You have three seconds to convince me why communism will never work

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Doesnt allow for memetics

Because Orthodox Marxism rejects the "in one country" revisionism. And you refuse to acknowledge that racial solidarity is just as important as class solidarity. You've made yourselves an enemy of human nature.

Biodiversity

Breadlines, gulags and command-control economies always cause social disruption.

> doesn't work without being forced by the government
> always ends up with a large group of people suffering or being killed off
> has always failed in the past
> forces people to do jobs they don't want
> equal wages for everyone leads to pissed of skilled workers
> would only really help the niggers and bottom-feeders of society who are lazy and have nothing

people are lazy and stupid

Because it has never worked.

human nature

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Communism was a religion invented by Jews to take control of white and Asian nations.

Starvation.

Just fucking try it faggot and when you are starving to death after eating the last child in your village don't say we didn't tell you so.

because if communism was so fucking great there would be more than 5 countries left in the world still doing it

It does work... alot of fucking people die. And thats not an argument if you point out muh death tol of communism.

Pic of a communist

It doesn't take into account simple human nature.

Because it's fucking gay, that's why
Check em

>human nature
>not something that is completely malleable

basic human nature like people not wanting to be fucking stepped on by fatty amerishit capitalists?

A single individual taking advantage of the altruism of his fellows is all it takes to doom Communism. Unless we evolve into a hive mind or something this shit will never work

Communism doesn`t give people motivation to work hard.

hundred million dead in 100 years.

stalinism, not marxism ;)

Communism doesn't work as seizing the means of production first requires placing it in the control of too few people and so far no one has been able to redistribute it to the people instead of keeping it for themselves once acquired.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

"WEll who decides the needs and who decides the abilities? and this is quite a difficult problem!"


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>completely malleable
>calls others out for meme answers

USSR

They tried it. Lots of times. Didn't work. Never worked.

Human nature, at least in the way you mean it, doesn't exist, so yes, it's a meme

>biology doesn't exist
>all human behavior is cultural
>it's all le spook!!!
thanks /leftypol/ you truly are my greatest ally

Explain what you mean by "human nature" instead of hiding behind this vague term and randomly appealing to the subject of biology.

Best argument imo
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem

Because were human

He means greed and the will to power. Unless you can completely snuff these things out, and I mean completely, Communism will forever remain a dumb mans pipe dream

5th grade history book.

Propaganda

Every single example for humanity's "greedy" or "selfish" nature ever used against me in discussions regarded somewhat recent western society. Taking our behaviour after years of slavery and/or capitalism and using it to paint a picture of the whole human species is delusory. For instance, most if not all small tribes untouched by feudalistic or capitalistic modes of production were communal, with concentration of power and wealth specifically arising as they grew and became chiefdoms.

yes, give me power goy. once i'll have it, i'll never allow you to have it back.

Human nature and selfish tendencies.

He's referring to the instinct of rational self interest, i.e looking out for yourself moreso than others, that is observably present in humans and nearly all animal species as a result of millions of years of competitive evolution.

Any system that relies on the suppression of this basic instinct is antithetical to all human and animal existence and is therefore doomed to fail.

Humans are competitive and tribalistic. You cannot bend it by rules and ideology to override even the most basic tendencies of us. Socialism/communism forces a system in which human nature is changed instead of adapting the government to human nature, and as such it will inevitably collapse under the weight of its regulations.

it replaces god with the state, and given the state is not as good as god, that kind of worship is unhealthy.

Unlike stupid leftist sloganeering understanding why this sloganeering is fucking retarded sophist bullshit takes more than "3 seconds".
But here's what you asked for not that you'll read it.

mises.org/library/end-socialism-and-calculation-debate-revisited

>promoting egalitarian universalist systems of mutual cooperation
>personal gain

oh wait, we're you talking about the libtard jews that promote capitalism? my bad

Free will, desire for something more than the other guy

>muh chyner muh mow
take the mac pill

>0.5 seconds to see the image
>1 second to read the title
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sorry thats more than 3 seconds, i cant reply

>Any system that relies on the suppression of this basic instinct is antithetical to all human and animal existence and is therefore doomed to fail
Communist have argued that "we will simply shape People into the perfect Communist man" being perfectly selfless and moral actors.

The issue iwith Communism is that even if you wished to concede such an absurd idea their ideology is still completely unworkable at the fundamental economic level
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And the much better explanation of it here

Good job not using "we're" as that would have been 4 words

The mark of humans as a more advanced species than our primate relatives is our collaborative, social character.

>Humans are competitive and tribalistic

That's a circular statement, as is the entire, reductionist "human nature" argument. In capitalism, your level of success is a function of your will to power. If you are more willing to put down others in competition, then you will be able to amass more wealth. It should not come as a surprise that in a system that rewards the amassing of power, people try to amass power, and they are required to do so to certain extents to survive. Parents and teachers instill competitiveness in infants in preparation for the capitalist world. Yet, when people exhibit competitive behavior where the system requires it and after having been indoctrinated in it from an early age, reactionaries point to it as evidence that humans are naturally competitive.

Just a little thought experiment, is monogamy human nature in your view?

>Capitalism made people greedy
No the sin of greed has been ever present and can damage anything and while there are ways to guard against it Communism ignores the glaring gap in it's armor in the hopes it won't get exploited "this time"

>Small tribal societies live successful communal lives therefore continent spanning nations and empires can do it
I will not dispute communal living on the micro scale but to think it will work on the macro is willful ignorance of reality. The less people you have the less of an impact exploitation will have and it is more easily corrected, once you get millions of people you end up playing whack a mole to the point you get pissed off and commit genocide

anything but commies. never give up your power to the state. you would die. they would kill you eventually. rather have capitalism with some basic income crap just so you can survive.

its already been tried, and its fucked bro beans

Why become a doctor or learn a valuable skill when you get as much stale bread as a janitor or a farmer

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Besides Capitalism represents the largest scale human cooperation experiment in all of human history.
Link related is a illiteration of this massive scale cooperation.

econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl1.html

>Did you make this?
>Yes
>Its mine now because I didn't have it before

Hello what is semantics :DDD

Inequality is inevitable.

frankly, there is nothing wrong with it because you can return the favor. jews that were taking it all but not returning back were being trialed and burned. but this worked ok in small communities in early stages of civilization. this is not representing commies rule.

We will stand in it's way

Stalin Luxury

human nature isn't some static thing
some people will be "virtuous))) and willing to put up with a collectivist existence but there will always be outliers that will inadvertently subvert the system
yes even on a global scale
yes even in your silly assed post-scarcity post-breeding post-desire post-thought post-self CRISPR test tube hive-baby fantasyland that you dreamt up high on inhalants

The "greed" thing is such a stupid fucking argument for a multitude of reasons, part of which the poster you're responding to has already addressed (human nature being adaptive to the social environment you are in, greed is cultivated precisely when it is rewarded and promoted).
The entire fucking point of communism is that it makes being greedy something which does not improve your condition, prosocial behaviour is cultivated instead of selfish behaviour

>in the hopes it won't get exploited "this time"
And how exactly is greed exploited under communism? at what point do you get to be selfish and get more which isn't already the case (way worse) under capitalism?

>durr hurr im just gonna not work and get the same amount of money as a doctor fucking ez xDDD
>hey comrade why aren't you working you know communism is 'from his according to his ability' right?
>???

Communism doesn't work because the numerals of my post happen to be in a repetitious sequence

>That's a circular statement
How so? Because you copy pasted from here?:
reddit.com/r/communism101/comments/3gzdh3/why_is_human_nature_such_a_laughable_argument/

>Yet, when people exhibit competitive behavior where the system requires it and after having been indoctrinated in it from an early age, reactionaries point to it as evidence that humans are naturally competitive.

Why are you presupposing that people never attempted to gain power/resources/infuence etc. up until Capitalism, that the "competitive" nature of humans is only a relatively recent creation? You're trying to claim that competitive thinking is unique to Capitalism, but history has shown otherwise. Capitalism was partially born out of that inherent desire to compete for resources and for all its imperfections has survived this long because of its success in that respect.

>Just a little thought experiment, is monogamy human nature in your view?
No, but in this case just because different societies had different concepts of organizing the population does not mean that humans don't generally have a desire to fuck and have intimate relationships--things which again are part of 'human nature' and virtually unchangeable by ideology.

if "greed is cultivated precisely when it is rewarded and promoted" then explain why us greedy skin-apes succeeded where other species failed
is planet earth mean and bigoted????????

also how do you plan on modifying human behavior stringently and effectively across the entire plantet
no "we're just gonna kill em!" no elon musk sci fi platitudes. something you could actually sell to the (((proletariat"""

Every attempt to build has failed, never left socialism or had to deviate from orthodox Marxism significantly.

because... we cooperated?

I mean what kind of question is that even

>also how do you plan on modifying human behavior stringently and effectively across the entire plantet
By changing the superstructure (lit. social reality) that molds and directs their behaviour. The are certain avenues into which people fit under the contemporary system (capitalism) and it requires them to behave in specific ways to optimize their well being, part of which is being selfish and promoting the advancement of capital above all

>no "we're just gonna kill em!" no elon musk sci fi platitudes. something you could actually sell to the (((proletariat"""
Holy fuck you sound like such an idiot. What is that quotations thing? I know brackets is le jews but idk what """ is

>Capitalism was partially born out of that inherent desire to compete for resources and for all its imperfections has survived this long because of its success in that respect.
this is complete nonsense. as you can see, current state of capitalism is the same as communism. both are completely undermining whole society in their final stages, creating markets in perversions just so you can make shekels. both capitalism and commies sucks in this manner. commie regime is even worse, because citizen cannot even overrule the perversion market. commies is suicide guaranteed. i have no answer on how to resolve the capitalits sociopaths, probably some of robust global anti monopoly regulations.

>at what point do you get to be selfish and get more which isn't already the case (way worse) under capitalism?
Out of all the lies you told this is by far the worst because quite literally the opposite is the case.
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For the rest of your faggotry see

All people are not equal

why ask me when you could ask a history book

China,USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, Vietnam

All of them communist. None of them first world.

I don't know why you're assuming I defend the modern clusterfuck of crony capitalism. I'm a third position fag; I just think the element of "competition" is an important aspect of human nature that capitalism tries to encourage at least in theory).

Yeah remember when Marx was like "we should continuously reform capitalism under a state so that we give the surplus value to the capitalist and then use state power to move it to the people again that is how communism is gonna work"

oh wait it's a complete fucking stupid strawman and you never actually read Marx and only know how to post memes

Thanks for absolutely not answering my completely relevant question too

bees cooperate, monsanto makes short work of em.

people might play along and people might be flippantly subversive/rebelious just like I'm a big stupid porky dummy dumb and you're saving the free world via low effort shitposting. political superstructures won't modify individual behavior. people will adapt and pursue their own interests irregardless of those of the state. you're naive (and sound like you're fucking 14 too (not a good look))

read some books.

Because I will gas and shoot every fucking commie I can get my hands on.

DIE!

>NOT REAL COMMUNISM
>LETS TRY AGAIN

i like to piss on everyone, sorry about that. competition is essential, but killing other players or building walls to prevent them from playing is a disaster for everyone. same goes for people who cannot compete given that they are handicapped. yes, the incentive for competition needs to be always there, so at least an attempt to do is there. however i don't believe that its' not necessary that the whole society needs to play. state should monitor and guarantee that the incentive works for some % of population at minimum, so we don't degrade by not even trying.

Communism is a stateless society so yes they'll pursue their self interest it just won't be in the same private-property system we have now, which will make them tend towards cooperation much more.

>read books!!
epic dude really got me I'm sure reading Ego that one time has really opened your mind, maybe go ahead and actually read Marx too before you make such silly criticisms?

Communism is for murderous little faggots with impotent rage syndrome.

And....Karl (Jew) Marx was a piece of shit, a jobless piece of shit. Lead by example or get lead mf.

reality.

I totally agree

>Thanks for absolutely not answering my completely relevant question too
I'm.nit entertaining your bullshit when you openly spout extremely easily verifiably false statements.

Your question is irrelevant because regardless of human morality or lack thereof Communism is a non functional economic system period.

Plz explain how the Soviet State does not exist....

>stateless society

those were exsaggerations. stalin and mao rarely killed anyone. most of the "horror stories" wer made up imperialist propaganda from the cold war. my history teacher showed us a video on how during the cold war america was spending millions of dollars on anti communist propaganda. all paid for by corporatinos and tax payer money.

You can't buy weeb statues

You can't make unequal things equal.
Someone will always be better off than you are.
Someone will always be better-looking than you.
Someone will always be smarter than you.
Someone will always have a prettier girlfriend than you.
You will always be jealous of this fact.

Honestly tho Vietnam shouldn't be there, they're doing pretty good. Should of put Ethiopia, cause they got really fucked over by communism, or some former communist African country their.

Communism has never worked.

Doesn't account for human nature, like greed, pettiness, contempt, ect

a stateless society isn't possible so long as there are people willing to force their will on others even if there is some incentive in conducting oneself in one way or the other. kind of like you! overthrowing your government is pretty illegal and probably not in your best interest but you really wanna do it! new flags dude epiiiiiccccc!!!!!

read something that your subreddit isn't explicitly recommending you.

human nature

Too much power given to the state with no checks and balances. Whats my prize?

Communism is against the human condition.

>not posting the good one

Whoever opposes mao, smash their dog heads

Because there is no carrot on a stick to create productivity in a society that values equality of outcome, people have less incentive to strive for anything

"uh wull ackshully its like more equal and stuff dude we should give it a fair shake" -Justin "Trudy" Trudeau