Thread for discussion of Italian Fascism, and other forms of fascism, Mosley, Codreanu, Falange, etc. Also for sharing fascist literature and information.
A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested
Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"
Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction
Oswald Mosely Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera Benito Mussolini Adolf Hitler Stepan Bandera Corneliu Zelea Codreanu Salazar Ramiro Ledesma Ramos Ettore Ovazza Gaetano Mosca Friedrich Nietzsche Charles Maurras Enrico Corradini Filippo Tommaso Marinetti Johann Plenge Alceste De Ambris Gabriele d'Annunzio George Lincoln Rockwell Juan Perón Giovanni Gentile Julius Evola
Types of Fascism
Italian Falangism National-Syndicalism British Union National-Socialism Strasserism Meme futurism Clerical Fascism Brazilian Integralism Peronism
"[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly."~Oswald Mosely
>philosophic conception Fascism is thought and action. It is action with an inherent doctrine which, arising out of a given system of historic forces, is inserted in it and works on it from within. It has therefore a form co-related to the contingencies of time and place; but it has at the same time an ideal content which elevates it into a formula of truth in the higher region of the history of thought.
Jace Scott
>spiritual conception To Fascism the world is not this material world which appears on the surface, in which man is an individual separated from all other men, standing by himself and subject to a natural law which instinctively impels him to lead a life of momentary and egoistic pleasure. In Fascism man is an individual who is the nation and the country. He is this by a moral law which embraces and binds together individuals and generations in an established tradition and mission, a moral law which suppresses the instinct to lead a life confined to a brief cycle of pleasure in order, instead, to replace it within the orbit of duty in a superior conception of life, free from the limits of time and space a life in which the individual by self-abnegation and by the sacrifice of his particular interests, even by death, realises the entirely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists.
Camden Adams
>ethical conception This positive conception of life is evidently an ethical conception. And it comprises the whole reality as well as the human activity which domineers it. No action is to be removed from the moral sense; nothing is to be in the world that is divested of the importance which belongs to it in respect of moral aims. Life, therefore, as the Fascist conceives it, is serious, austere, religious; entirely balanced in a world sustained by the moral and responsible forces of the spirit. The Fascist disdains the "easy" life.
Eli Murphy
>religious conception Fascism is a religious conception in which man is considered to be in the powerful grip of a superior law, with an objective will which transcends the particular individual and elevates him into a fully conscious member of a spiritual society. Anyone who has stopped short at the mere consideration of opportunism in the religious policy of the Fascist Regime, has failed to understand that Fascism, besides being a system of government, is also a system of thought.
Evan Adams
Anyone with questions, feel free to ask them.
Cooper Turner
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Daniel Sullivan
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Ian Davis
Why do you guys want to give up your freedom to be ruled by one dude?
That's an honest question.
Brayden Thompson
There are different kinds of fascism, some don't have just one leader. Also freedom is always there in fascism, it just does not include activities that damage the national well-being.
Brayden Nelson
Practically the same way I live and speak I would be perfectly fine within a fascist society, the people that are oppressed within a fascist society are those that are enemies of the state, communists, anarchists.
Brandon Williams
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Nathan Turner
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Brayden Nelson
Bump.
Remeber: - Get in shape. - Promote your culture intelligently: talk about the books, films, videogames, inventions and discoveries of your culture. - Remind your peers of the goods of your country. - Openly promote peace. - Promote nationalism and tight border control as a means of protecting said peac and said culture, even reference the dangers of imperialism if necessary. - Always be outstanding in your behaviour, stride for virtue and keep cool in the face of trouble; the best way to clean the image of Fascism is by making fascist the best men and women they can. - Stay civil in every discussion but crush your opponents arguments without hesitation. - Promote the cooperation of the world, but not the mixing.
Prove the world that Fascism isn't the ideology of outcasts trying to find their identity but of the people fighting for true diversity. Be virtuous with yourself and others.
Connor Powell
Good advice recommendations user, sounds like it'd be perfect in a infograph
Landon Turner
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Austin Bennett
You need to understand that we are AT WAR with with forces who want to control the whole world. Before 2016 I considered myself libertarian, unfortunately that dream won't be possible until these people are crushed.
Isaac Adams
Good advice based homeland
Jaxson Martinez
Based Spain
Luis Hill
Fascism isn't the selling of freedom, it's the active promotion of the elite to make the world better. If the leader is correct, virtuous and just, the leader should stay, If the leader were to fail, he should be punished for failing the people that trusted him. A politician should be the best the country can offer; both the mother and father of the people.
Hudson Cruz
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Easton Collins
You got a tl;dr on your pic?
Luis Foster
No, just save and read later.
Kayden Myers
The most important thing are said in the first 5 posts anyway.
Jordan Jones
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Christian Cruz
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Angel Allen
I'd be down with this shit if it meant we could invade and annex everyone.
Blake Perry
Ehh, imperialism and interventionism isnt necessarily apart of fascism, I mean you could do it but it'd over timely and costly.
Christian Gonzalez
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Easton King
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Asher Walker
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Liam Turner
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Kevin James
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Ian Campbell
Last bump from me since it's quite late here. Godspeed, brothers.
Samuel Miller
I think we need more flag designs.
Landon Morgan
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Justin Kelly
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Nicholas Flores
Soon.
Jeremiah Lee
Night user
Daniel Wright
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Sebastian Young
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Jose Nelson
CORPORATISM
Eli Thomas
>all
Parker Torres
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Owen Torres
What the hell?
Grayson Sanchez
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Lincoln Anderson
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Blake Jackson
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Josiah Stewart
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Jayden Sanchez
Is Trump REALLY a fascist or is it just lugenpresse lies?
Jeremiah Garcia
Obviously lies, trump hardly has anything to do with fascism other than a love for the country. Which he's been the most nationalistic president in recent years, but I wouldn't even say near fascism's ultra nationalist stance.
Chase Ross
yo mexico a couple days ago i asked if living a ''fascist lifestyle'' could help me improve myself
do you have tips or images or a big blogpost somewhere about this
also what's the relation between God and a fascist state
Gabriel Torres
Yeah, and we gave you a link to a discord server were we have a lot of related materials and at least one professional trainer to ask.
Jace Hall
Refer to this post Christianity goes hand in hand with fascism as it is a natural safeguard against degeneracy and instiller of morals, however the state does not require you to be religious in your faith to god, only religious in your moral and ethic behavior.
John Barnes
Fascism, viewed from the Right, is insufficient.
1. Economically
2. It is a facade; the 'Organic State' is a conception that is lacking in hard-authoritarian ideologies
3. Power creep
4. Populism is dysgenic (of course they may have eugenics programs, but these are very rarely sufficient; for an account of Hitler's eugenics program read Stoddard's "Into the Darkness.")
5. Necessitates continued and excessive force
6. Fails to create an innovative system and an actual culture (government manufactured cultures tend not to fit the people, eg look at the history of "nation building")
7. Claims spiritual predominance and yet it cannot be little more than the worship of the state; no Traditional or Gothic culture may arise from compulsion and conformation enacted ceaselessly
8. Individual qualms with particular ideologies - Integralism and Rivera's Fascism lacked proper conceptions of race, Mussolini denied biology, Mosley proposed an impossible economic model, and so on.
I would much prefer Fascism as a transitory means by which a Radical Traditional Monarchy and Aristocracy are established, as it does not seem viable or conducive to successive beyond the first few generations.
Adam Green
Thanks based Spain. You're doing god's work.
Are there any other general improve-life recommendations from other anons? Or should I just go consult /fit/?
Dominic Nelson
As of the relation between god and a fascist state, it greatly varies, it can go from clerical fascism to separation, but in general, religion is seen as a beneficial influence on the morals of the people.
Fascism is to Traditionalism what Socialism is to Communism. It's transitory in nature, and like Portugal and Spain, will significantly de-radicalize over time.
Gabriel Torres
This diet is cleaner than the average American's diet, sure, but it's still insufficient.
People likely do not take the emphasis they need to from this and don't acknowledge the need to have more n-3 than n-6 or n-9, or that cholesterol isn't bad, or that dense acellular carbohydrates are in no way good for you (disqualify the whole bottom row of carbs save for sweet potatoes and carrots) or that aflatoxins, trypsin inhibitors, phyoestrogens, phytic acid, lectins, saponins, and much more are all recommended here and are all unnecessary and harmful.
Yes, I think the most important benefit from joining a good gym, and what makes a gym good, is having a trainer that knows about nutrition and can advise you and motivate you.
Nolan Scott
Monarchies have their own problems as well, such as relying on whoever the "Royal family" is, so now after awhile you get the spoiled brat son who is nowhere near experienced and has lived a whole life of royalty knowing nothing outside of it, becomes the ruler. And as history has showed, monarchies have only inspired revolution and revolt. The creation of liberalism in fact would not have happened if it weren't for corruptive monarchies.
Jordan Gutierrez
Currently reading Ride the Tiger. Evola is a must read for anyone interested in Fascism/Traditionalism
Matthew Anderson
It can be made to last if you design your system with the long term in mind.
Nathan Gomez
Obviously Fascism into Authoritarian Democracy is the best solution.
Xavier Campbell
The system I propose is basically a mix of both.
Jayden Harris
Why wasn't Mosley a national socialist? Fascism is more for cultures which don't have a very specific racial identity (Italy, Spain). While national socialism is more about heritage and family, of which England has a very distinct racial heritage.
Also, National Socialism isn't fascism
Christopher Hernandez
I own guns for hunting (shot guns and rifles) and 2 handguns. I have been looking around to buy my first AR15. What is the best way to go about it? Order and have it shipped to a gun shop or wait until gun show next month?
Wyatt Carter
whats that ? its a chat room ?
Parker Hill
If you find one in Stock at a local gun shop you like just buy it there.
Zachary Moore
>Monarchies have their own problems as well, such as relying on whoever the "Royal family" is, so now after awhile you get the spoiled brat son who is nowhere near experienced and has lived a whole life of royalty knowing nothing outside of it, becomes the ruler.
Eugenics and proper rearing. Bad monarchs are historically quite few, although they are scrutinized greatly.
>And as history has showed, monarchies have only inspired revolution and revolt. The creation of liberalism in fact would not have happened if it weren't for corruptive monarchies.
History has not shown this. The reason Monarchies died is because of the Great War, wherein most were deposed. If it had not happened; A) the Soviets would not have won their rebellion; B) Germany and most others would be monarchies.
Agreed. I've written three books on the subject and I advocate for something akin to a stricter Paleo diet.
Democracy destroys responsibility entirely. This is but one fault. I recommend consulting Hitler and Hoppe.
Logan Foster
>If you find one in Stock at a local gun shop you like just buy it
thanks for the tip, I just started looking online today. I will check actual shops in person this weekend,
Aiden Morgan
No Mosley was a fascist, he developed his own for Britain. And of course national socialism isnt Italian fascism, same goes for Falangism to legionarism, rexism to austrofascism, not the same. But still all apart of the same family
Colton Garcia
Yes, but we have other materials on health mental and physical, also a whole library,
This is the best deal around. All you need to do is choose a stock, pistol grip, handguard, and iron sights. /k/ can help with all of that.
Nicholas Powell
Still isnt anything that can be confirmed though, and still, monarchies are what gave birth to the reaction of liberalism. See >the French revolution >the american Revolution These were fought to establish a society based upon free liberal ideals, free man, free wild etc. And thus the result of liberalism is now evident in our world now. As fascism was the reaction to liberalism, and the solution.
Julian Ramirez
>pistol grip Scratch that, it comes with a standard A2 grip obviously. Fingers got ahead of my brain.
Christopher Allen
Thanks. I posted in /k/ and never got a reply, I will ask around some more tomorrow once I get to work, link is bookmarked.
Liam Gutierrez
You can always try the AR general too, but beware it's a containment gen
Lucas Garcia
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James Phillips
>Still isnt anything that can be confirmed though
Yes, it very well is, and for all the time it's not, you can have Aristocracy and appointment.
>monarchies are what gave birth to the reaction of liberalism
No, they are not. The peoples would not have rebelled in France had they not been given bread to begin with. They were constructing a reverse-hierarchy in Boehm's words and asserting a form of Wille zur Macht in Nietzsche's. This is not a response to monarchy as it happened in places without monarchies, it led to more monarchism, and it decidedly does not constitute a line of succession in the manner you attempt to portray.
>These were fought to establish a society based upon free liberal ideals, free man, free wild etc. And thus the result of liberalism is now evident in our world now. As fascism was the reaction to liberalism, and the solution.
They were fought for multifarious reasons, none of which was a revolt against the system of monarchy itself, at least as well evidenced by the; A) desire for monarchy among numerous Americans, and; B) the near-immediate return to monarchy in France.
You are misportraying items and showing a lack of historical knowledge. Fin de Seicle brought about Fascism as a fight against horrid conditions and "the hand versus head" motif brought through Socialism. It was not due to liberalism itself, but a reaction in general. Please learn history or at the very least read Gentile.
Hunter Foster
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Chase Nguyen
bump
Nicholas Gomez
OP is an idiot, and doesn't get a (you)
You claim Nietzsche as a "fascist" when he thought nationalism was incredibly retarded, second only to antisemitism.
Secondly, do you understand that the last time fascists got any actual imperial power they got their asses kicked so hard by "degenerates" and "jewry" that they're now a trope of villainy?
You know any heroes you had as a kid from comics, tv shows, or books? Yeah, those fictional character you used to idolise would literally kick your ass because you're a fascist.
Did you know that their has never been a single successor to a fascist state?
>Hitler kills himself like the emo cuck he is Fascism ends in Germany
>Mussolini gets killed for being a completely incompetent Fascism in Italy ends
>Franco dies Spainish fascism is dead
Do any of you know what fascism actually is? It's just a particularly authoritarian monarchy, which doesn't even have enough popular appeal to keep going after the monarch dies. Do you want to know what it doesn't have popular support? Because the monarch kills people who disagree with him or aren't the correct type of person.
Fascism doesn't promote culture, because it doesn't promote people. It is doomed to failure because it only understands pettiness and knows nothing of mercy or magnanimity.
Ryan Carter
Guess who won what war?
Hint, hint: it wasn't the fucking Axis powers. Guess what period had the greatest boom in human productivity?
The period right after when the fucking Nazis weren't around anymore.
Adrian Wilson
The Nazis had the quickest turn around from devastation to superpower-status in history. >WW1 devastation + treaty of Versailles >then a commie revolution in 1918 crushed by the regime >Super power by the 1930's No one has done that faster before or after.
The Western "boom" was not as drastic, and basically just made decent countries a little bit richer.
Owen Evans
Learn to read idiot, the description says good fascists OR Influential people, on which Nietzche particularly influenced the national socialist idea on there being an ubersmensch.
Xavier Lee
pretty sue zionism is basically just jewish ethnofascism
also I don't see any actual arguments against fascim, just captain america larping
Michael Long
Youre clearly more educated on monarchies than me, It seems I still have much research to do. Thank you for pointing out my incorrections though
Isaiah Carter
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Nathan Hall
Firstly - see Secondly - the eternal darkness he is mostly referring to is the degeneracy and decadence of modern day society - whereby society has stagnated and is regressing into primal savagery. The symptoms of this is seen in the meaningless and degenerate art, the useless career politicians, the media that is numbing and massaging the brains of the goy, and the white genocide, not to mention a whole lot of other things
James Peterson
Eia, eia, eia! Alala!
Aiden Lopez
>on which Nietzche particularly influenced the national socialist idea on there being an ubersmensch.
Nietzsche didn't influence it though you dumb Amerifat.
Nietzsche got sick later in his life and his sister, who was married to a German-Nationalist cuck took Nietzsche works and edited them so they didn't shit all over nationalism, and in particular German nationalism. Idiots, like yourself, who have no knowledge of historical context think Nietzsche's shit works with fascism, when Nietzsche himself thought politics were beneath the ubermensch.
Not arguing against Israel as a pseudofascist state. They care more about promoting some type of ethnic purity than any state should give too shits about, so yeah I'm not disputing them as pseudo-fascist.
But the arguments I did make were about how fascism doesn't last. And I've yet to see any historical proof that your "monarchy with a different name" actually deserves to be called it's own thing.
Um, I can actually think of one state which did that better. Yeah, it was Russia. During the same period you're talking about Russia went from a country with literal peasantry into the second most powerful country in the world.
Oh, and the were also the main asskickers of Germany to boot. So actually you're full of shit.
Also, any economist or historian worth their salt will tell you that the time of the history period of productivity in history was POST World War II.
When there aren't any Nazis around.
Ethan Powell
>the useless career politicians
That's really rich coming from fucking Goebells. What did members of the Nazi party actual do again?
Other than Have their shit pushed in my degenerate Russian commies that is...
Ian Lee
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_and_reception_of_Friedrich_Nietzsche >didnt influence it >Hitler more than likely became familiar with Nietzsche quotes during his time in Vienna when quotes by Nietzsche were frequently published in pan-German newspapers.[10] Nevertheless, others point to a quote in Hitler's Table Talk, where the dictator mentioned Nietzsche when he spoke about what he called "great men", as an indication that Hitler may have been familiarized with Nietzsche's work.[11] Other authors like Melendez (2001) point out to the parallelism between Hitler's and Nietzsche's titanic anti-egalitarianism,[12] and the idea of the "übermensch",[13] a term which was frequently used by Hitler and Mussolini to refer to the so-called "Aryan race", or rather, its projected future after Fascist engineering.
Nathaniel Perry
And you realise that the works of Nietzsche himself weren't being published then? They were works edited by his sister and her cuckold fetishist brother:
>After his death, Elisabeth Förster-Nietzsche became the curator and editor of her brother's manuscripts, reworking Nietzsche's unpublished writings to fit her own German nationalist ideology while often contradicting or obfuscating his stated opinions, which were explicitly opposed to antisemitism and nationalism. Through her published editions, Nietzsche's work became associated with fascism and Nazism;[15] 20th-century scholars contested this interpretation of his work and corrected editions of his writings were soon made available.
Look, I can copy paste from wikipedia too.
If Hitler did read Nietzsche he read CENSORED works which don't include Nietzsche's actual thoughts on things. Just stuff which is cherry picked.
Elijah Edwards
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Kayden Myers
Hmm, thanks for that bit user. Seems I'm going to have to take him off the list then, I did not know about his wife.
