.
You people want more revolution which only leads to, guess what? Further revolution. You can't found a stable society on a principle of rebellion.
post-scarcity would mean that things aren't scarce anymore.
>Creator of Zeitgeist
Enough said. Not watching.
time, labor, and space.
But they are.
>If the world was post scarcity, things wouldn't cost money.
You're a special kind of retard.
If I remember correctly, the Zeitgeist guy said on the Jones show many years ago that a computer would select who would live and die, what jobs they would get, etc.
Just communism under a technological dictatorship.
No.
>Let's explore space together senpai.
>now live in a post scarcity world
Why are you not exploring space right now? not enough ressources?
Look at this faggot
this movie looks bluepilled as hell.
edgy.
This.
Post-scarcity would mean you could torrent yourself a ham sammich, house, car, etc
Even though it may be illegal everybody would do it and there would be no real way to prevent someone from obtaining anything bar having no knowledge of how to do so.
>we now live in a post scarcity world
I will supply my address in a follow-up post but could you please prepare ten metric tons of gold for shipping please?
you don't have to dig shits machines can do that. The people renting from you will leave. Go ahead and stay out there alone if you wish, doing useless labor. No one will force you to join, but you will want to.
i've never been there and you're a faggot.
I love his idea's, but fear the control mechanisms that would be needed in order to bring about their implementation. I don't think that the current power structures will release control. I also fear the loss of individual liberty that would need to take place in order for any of that to actually work.
I'm not a communist.
>I think communism is wrong.
>I believe though in a resource-based economy where a centralized group of individuals use technology and their intellect to equally distribute resources to a large number of people in an egalitarian society. I'm not a communist.
commie : the movie
disliked, not watching it
I'd like to trade your gold for my clipped fingernails. Do we have a deal?
but if i don't join and a million of want to keep our land and property where will you grow food, live, mine. we will still have police and stuff
Haaa
you don't remember correctly. That was a great "debate" though, AJ was sperging out about lions hunting and shit. It was hilarous.
Stef vs Peter Joseph
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AJ vs. PJ
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Dude we live in a post-scarcity world now so you can just take your car and get some gold from the gold depot.
Post scarcity does not mean you have nothing to pay....
Post scarcity means everyone can have goldplated toilets if we want.Because we have enough gold = no scarcity.
You having to pay is merely secondary to that is the resource even available in the quantities demanded?Guess what.They are not.
lololol
>HACK THA SYSTEM
>USE ALL MONEY TO ADVANCE TECHNOLOGY
>BT GIB TO CHURITY
>BLACK LEADERSHIP
>GREAT LEAP FOR— I MEAN GREAT TRANSITION
This seems like a movie about making people think revolting and having a revolution now will fix the future and do great things for it. However the premise is this weird egalitarian future with some accurate predictions laced in to make it seem very possible. Yea you know if you can hack the accounts of the top 50 richest people and put all their money into the system without them having any means to retrieve it. Then yea we'll do great things.
Let me know how that goes
That word "debunked" is so gay.
In any event, none of the later films delve into controversial conspiracy theories, unless you cosider expose the federal reserve and the money creation process as one.
Zeitgeist One was a personal "performance art" project he did live with music that he decided to throw up on the internet one day and it went viral.
Zeitgeists are mild propaganda in the redpill disguise for the one world government.Ofc its retarded and wont work.
Actually that would cause me a time loss and thus cause me a loss of time which in turn would create a scarcity which doesn't exist in post scarcity. I'll just use my portable dimension hole and get it out from there.
That was the joke.
WE WILL BE SECRET DESPOT
I enjoyed his "culture in decline" series on youtube a few years back.
I think he also intellectually spanked pol's favorite undereducated demagogue.
He is a leftie by local standarts, but he is absolutely right in his assessment of modern capitalistic system as unsustainable and insane.
>being this boring in 2k17
LULW
Oh fuck you're right everything I want should happen right now otherwise I am experiencing a time scarcity.
it's different now because what is technologicaly possible now was never possible during past revolutions.
If this is going to happen it will peaceful and because everyone comes to this conclusion and they just no longer buy in and no longer play the game. Once this become common knowledge those insisting on hanging on will be vastly outnumbered and screwed.
money.
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Watched the trailer. It's shit. With too many stronk weeman
retard.
>Transexual anchors, mestizos outlaws and black women thinkers will save our world
Ok
Oh god this cuck isn't back is he?
He became irrelevant after he had a spat with Jaque Fresco & the leadership of this leaderless revolution corrupted the movement. TZM & TVP are finished and good riddance, they're nothing more than Marxist Technocrats redressed & re-memed.
how do you convince people to become plumbers in your society? what about janitors?
i understand and have the same reservations TBQH
These docs are pretty shit compared to your average Adam Curtis
>1 to 10 how excited are you for this film?
i'd say a 1. probably not watching this movie ever. why is this dude into such low production value? is that like a style choice or something? fuck these hippie films. nigger we wuz ultimate hakers shit. i once tried to sit down and watch zeitgeist but it was so horrible that i couldnt even finish it.
Please explain this
what use do you have for gold when there is no = money? What are you gonna do with all your gold bro? Look at it?
so its like communist propaganda wrapped in "ooh technology!" plus some /x/-tier nonsense? I haven't ever seen Zeitgeist.
To reach that point in civilization the extermination of the lesser races is absolutely necessary.
>portable dimension hole
wtf how come I have NONE while YOU do?
WTF WORLD YOU HAVE FAILED ME, WE NEED AN ADDITIONAL REVOLUTION!
Never heard of disciple of the hidden hand?
Eat it then shit gold.
yeah stef got utterely destroyed
Abundance breeds lazyness and decadence leafbro.
Peter Joseph is a liar and a total fucking moron.
Anything to churn out more activists to try and overthrow the government. They're trying to gear up for a huge overthrow of power. The left is only going to get crazier and this fuels the crazy. The message is we achieved an egalitarian future by activists who rejected democracy. This movie encourages groups like antifa. High rate propaganda with intention to further destabilize the nation.
I have but I forgot what they're all about.
> disciple of the hidden hand
Fuck, I love this.
>Post-scarcity is a hypothetical economy in which most goods can be produced in great abundance with minimal human labor needed, so that they become available to all very cheaply or even freely.
all farm foods save for beef and pork and really cheap. $5 for 12 chicken legs is really cheap. huge bags of veggies and fruits for a few dollars. that is really cheap. very minimal labor is involved with modern farming.
i know you don't live in america but it's not talking about whatever country you're from. it's talking about the most developed countries. we're able to feed everyone very well but unfortunately we have to throw tons of food away everyday because it spoils soon and if you gave it away the store wouldn't make a profit.
the ability to produce food isn't the problem, the dollar is the problem. capitalism works great but we're out growing it. and with free energy and automation coming if we don't adapt we'll be holding ourselves back from progressing.
i'm not a communist, i'm not a liberal, i do think we should kill all muslims and niggers because theyre already holding us back. but you have to be a really short sighted idiot to not be able to see that eventually 1 mans labor can produce 100x what it used to. this is the end of wage slaves. i don't understand why so many people are against progression, it's like you want to be good goyims to your jewish overlords.
great. now we will have more politically apathetic dumbasses.
Wrapped and sprinkled with well known facts about the federal reserve to make it look redpilled.
But basically yes.commie propaganda.
Post scarcity implies that everything has reached a perfect, unchanging state of self-sustainance or it would obviously create a demand in labor. Labor tasks require knowledge which require time to learn which creates...scarcity? You tell me, do you want to fix the toilet or go fuck a woman with aligning desires which is presented to you automatically by some sort of future Tinder? And so on..the idea of post scarcity is so dumb I could go on forever with shit that creates scarcity. Maybe read some of those Utopia books that were popular during the 70's instead of watching a NWO bluepill movie.
You can respond to multiple posts at once, newcomer.
Gold has value beyond currency. I just happen to like the way it looks. Since we live in a post-scarcity world now it seems, why can't I just have an entire home made of it based on my own aesthetic sense?
They invited PROFESORS OF SOCIOLOGY to talk about industrial revolution and sci - fi.
well wasted 6 minutes of my fucking life.
He's a goldphile you fucking antisemite!