EU army

What if the EU had its own army? Would that make the EU stronger?

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What's up with the collectivist urge towards collectivism? Aren't you viable nation-states anymore? So sad/.

>Would that make the EU stronger?
Yes... and that's bad. The EU is an anti-European supranational organization that is designed to destroy the populations of its constituent states.

no it makes it weaker cause alot of members dont want it cause its another step closer to a superstate it was used by brexiters to great affect

>EU Army

Enjoy your French commanders since they'll be the only country in the EU with a proper military when we leave.

it won't work. Soldiers have a very strong sense of nationalism.
You can't just tell them to forget it all and fight for some abstract European Army concept

It's not that dude, I sometimes feel like that if the EU wants to become stronger, it should become some kind of confederation of states like the us. Every state has its own laws, culture and governements untouched, but things lke health care, army and civil rights shared through the whole union. I love my country and I'd never identify myself European over being Italian, but with that being said I love my fellow european citizens and I believe we can become stronger united.

Go make me some fucking pasta

We don't want an army and we don't want the EU.

>(((EU)))
Yes it would make Isreal stronger

Not good.

Cucked EU starts enforcing its way on the EU countries that don't want some aspects, like immigrants.

Enter war.

Well considering were abandoning the EU and that cunt merkel, sure double down on that globalist agenda luigi.

Why do people underestimate our army so much? Yes we were a disaster in the 2nd world war but thats the past. Nowadays our army is solid, well organized and quite big. I know we italians are a meme when the topic is war, but I believe our army is quite trust worthy.

>Says the country that is literally made up of states with a collective army

hmmm, I understand completely Italybro. But make sure it's for the best interests of you and not some hidden agenda before proceeding.

What about UN forces?

The only situation where I see a war happen in Europe is Russia invading us ( very very unlikely, plus I love my ruski bros) and that would kinda put all of us in the same boat, Europeans would have to work together for the safety of their states.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt my Italian friend.

No, we are united under a federal government now. Maybe less if Trump frees us.

Thats the biggest issue atm, I might sound like a pro EU cuck etc but I currently despise how the EU works. Still, I belive it can be fixed but time is running out, we already lost the brits ( wont blame them too much for leaving even though I feel the decision was bit rushed). If the EU isnt reformed ASAP its going to collapse.

>EU army
>I's mostly the French and Italians
Now you just need some Austrians.

They are Merkels bitches!

Honestly though, they are no longer nations. That's what the immigration is about, to erase their national identity.

I'm not talking about the superstate bs, Having a unique army would make it stronger and it'd also cut costs in logistic and other stuff, think about it.

Yes the Eu policies on immigration are retarded, but to reach the point where they would force us to do stuff with the army, unlikely

the EU is cancer. let it collapse and then we can cooperate on our own terms. we already have NATO, the fuck do we need an EU army for?

>Austrians
>Italians

dem ww1 memories

I'm pretty tired of writing this over and over and over and over again, but here we go again.

The concept "EU army" that's been thrown around since brexit is NOT a standing military. It is the following:

>a common coordination centre
>equalizing standards in operation, training and equipment so militaries across europe can work closer together
>synchronizing military policy
>a base treaty that has collective defense and several other things like NATO in its mind
>cut involvement in NATO

That is what people are suggesting, what people want and what this whole thing should be.

NOW I will acknowledge that germans are so cucked and so fucked that Merkel may just do a 180 and try to force through an actual STANDING army with German commanders.

But it is not what's in the works now or what we're talking about or what EU army means.

Im pretty sure that if the US leave NATO there is not point in keeping that org alive, Trump has said many negative things about it so yeah that got me thinking about alternatives

Yeah, it worked so great in K.u.k.ania - why not try it with 24+ languages instead.

>a common coordination centre
>synchronizing military policy

The 2 most importants points, 100% agree with all of this.

It's funny how Sup Forums recognizes NATO as a cancerous shit of an organization that is about as bad as the UN in regards to our destruction and yet when it suits their argument it's always "we already have NATO what's the matter with that".

Fucking edgy contrarian board.

Yeah, and the EU used to be just a free trade agreement, before it turned into a sovereign entity with a president, flag, anthem and parliament hellbent on destroying the european people. Just like Kalergi, one of it's founding fathers wrote in his book.

Eat my shit, fucking non-country.

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No.

>Yeah, and the EU used to be just a free trade agreement, before it turned into a sovereign entity with a president, flag, anthem and parliament hellbent on destroying the european people. Just like Kalergi, one of it's founding fathers wrote in his book.

Read my entire fucking post mongol, I clearly said what it might become if Mama Merkel gets reelected and gets to do whatever she wants.

But it is not that right now and so you're pissing in the wind.

What force, the UN only has about a thousand of troops at most, who by the way are incompetent as shit.

LMAO at those shopped flags on the bradley

Trump will not allow a EU army. This has been conveyed to Merkel

Merkel is never being replaced, she's made sure of that by enslaving the germans to the state and flooding the country and the whole continent with rapefugees. Think ahead you fucking retard, EU army is a fucking clear as day attempt to make sure they're never being removed via a revolution.

Trump will not allow it ?

what the fuck are you talking about? Im sure he has enough problems to deal with in the US

Yes America first. BUT a major party of a secure America is a muslim free EU. Prepare to be purged.

Learn to read nigger. States, not nation-states.

>Think ahead you fucking retard, EU army is a fucking clear as day attempt to make sure they're never being removed via a revolution.

I know Sup Forums was stupid, but THIS stupid?

I wrote to you what the IDEA of a EU army fucking is. Until it has become anything else or any indication has been given as to it becoming anything else we are discussing the bloody idea. Which is not whatever the fuck you're talking about.

Your retarded little revolution and crap fantasy is deluded, naive and childish. Grow the fuck up. Embrace the facts. The EU army has been discussed for the past 30 fucking years or more. It is what I wrote it is. No one has ever mentioned a standing army. No one has ever indicated anything towards one. You will not live out those stupid fantasies you have in bed of being some revolutionary against the opressive EU army.

Do you know why the austrian empire and austria-hungary got btfo in every war? Eu army would fail in the same way.

>but things lke health care, army and civil rights shared through the whole union
HANDS OFF MY HEALTHCARE UNLESS YOU PAY THE SAME TAXES AS ME
T.DANE

It would exist to suppress the natives and protect rapefugees.

You make it sound like I'm happy that we are being flooded by muslisms lol, if Trump does something about that I will be grateful, but beyond that since he said AMUURICA FIRST he shouldnt probably stick his nose in our affairs.

t. 12 year old edgelord

Are you seriously comparing a 100 years old war scenario to a possible modern war scenario? Nonsense

There is actually a movement to reform the EU into a European Republic, its an awesome concept where cultural zones are left intact but we form a strong and wealthy republic.

Good point, I'm sure your health care is much better than ours, I really didnt think about this detail smorrebro

>Not realizing your taxes could be much, much lower while still having the same standard of healthcare if it was managed by the European Republic.

No

The chain of command would be horrible, no one is willing to commit troops to other countries leaders

Those scenarios are all really bad, because they propose large sweeping changes where none are needed. In fact, cuts are needed, Big, massive cuts to EU policy.

This is insane, I get it People do not like Merkel, myself included. BUT this fuckign revolution thing is just beyond stupidity. Thanks for brining some sanity to this thread belgiumbro

>That's what the immigration is about, to erase their national identity.
its a meme. It has changed next to nothing
definetly yes. I hope that the EU becomes a unified federal superstate.

>don't worry goy, we're totally not going to sell the EU army to you as this fairly reasonable thing, then turn around and expand it to what we really want it to be, just like we did with the whole fucking union
Once again, eat my shit non-country. I froze my ass in the snow and vowed my allegiance to the nation of Finland, not so you kikes could use me to fight your wars.

Immigration not regulated is damaging the Eu, you can't deny that.

About the federal superstate, you being so happy about it with that flag kinda worries me.

No, revolution IN GERMANY is very much warranted, but this retard who has some stupid fantasies of fighting an oppressive EU state is just being fucking stupid.

No one wants to use you to fight anything dumbass, we want to have armies in Europe ready to respond quickly if Putin dies and the next one does a chimpout and decides to invade you motherfuckers. Or something along those lines.

>thinking that would actually happen, look what happened with poland, the workload WILL NOT be equalized in a greater euro"pee"n union

Yes, the ER isnt about pushing through this inefficient hellhole that is called the EU. It's about actually giving people power through a representative senate of people that vote on policy, and uniting our nations properly under a largely common legal system.

It would prevent idiots like Orban from banning newspapers, while boosting economic profits everywhere and giving people in northwestern Europe more influence over southern European border control.

We can all go and isolate ourselves, but I would much rather side with my fellow Europeans to form a proper front against the rest of the world, otherwise we all become puppet states of Russia, China and the USA.

>EU army
I'm not going to take orders from some french faggots.

Give me one argument that proves that the EU will/can not expand the unified army beyond the terms they've discussed.

Exactly, if we europeans want to have a future where we still matter in the international scene we need to work together.

If you manage income tax, minimum wage and such at a republic level, this will be less of a problem, it will be in the interest of the company to hire someone from its own cultural zone if it can't pay some polish guy much less.

Keep an open mind man, this is just an ideal at this point.

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The French are pretty good mate, Europe could do worse.

I was on a joint Euro Ex before Brexit, it was mostly Italians and Spanish and I can only describe it as an Arab tier farce.

They said it wasn't a 'Euro army' ex but they also made us put these faggy stickers on our vehicles. I'm so glad we're leaving.

>It's about actually giving people power through a representative senate of people that vote on policy, and uniting our nations properly under a largely common legal system.

You mean the European Parliament?

>It would prevent idiots like Orban from banning newspapers, while boosting economic profits everywhere and giving people in northwestern Europe more influence over southern European border control.

Cucking the only effective leader in the whole continent?

Enjoy taking orders from some Russian butch girl then.

TTIP

CETA

ACTA

I can do a whole lot more. I know it hurts you because you can't maintain your naive fantasies, but major utter fucking bullshit that goes against the wishes of every european on the continent still can't be forced upon us.

>EU army
No, there is no collective european identity to make that successful.

I'd rather join an alliance with Russia than be a part of your cucked WORTHLESS army, shitaly.

EU NATOcucks are the worst type of scum

>was on a joint Euro Ex before Brexit, it was mostly Italians and Spanish and I can only describe it as an Arab tier farce.
>They said it wasn't a 'Euro army' ex but they also made us put these faggy stickers on our vehicles. I'm so glad we're leaving.

That's because it's done with typical EU buearacracy bullshit. These motherfuckers care only about their reports in the end, their logos and their stickers. No one ever adresses any roots of the problem.

It'd do fifty times more benefit to sit down an Italian person from their ministry of defense, one of yours and one of the Spaniards and have them discuss each others defense policy.

But yes, a eurocrat would always prefer to mash you together, put a sticker on you and then give the report to his superior.

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You're very well equipped and some of you're medium force/strike brigade concepts in the pipeline are frankly outstanding, like the French in Mali etc. The difference between you're Army and ours/to some extent the French is a training and experience deficit. Basically is you had a decent backbone of NCO's you be okay, you don't though.

Hate to be that guy, but this is 100% a shill thread. Note how they all spout the same MSM bullshit about 'muh russia, 'muh Europe is irrelevant unless we unite, and now they're shilling the fucking TTIP of all things. Newfags beware, do not fall for their tricks.

> newfags

it's just plebbitors agreeing with plebbitors, you can observe this phenomenon very well on plebbit subs like /worldnews and /europe

>get outargued
>don't respond to me any more, address all the others and call me a shill

Sorry I exposed your retarded fantasies as farce you fucking mongol.

It would make removing undesireable elements easier.

EU army is provoking Russia and is used to undermine Russian interest. We can't stop you from doing it but we sure as hell can put up a fight when the time calls for it.

Don't be a German puppet.

If the EU wants one ok, just keep us out of it. It will be ridiculously expensive, and ruled by incompetent bureaucrats. The rules of the EU will turn it into a social security organisation of the type that does charity and gets shot at. Not the type that does the shooting.

Be careful Kraut we might come back and take the rest of what you call tyrol

It's never meant to be anti-russian. It's technically meant to just be a reactionary treaty, much like NATO without even the bases/standing troops/missions.

But yes, Merkel wants a standing army to fight Russia with.

Don't make me laugh, you dirty little manlet.

You couldn't take a paperbag from an old lady.

>What if the EU had its own army?
It will be a shit army, nobody's willing to die for the EU
>Would that make the EU stronger?
Not really 2bh

>The rules of the EU will turn it into a social security organisation of the type that does charity and gets shot at. Not the type that does the shooting.

I can just imagine if Merkel ever forces a standing army and we take it up the ass and accept it, how you have to show your gun to someone every week to prove you still have the logo of the EU army glued on it.

Yeah, never did I say our army is the strongest army in the Eu, but yeah we could totally improve and I hope we will one day

>It's never meant to be anti-russian.
>Merkel wants a standing army to fight Russia with.


Really makes me think

this is why stormfags are stupid fucks on the fringe of existence like ufo cultists.

Not just wrong and willfully idiotic but irl moronic /b tier trollios no one wants to know.

It's never going to be a streamlined command system mate. I've seen it with ISAF and with the UN and with NATO. It's pure burecracy for the pussy nations, but when the men on the ground getting spastic orders look to the left and right of them, it's always the same faces. You will never see Germans or Italians getting amongst it, anywhere. It's always the Brits, French, Danes, sometimes Estonians.

What's the offer exactly? More buerocracy in already top heavy force orgs to deliver what lethal effect? I'm not being reductionist but I just don't see the offer.

he's hopeless

I can't deny that the uncontrolled immigration is damaging the EU.
But in the endeffect it will pay off.

I dream of a democratic superstate, not one under German rule, with draconic punishments for corruption.
Time to get rid of the weak and corrupt governments, especially in south Europe.
+a policy against the rising gap between rich and poor
A technocracy would be nice in my opinion

I love how you are not even trying to prove that guy wrong, you are just spitting random insults and stupid shit. Spastic

> stormfags
> random, borderline illiterate "statement" about Israel

you were responding to a sandnigger

russia let's make alliance, it'll show them

Well, I hope so too. But as long as you're under the wing of a federation that treats you as meat in the room it won't happen.

>Italian
>Army

KEK

> in end effect it will pay off

We'll hang you last.

Who will fund the rapefugees if budget was directed to the army?

>Austrian asking Russian for an alliance

I would gladly accept it but you better watch out for mutti Merkel.

>synchronizing military policy

If you'd like to explain how France and Germany can have the same military policy, go ahead.