Donald Trump's pipeline

Is it actually on Native land or are the lib shits just complaining for no reason? If it is on native land are they not allowed to build there because of some sort of treaty?

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It used to cut through the very top corner, but Trump redirected it so now it no longer does.

drop a few tons of american steel on that paper treaty and see which matters

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from what i heard he moved it 70 miles south of the tribe and the tribe was happy. but still goes under the river i guess so people downstream could still be effected

He didn't move where it was, just what the requirement was for the pipe material. It was originally to be made of poor chinese steel, and is now to be made out of a higher quality american steel. The issue is it runs through the aquifer that supplies the reserve, if it breaks there they have no water. The change in material helps aliveate worry, but not eliminate it.

The tribes are holding the US to terms of a broken treaty. Because that contract was made, then broken without compensation, the tribe has a legitimate claim of not being able to deal with US Govt in good faith. That's why they didn't go to bullshit EPA meetings or hearings.

The pipeline is a pipeline, it can be rerouted. The tribe has a claim that, if honored, would redefine the boundaries of the continental US. The Black Hills do not belong to South Dakota. Maybe the US Govt is feeling lucky. Maybe they think they can break treaties and contracts at will forever. Chickens always come home to roost.

who cares of some stone age spear chuckers lose their holy pee pee poo poo lawn

Who's going to enforce them, Falls-Down-Drunk?

its not on the land, its very close to the land

it just crossed close under a river

>muh sacred river water

It's a pretty significant river that would affect everybody downstream. No question precautions need to be taken.

Don't forget Trump's rally-style environment plan is:
1. Clean air
2. Clean water

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Glad I got a set of Crapsman wrenches back when they were made with US steel. I've had to get a few newer Chinese steel bits and pieces since then and those are the only ones that fail.

No, they are whining because they think it will rupture and taint the river that supplies their water

We literally have over 2 million miles of pipelines in US including countless river crossings

it's a typical non-issue that goes viral and inflames an irrational emotional reaction among leftists

gonna need a source

Its going 70 miles away from the Indians.

>oil industry
>ever using chinese steel
who the fuck spreads this shit? I work in the oil industry and we wont even use chinese chains to secure boxes to the back deck of our ships.

Trump is going to withdraw from Indian treaties tomorrow and seize their land.

Why does the government care about drunk natives? They literally contribute nothing to the world and the world would be better off if they all died.

>Keystone and Dakota pipelines proposed dollar sums to affected tribes
>Tribes think they can get more money, demand renegotiations
>Companies call their bluff and make plans to move the problem area of the pipeline further north
>Suddenly this area up north is also an issue

They are quite literally our native Jews.

I'm gonna need a better source than that.

>Is it actually on Native land or are the lib shits just complaining for no reason? If it is on native land are they not allowed to build there because of some sort of treaty?
Original plan was to have it go through native land, and to pay natives for the privilege. They wanted more and more money so the plan was changed to have it go around the natives and pay the natives nothing. Trump changed it so now the pipeline goes 70 miles away from any native claim.

It's not on their land so they don't get no gibs hence the whole protest shit even though there are other pipe lines that run through already.

My dad has had a set of us made steel wrenches, sockets, etc that he's had for at least 25 years. Nothing is stripped, just a few light scratches on the surface from rubbing on concrete. Only one item has ever snapped and that was under a lot stress.

I had to buy a torque socket for my car since he doesn't have a metric set and that fucker was stripped within a few hours.

The weak must make way for the strong

Craftsman used to guarantee pretty much everything they made for life and god knows they lived up to it. I've got some ancient craftsman stuff of my dad's and I don't think there's a job in this world that could destroy them. Hell he used them as a millwright and they still hold up. Shame how shitty they are these days. Maybe Trump will convince them to start making quality again.

They don't do the free replacement anymore? That's one of the reasons I figured they were the right deal / price / quality for my weekend warrior type use, they've always been great so far giving me a free replacement on the spot if I brought in something broken.

(of course who wants to bother with that if shit's going to break all the time; goodness knows I don't give a fuck about beating savagely on the US made pieces since they just take it in stride)

I hear ya. Seen bunch of Chinese chains snap way under what they are rated for.
Never buy Chinese steel products. They are cheaper for a fucking reason..low standards.

1. It is an underground pipeline.
2. It is used to transport oil.
3. No drilling nor fracking are being done in the area. It's just a pipe.

So yes, they are being assholes about it because they will hold onto every goddamn square inch of land we gave them and will be incredibly petty about everything. But to be honest, there's probably more liberals who care than Listerine-chuggers. The average injun makes minimum wage, doesn't breed, and dies angry without ever accomplishing anything.

fuck you

pipelines are far and above the safest way to transport crude or gas

>Is it actually on Native land
the natives have no real land. they are freeloading drunks whining about shit that happened 200 years ago

This is the crux of all of Trump's past construction problems. His contractors would guarantee US steel, sheetrock, etc., then turn around and use Chinese junk. Sheetrock stank so bad, we couldn't stand working with it.

Trump finds out,sues them if he already paid, or they sue him if he hasn't.

This is why Trump has so many lawsuits. He's trying to keep from getting fucked, (which is a pass time the poor have always enjoyed playing with the rich).

Let's assume it was built on native land
>natives allow construction
>in return they receive a monthly compensation for it

I really can't see how that's bad besides having am obvious pipeline ruining the scenery.

No it's going around native land. Their issue is that it will be going thru a lake, their water supply. Anyway, leaks are rare.
:)

>tfw energy east pipeline
>tfw keystone pipeline

GODDAMN IT'S A GOOD TIME TO BE A WELDER. GET FUCKED QUEBECERS, ENVIRONMENTALISTS, AND ABBOS LMAO.

MY SIDES

Not even on tribal land. Going next to 2 existing pipes..

>an underground pipeline
>ruining the scenery
it's basically free money for the injuns

It's underground? Then what's all the protesting about? Did they think the oil would hit the ground water? This actually changes a lot of what I thought was happening.

>"free" money
Basically

>are they not allowed to build there because of some sort of treaty?
>treaty
Hahahahahahahahaha

The fucking indians are the worst. They don't do anything but wallow in their own filth, then when someone just looks in their general direction they start protesting "whatever it is you're doing" even if it would benefit them.

Lol. Red menace BTFO for another hundred years

The great leap backward

Homosexuals like you are welcome on native lands.

Just like (You)

Fort Laramie Treaty. Look it up.

Source.

I've heard the Chinese will actively try to fuck you in the business world and will NOT keep their word. They're basically lower-level Jews.

As I understand it the land was Native American under the conditions of the treaty of Ft Laramie, but the US government took the land because it was rich in resources. A court case from the 80s recognized the fact that it was taken unfairly, but instead of ordering the land be given back, the court awarded a monetary settlement for the land. The native Americans rejected this, and say they don't want the money (which is still in an untouched trust), and have held out for the land. Since DAPL went through said land they've used the environmental angle to garner publicity and sympathy.

Gib source.

>Native land

Right of conquest. So, no, it isn't.

Literally who gives a fuck. We fuck thesr people on a daily basis.

Supposedly they see contracts as merely the beginning of a relationship, not a promise. They therefore cut as many corners as possible and try to steal from you whenever possible. They expect the same from you in return.

Actually America is a rare exception to this rule. As I've heard, American businesses are sticklers about contracts.

The feds offered the injuns 8 opportunities to discuss the plan before all the protesting even began

That's odd. My grandfather (an avid Trump supporter) told me today that the pipeline passed over Amerindian land.

I had previous heard otherwise but I can't rap my head around where he would get the idea it went over reservation land. If anything his conservative sources should be enforcing the idea that the Amerindians are in the wrong. Or are conservative news outlets against the pipeline too for some odd reason?

someone post that screenshot of the guy who learned Mandarin advising anons to NEVER learn it because he had to do business with the chinese for years and he now hates the lot of them.

OK, you fucking retards, lets put all the facts right down in one nice post so you don't fuck up and pass lies along to other Sup Forumstards:

>The DAPL pipeline NEVER, even in development, was going to cross the Standing Rock Rez. It goes near it, but it originally going to cross the river NORTH of Bismarck. Locals disliked this, and so the Cannonball crossing was brought to the tribe's attention. No complaints were heard, so construction was underway 2 years later

>Water intake for the tribe will be moved to Mobridge, SD (hometown of me), which is about 60 miles from the crossing site. Of further note: the tribe gets it's drinking water from a contract through Tri-State Water, a bottled water company. Tribal water is dogshit and undrinkable as is.

>Pipeline is by far the safest method of transportation for oil. This is a yes and no statement. It depends on the area, the water source for nearby towns, and the landscape and animal life in it. Pipeline is debatably a MORE dangerous method in this region, but can't say for certain.

>The tribe wanted money based on amount of product passed through the pipeline each month. This was the counter offer to the original one lump sum offered by the pipeline company, along with infrastructure developement they offered. The monthly bill was denied.

>Several (dozens) of attempts were made by the pipeline company to have a meeting with the tribal council. The chairman failed to show up to any of these meetings.

I am very familiar with the region, any other questions I can answer for you guys?

If you are referring to the DAPL, then it never crossed Indian land.

this is true, my uncle is great shitting bull, he saw this in a spirit dream(while high on meth and firewater)

if the line of pipes isn't on injun land why are they getting shekels?

Yes, and I never implied otherwise.

Also get off of your head, Satan. You look silly.

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Stanley Black & Decker has acquired the craftsman brand and is opening a new US plant.

Everywhere the pipeline is, no matter where it's moved is "sacred ancestral land" and therefore the indians want money for it.

Well, they AREN'T getting any shekels. They WANTED some, and the company was willing to give some since it is well understood that water is an important part of life. However, they were trying to jam up the companie's shit when they had no legal authority to do so.

That's because the media keeps reporting that it runs over native land.

Weren't the indians a bunch of assholes to the pipeline people?

During negotiations and stuff the indians rarely showed up or where late and very rude to them

liberals don't see aby problem if Obama tries to rekt Assad so he can build a pipeline in syria but if Trump wants to build one in America then they chimpout lmao

Not really. The "negotiations" never happened, because the board of the SRST never showed up to the negotiations. Of the many planned meetings, the tribe never appeared. It wasn't until construction began that the shenanigans began.

The native sold the land already... literally Indian giving because the left campaigns needed something to gather behind.

I want to treat Amerindians right after all the fucked up shit that happened them, but the pipeline is the most efficient means of transporting oil. Others may resist simply as an obstructionist trying to slow the usage of fossil fuels. I'm not a fan of using up all our fossil fuels as quickly as possible, but liberals shouldn't be emulating the asshole Teabagger movement. Stop it directly if you don't like it. Don't drown it in red tape.

Who the fuck cares about native land anyway.

What the fuck is wrong with you? That's not a source.

Paragon pipe.
Seriously that stuff looks like it was hand forged, hand painted, hand glazed, hand printed, the steel is just phenominal.
Wheatland is good, not as good but its good.

rude. be nicer or I'll rat you out to chief Pays-No-Taxes

Charles Littleleaf

Journalists sure are lazy

captcha: halberton calle

>Trump's pipeline
Where is this shit coming from

good good. do you know why there were veterans involved in supporting the dirt worshipers hullabaloo? what do you know about other groups that will swoop in to support them?

they mean its on their land in the sense that because of their race they feel entitled to ALL the land

Probably because the US is lawsuit happy so people will gladly take someone to court if they violate the contract. Plus reputation I'm the US is a big thing, if you fuck someone over on the first few jobs your guranteed to not get repeat business

>hey guys, we're just gonna run a pipeline beneath a major water source your people use
>how about no? what if there's another horrible catastrophe that poisons our people's major water supply like seems to happen every few years?
>too bad, we're doing away with all safety regulations though, it'll be OK :^)

The end.

It's all boiled down to the media narrative. Not sure if you caught it, but they were not even called "protesters" anymore, but "water protectors". There are also strong ties between natives and veterans. Indians highly support vets (in theory). Indian vets are even less helped than regular americans, but a vet is a great thing regardless of race to indians. But media images of contractor brutality, along with Obama's reluctance to get involved, painted a picture of government gone wrong against the people. I went to the camps up there a bunch of times. The vet support was very small compared to the east/west coasters that are there to "promote world peace".

FYI the tribe asked for all protests to GTFO the other day. Most residents of Standing Rock didn't give two shits about the pipeline, and the road was closed to get to the Prairie Knights casino, which fucked up profits for the tribe.

No, not "the end". Did you know that the water purifying process would clean out all the spill anyway? You can't just go get a cup from the mighty missouri and take a big swig. You'd be shitting your guts out for weeks. And it goes UNDER the river, my drinking water is fucking fine.

t. lived on Standing Rock for years.

ta m8

Does it go under a river and under an aquafer?

Or are you saying everybody has end-point filters to clean it all up, and/or that the river itself just needs a nice good dose of corexit or something like that?

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Trump strategically broke contracts to avoid paying people all the time
It's just his style to break the rules and hope that the benefits outweigh the consequences because of a broken system
Someday he will do something worth impeaching but because political parties destroy checks and balances it won't happen

But I mean, go on with liking him for whatever the fuck reason you people like him so much, because you hate liberals and degenerates or something I guess.

> be dirtworshipping buffalo niggers
> get offered $100,000,000 by pipeline company to have pipeline built through 5 miles of your reservation
> try to out-jew the oil jews
> oil jews bypass your shitty little reservation
> you get no money
> whine to Obama about sacred mountain
> Obama stops pipeline
> Trump gets elected
> pipeline plows through sacred mountain like all those cowboys did through your great-great-great grandsquaw's snatch
> you still get no money

The pipeline never was going on the the standing rock reservation and that was the tribes problem. If it's not on there property than they get nada, plain and simple. Where all the commies came from is pretty easy to track down.

That's not breaking the rules. That's using the system of how the rules work.

Banks, for instance, have entire divisions of lawyers in order to arbitrage the cost of litigation against the profit of whatever it was they just did that might or might not have been against the law.

Any fatcat from Jew York knows this.

>Is it actually on Native land or are the lib shits just complaining for no reason?

Fort Laramie Treaty, 1868

ARTICLE II.
The United States agrees that the following district of country... shall be and the same is, set apart for the absolute and undisturbed use and occupation of the Indians herein named, and for such other friendly tribes or individual Indians as from time to time they may be willing, with the consent of the United States, to admit amongst them; and the United States now solemnly agrees that no persons, except those herein designated and authorized so to do, and except such officers, agents, and employees of the government as may be authorized to enter upon Indian reservations in discharge of duties enjoined by law, shall ever be permitted to pass over, settle upon, or reside in the territory described in this article, or in such territory as may be added to this reservation for the use of said Indians, and henceforth they will and do hereby relinquish all claims or right in and to any portion of the United States or Territories, except such as is embraced within the limits aforesaid, and except as hereinafter provided.

ARTICLE XI. sub sect 6.
They withdraw all pretence of opposition to the construction of the railroad now being built along the Platte river and westward to the Pacific ocean, and they will not in future object to the construction of railroads, wagon roads, mail stations, or other works of utility or necessity, which may be ordered or permitted by the laws of the United States. But should such roads or other works be constructed on the lands of their reservation, the government will pay the tribe whatever amount of damage may be assessed by three disinterested commissioners to be appointed by the President for that purpose, one of the said commissioners to be a chief or headman of the tribe.

Here is some reading material to give you a basic understanding.
memepoliceman.com/dakota-pipeline/

What is trump gonna do about the 15 billion shekels lawsuit?

huffingtonpost.ca/2016/06/27/transcanada-keystone-lawsuit-nafta_n_10696608.html

Because feeling.

>muh sacred salmon burial ground
>muh stupid ancient bullshit
>muh blanket genocide
>now gibs casino and fireworks monopoly plox
wish they'd just join the fucking country and shut the fuck up. they're better off with us than they were warring over teepee tech.

we shouldn't have to care

no, its OFF reservation though. You listed the treaty rules for reservation lands, but its not even ON a reservation.
They purposefully put it some 15 miles from the Rez in question and on privately owned land. As we speak, the protest is taking place on a private rancher's land.

ITS NOT ON RESERVATION LAND.

>United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians(1980)

Justice Blackmun delivered the Court's opinion in which six other justices joined. Justice White concurred in part, and Justice Rehnquist dissented.

The first and the main issue in the case, was whether Congress transgressed against the separation of powers by directing the Claims Court to reconsider the Sioux claim, this time without regard to res judicata.[22] The Supreme Court concluded Congress could indeed waive res judicata and resurrect an adjudicated claim against the government, under its constitutionally conferred power to "pay the nation's debts," including "moral debts."

The second issue was whether the Sioux had already received just compensation for their land, and the Court affirmed the Claims Court's decision that they never had.The Court recognized a tension between Congress's duty to serve as a benevolent trustee for Indians, and the power to take their land. "Congress can own two hats, but it cannot wear them both at the same time," said the opinion. While reaffirming earlier decisions that Congress has "paramount authority over the property of the Indians," the Court concluded that Congress acts properly only if it "makes a good faith effort to give the Indians the full value of the land," which here it had failed to do.[27] In conclusion the Supreme Court ordered "just compensation to the Sioux Nation, and that obligation, including an award of interest, must now, at last, be paid."

The Sioux have declined to accept the money,because acceptance would legally terminate Sioux demands for return of the Black Hills. The money remains in a Bureau of Indian Affairs account accruing compound interest. As of 24 August 2011 the Sioux interest on their money has compounded to over 1 billion dollars