Communism general

[Jacob Martinez]

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.

>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

[Grayson Richardson]

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[Joshua Nguyen]

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[Juan Barnes]

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[Adrian Thompson]

SEIZE

[Dominic Butler]

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:)

[Sebastian Johnson]

These commie threads are pointless. Same lame memes over and over, same stupid non arguments, tons of leaf flags. Saged and hidden.

[Joshua Torres]

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[Adam Hughes]

Fuck you, you commie scum. You cowards attack when you out number opponents. You are on notice now. You little Twinkie scum are in for the bearings of your life. You fags want to sucker punch people. You are going to all get gassed very soon. Your time is coming and your dealogy doesn't work. Review your history pussies

[Ian Howard]

THE

[Logan Young]

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[Thomas Lee]

Give me a real fucking example on how communism can work other than "durrr it works on paper".

[Jace Taylor]

I dunno OP I was thinking about becoming a commie but then I found out that you are all cucks and shit eater....

[Jack Harris]

You need global socialism first, starting by socialist states all around the world.

[Aaron Gonzalez]

Ok, that really worked for Europe with the E.U right?

[Jason Russell]

There are no socialist countries in europe only capitalism.

[Dylan Morales]

Why do we need "communism/socialism" when capitalism is the best system in the world?

[Josiah Taylor]

Obligatory.

[Carson Collins]

>How will this work?
>Well we need every single country on Earth to agree to a single political ideology first.
You do realize this is basically impossible right?

[Jayden Carter]

Have you honored your country and punched a Nazi already?

[Daniel Parker]

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[Carter Taylor]

PATRIARCHY N SHEEIT

[Noah Thompson]

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[Alexander Adams]

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[Colton Hall]

Why do you think making the same unqualified declarative statements every thread is a meaningful contribution?

[Eli Ramirez]

COMMIES CAN BURN IN HELL

[Grayson Kelly]

THE ONLY GOOD COMMIES ARE DEAD COMMIES

[Chase Turner]

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[Colton Foster]

FUCK COMMIES JEW SHIT
COMMIES ARE JEW SHIT

[Kevin Barnes]

Piss off

[Owen Miller]

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[Samuel Diaz]

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[Ethan Lopez]

PULL THE TRIGGER ON THE ANTIFAG AND NYT JEW, THUS SAVING THE NAZI

[Joshua Brooks]

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[Grayson Long]

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[Jack Wood]

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[Jayden Scott]

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[Jose Hill]

Oy Vey.

[Jeremiah Gray]

>COMEMENISM WILL WIN
Ahahahahahhahahdhhahahaha
ITS A JOKE right?

[Jose Collins]

Sage

[Wyatt Parker]

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[Hudson Cook]

fuck off commies

sage

[Christopher Cox]

see Bashing fascists is a moral duty. Nazis are parasites and should not live amongst other humans

[Connor Harris]

Spanish bro, do you realize that Pol consists of an American tier redneck white-trash scum that do not listen to any logic or argument and just chimping out here for his egoistic fun?

[Dylan Collins]

RID THE WORLD OF COMMIES
RID THE WORLD OF SOCIALISTS
THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE
WITHOUT COMMIES AND SOCIALISTS

[Colton Scott]

Fascist enablers to the Gulag

[Logan Campbell]

>muh trend of history
Too bad Marx didn't live to see how his cool theory got BTFO by fascism and Nazism taking over instead of communism.

[Jonathan Gonzalez]

Bashing communist monkeys is a moral duty. Communists are leechers who does not like other people to be successful and thus try to take success by force, which is immoral. Niggers are mostly commies because they can't stand a successful nazi and thus destroys everything.

THEREFORE FUCK COMMUNISTS

[Dylan Allen]

>nazism existed for just over a decade
>communism existed for nearly a century
kek

[Carter Kelly]

But fascism and nazism is an imperial capitalism.

[Caleb Robinson]

TRUMP 2016 MAKE AMERICA GRETA AGAIN

[Nathan Stewart]

Sup Forums is a board of peace commies get out

sage

[Kevin Thomas]

Reminder that Marx created communism for 4 main purposes:

>Force equality for Jews
>Create a secular basis for Judaism that
everyone in the world would adopt
>Destroy the White European, Christian establishment that was getting in the way of International Jewry (this is also why they slaughtered and starved millions of Christians)
>Create one world government that would be controlled by Jews (this is why private property doesn't exist, because Jews want all of the goyim's possessions)

Communism is one of the biggest frauds (some organized religions aside; although communism itself has all the tenets of a religion, which is intentional) of all time, and it's sad that people still fall for it.

"Workers of the world unite" was a precursor to the forced race-mixing, and mass immigration agenda that Jews still push to this day. He wanted the "workers to unite" to become a bunch of slaves with no nationality, no cultural/racial identity, only a hammer and a sickle to work under the Jews' commands.

[Isaiah Sanders]

this is not reddit
die
goodbye

[Anthony Price]

>Marx created communism

[James Evans]

But communism never existed and all attempts at enacting it failed miserably.

[Cameron Lee]

>stalinism, maoism and other forms of totalitarianism are communism
>nazism and fascism are capitalism
Looking forward for your friend who will say that all those attempts at communism were actually state capitalism. Fucking gommies, I swear...

[Samuel Diaz]

commies fuck off

[Noah Kelly]

>>stalinism, maoism and other forms of totalitarianism are communism
"IT'S NOT REAL COMMUNISM"
Oh the irony.

[Leo Carter]

capitalism existed much longer than communism that even communist China adopted their version of capitalism because economies failed under Maoidiot

Thanks Deng Xiaping for bringing capitalism into Chyna

[Austin Martin]

>capitalism existed much longer than communism
Since about the early 1800s, I guess, but that's only really because it had a headstart on Communism.

[Hudson Harris]

remove commie

[Joshua Reed]

oh you mean the idea that failed? that idea that only failing countries still hold onto? enjoy your failed thread I'll laugh myself out

[Austin Flores]

But the lolberg commies are correct. It's actually one of the few times that a true statement comes out of their mouths.
Communism is inherently unrealizable and fascism solves all the problems it posits and more, while actually being possible to implement.

[Xavier Bailey]

You realize that you just repeating memes without studying the topic, right?

[Jordan Scott]

Horee shiettt i dinnot now dat nigga
I though marx was a commie
Well what do you know

[Jaxon Martin]

>This is what the antifa faggots actually imagine themselves as

wew lad

[Asher Martin]

The irony is that half of you will say that it was glorious communism and the other half will say that it was state capitalism, because all of you are retarded.

[Justin Taylor]

What do you have against food not going to waste?

[James Wilson]

>Hello Comrades.

Stoped reading there. Pulled my guns out and started cleaning them.

[Asher Reyes]

Daily reminder that the central foundation of Marxism is the (debunked, disproven) concept of primitive communism. For a century all credible science has dismissed this tripe.

Daily reminder that OP is a crazy Mexican who moved to Spain because he has a shit fetish and wanted to live in a sewer.

[Xavier Butler]

COMMUNISM IS DEAD

WHERES YOUR CHE, MAO, STALIN, LENIN, MARX, TROTSKY, ENGELS, FIDEL NOW?
DED
DED
DED AS FUCK
COMMEMENISM SHIT ASS
SOCIALISM SHIT MY ASSHOLE
FUCK ALL FORMS OF COMUNISM
ALL SHIT JEW SHIT

[Ian Gonzalez]

Hard to waste what isn't available.

[Grayson Turner]

I agree that communism is inherently unrealisable the way that Marx describes it because he's a faggot universalist, but I don't think trading exploitation of the workers by private business for exploitation of the workers by the state is the solution.

Fascism doesn't solve the exploitative nature of employment relations. Instead it seizes surplus value for "the state."

"It's communism when it fails, and it's capitalism when it works."
t. "China is capitalist despite being the People's Republic of China ruled by the Communist Party according to a constitution that states the end goal of the Party is to realise full communism."

[Landon Reyes]

This.

Communism is for diillusioned poorfags like OP. Middle class like myself know that communism is false hope for this insufferable, illiterate victims of third world shitholes.

[Thomas Brown]

I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue at this point. It's by definition neither communism nor capitalism when the state controls the production.

[Jonathan Sanders]

Bump

[Adam Mitchell]

Hello, I don't know anything about communism. Is it a good modern movement?

[Elijah Gonzalez]

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[John Anderson]

Lol forced collectivization and central planning was rampant during maos rule who ruined china with full communist economics.

Deng xiaoping, though a commie, knew they could not resist capitalism as the communist party cannot survive if it lost the economic war with US. Hence, why commie china though is commie in politically still practice a somewhat capitalist economy.

Source: my ass read some history shit fucking abo

[Easton Anderson]

>Fascism doesn't solve the exploitative nature of employment relations
If you're """"exploited,"""" but happy, is that actually a problem?

No, it's shit

[Andrew Cox]

If you are for open borders, terrorist attacks and shitskin raping your women, yea communism is a good modern movement for you Hans Gustav

[Elijah Williams]

>Fascism doesn't solve the exploitative nature of employment relations
But that's exactly my point. According to Marx, people should have turned to communism during the economic depression (that most leftists view as a failure of the free market) but instead of the turned to fascism and Nazism, thus proving Marx wrong.

[Gavin Gutierrez]

>Anarchist Right
>Nazi

This is what Commies believe.

[Dylan Russell]

FUCK CARL MARKS AND FUCK COMMUNISM

[Lincoln Peterson]

FUCK COMMUNISM AND FUCK ANTIFA

[Gabriel Miller]

>turns out to be bullshit to create slave states
>''b-but it could still work!''

[Blake Harris]

FUCK BOLSHEVIKS AND FUCK SOCIALISM

[Jason Gray]

>If you're """"exploited,"""" but happy, is that actually a problem?
Yes.

That's why building class consciousness, to ensure people who are exploited know what's happening to them, is the first step. If you live in a world of pure ideology then first that has to be broken.

The problem with most commies is they try and do this with boring Marxist theory from the 1870s. Not gonna work.

>commie china though is commie in politically still practice a somewhat capitalist economy.
But this is wrong. There is not a single major Chinese company that can do anything without the nod from the party. Even the "private owners" of the companies are party stooges.

In America, American companies routinely get in big spats with the government because the companies operate truly independently from the government. In China, companies always follow the government's rules because the government is pulling the strings behind the curtains.

It might look like private ownership, but those private citizens do what they're told by the party because that's how it works in China.

[Luis Clark]

youtube.com/watch?v=rEvM6jDc6FU

[Eli Flores]

>It might look like private ownership, but those private citizens do what they're told by the party because that's how it works in China.
The fact that they have to comply with the interests of Chinese officials on demand doesn't make it an entirely planned economy, and either way it by definition isn't communism.

>That's why building class consciousness bloody blah...
You don't even know how your own ideology works if you think China is communist, fucking retard.

[Nicholas Scott]

>Yes.
But it fucking isn't.
Exploitation is notionally a problem because it causes suffering to the exploited. Someone who's "exploited" according to a commie, but is materially and spiritually satisfied, is not in need of saving. This is beyond the deeper fact that "exploitation" and "oppression" are inherent facets of human hierarchical society.
Class consciousness can be more accurately described as class resentment, and fascism solves the problem without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[Michael Fisher]

That's not a good answer I prefer this answer
Man, that sounds so intimidating. I am for open border. Me and my wife are so excited. I can finally record all the sexual acts called out as rape on tape now and don't get arrested at all.

[Nolan Clark]

fuck off leftypol, go back to your containment chan

[Adam Mitchell]

IGNORE ALL COMMIE THREADS
>saged and hidden

[Isaiah Myers]

What's your point?

>But it fucking isn't.
Gripping analysis, chap.

People in the 1400s had no concept of modern medicine and had no idea what they were missing out on. Do you think that the lack of it caused them suffering?

If not, then we should just stop all research forever because it can literally only serve to create suffering as we create more and more potentiality for inequity. It would be better for us all to live in mud huts with fucking nothing, but be satisfied in our ignorance, according to your retarded logic.

Exploitation does cause suffering, it simply isn't perceived as suffering because the people who suffer from it at best don't know better and at worst live in pure ideology and have internalised neoliberal propaganda to the point where they think they deserve it.

[Elijah Hughes]

How do you know private companies are party stooges yer fucking abo?
Those private companies are essential to chinas growth because they bringeth jobs, foreign investment, and foreign goods and services for average chink to enjoy.

You think maos time was good economic time, yea lets see your house getting torn apart by communist peasant just because you own more than them.

Capitalist system is good for chyna as it brings jobs, wealth, more taxes for government and economic mobility for all the classes of society.

Fucking abo, go live in communist china in the 60s if you love central planning that much

[Anthony Nelson]

>muh march of progress
"No"
>muh neoliberalism is the same as fascism
Believe me, I hate those kikes as much as you.

[Charles Green]

Good to know that Hans
You deserve cucking for all the evils you have done to jews
Good goy.
Have fun being a commie scum.

[Joseph Nguyen]

>How do you know private companies are party stooges yer fucking abo?
Because I, unlike you, have actually read a fucking book.

If you actually believe that a Chinese company can tell the Chinese government to fuck off and do what it likes you are fucking delusional.

The Communist party controls every aspect of the Chinese economy. They are, mostly, happy to let it run itself, but at any time and in any place they can step in and organise things however they like.

You don't even own your own house in China. The best you can get is a 99 year lease.

My argument is not adequately summarised as "muh march of progress."

Respond to it in full, please. The response you gave is insufficiently granular for me to able to grasp the applicability of it.