Expecting Mexico to Pay for the Wall

Since when it is okay for a country to demand that another one pay for its own infrastructure? How do you justify this?

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it is shared infrastructure and they owe us

Look at Israel

They pay for using space on this planet, that's why

> it is shared infrastructure

Not if Mexico doesn't want it or have any intentions of building it. Not to mention that I'm pretty sure it could only ever be built on the US's side of the border.

The Austrians built a wall around Viennia, and they made the English pay for it.

>use of the American economy to strong arm other nations has never been done before

Except in Cuba, Russia, Colombia, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Syria...

It's fine. They can refuse to pay, and the US can black any Western Union payment going to Mexico until they change their mind.
It's fine.

Since when is it ok for 11 million people from one country to illegal squat in another country, costing money and resources that are taken away from the population that pays for it, and there be 0 consequences?

They're lucky we don't arrest them all and make them build it before spending the rest of their lives enslaved.

Even if you disagree with NAFTA you signed it off, they didn't take or steal anything. Regarding immegration it isn't the responsibility of the country where the immegrants are from.

Also, unless the wall is placed on the mexico side, it will be US infastructure, since it would be on US turf. Even eluding this, part of the very definition of infastructure is that it helps community or soceity, and since it only helps the US, it will only be US infastructure.

>Mexicans think that they won't for pay for the wall

You deport them, or enslave them and face the consequences of that.

>How do you justify this

It's an alternative fact.

when did roaches start to become good posters??

Because we have economic leverage and a military to back up that leverage, be glad we aren't making you pay for a nothern wall Leaf.

It's on the border. They should pay at least half.

>Since when it is okay for a country to demand that another one pay

when one takes without permission in the first place

You're an idiot. Do you not realize the northern border of mexico is owned by the cartels? Do you not realize they make most of their money transporting people over the border, and having them carry drug packs aswell.

As soon as their resources disappear they'll start to lose power and collapse, thus being a gain for both the USA and Mexico.

>How do you justify this

Their inability to stop the consistent flow of people from their country into ours.

>Regarding immegration it isn't the responsibility of the country where the immegrants are from.

It technically is. They should control their borders

Trump was just desperate to "make a deal" to increase his popularity. It takes a bigger abuser to see through the bullshit of another abuser.

Most of the people sending money back to Mexico are legal citizens so he's gonna get into a yuuge loss-loss situation if he tries to stop the money on top of building a wall that even the Texas GOP started bitching about today.

I'm just in for the ride.

it's a USA american circus.

the media pushes the hype for more ad revenues

while

the gullible goym, the fat ignorant mass, beLIEve the hype.

poor, lost souls.

yet their keep sending millions of their undesirables across the border and do nothing to stop it

really made me think lave

>it is shared infrastructure
u wot

We are going to deport them, and if we don't we won't enslave them. Our government won't allow that. But with the state things are in atm, I wouldn't be surprised if private citizens start digging and filling more mass graves in the desert.

If they're undocumented, no one will miss them, or be able to prove they even existed in the first place.

They wont pay 100% its just a bargaining trick.
God, you leafs are dumb.

If trump goes to a meeting with the beaner in charge, and says 100% then mexico says 20%, then trump says 80%. And so forth.....Wake up dumdum

Wasn't there something about American paid water cleaning facilities close to the border? Americans got too much fucked up water because of Mexico, but because Pedro will be Pedro, Americans just took care of it themselves and placed a water cleaning facility in Mexico. Could be a skewed view, can't be arsed to look it up.

why would we have to face consequences for deporting people that shouldnt even be here in the first place?

>not wanting to keep your own citizens

A country is, at its core, a business.
It's citizens are its patrons.

Keep your clientele is core to sustaining and growing a business.

Tax Mexican imports at 1% for a couple years.

Wall paid for.

America helped pay for mexicos southern border wall.

Mexico shouldnt bitch out on its dues...

Sec. 9. Foreign Aid Reporting Requirements. The head of each executive department and agency shall identify and quantify all sources of direct and indirect Federal aid or assistance to the Government of Mexico on an annual basis over the past five years, including all bilateral and multilateral development aid, economic assistance, humanitarian aid, and military aid. Within 30 days of the date of this order, the head of each executive department and agency shall submit this information to the Secretary of State. Within 60 days of the date of this order, the Secretary shall submit to the President a consolidated report reflecting the levels of such aid and assistance that has been provided annually, over each of the past five years.

whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/25/executive-order-border-security-and-immigration-enforcement-improvements

Your sure about not paying for the wall Pedro?

Round up all the illegals stuck in our prisons and force them to work on the wall 12 hours a day. If they want to run back to Mexico that's fine. Self deportation.

>How do you justify this?
They are knowingly and intentionally weakening our country by trafficking drugs and criminals. They clearly wont even try to stop it from happening so we will, but it will cost them. If they dont like it, thats too fucking bad. Theyre free to trade with other countries if they want to avoid paying for it, all they have to do is stay out of America and stop relying on our aid.

Only 12?

DELET THIS
He did not hit her

The question wasn't about whether they'd pay 100% of it you nicompoop.

They could remove any need for a wall by enforcing the laws about international border crossing. It might even be cheaper.

Since it was okay for one country to abuse it's neighbor's borders for decades.

>and the US can black any Western Union payment going to Mexico until they change their mind

lmao

this is what trumplets actually believe

Usually this post on Sup Forums would mean something entirely different...

Sauce? Would be delicious, if true.

>mexicos southern border wall

People are just going to pay the cartel more to get over. Also as long as you either a) suddenly stop having a demand for illegal drugs in US or b) get it produced away from the cartels, they will still be coming from mexico in the foreseeable future. These are all simple market forces that won't be hindered much by wall, as long as the wealth lies in the north. Trumps isolationism will simply get eroded.

Can you back up this technicallity? I can't think of many countries where there immigration policy consists of asking nations to stop emigration, let alone that it works.

They've been dumping their poor and uneducated on us for decades telling them how to exploit our welfare system and send money back to Mexico.

Fuck them.

When that rogue and lawless nation is intentionally flooding your country with welfare cheats, rapists, murderers, gun runners, coyotes, and drug dealers.

Is it okay with you leaf if we have our own country?

Be careful with your answer.

We might like to do some northern expansion one day.

One year of corrected trade deficits with Mexico will pay for 5 walls. Trump said they will pay for it "one way or another." Balancing the trade deficits is the best way. If they want to stop all trade, Mexico will fall into chaos - all the more reason to build a wall. Checkmate you illogical fag.

Since that government sent an invasion force into our country

Mexico is MUCH more harsh in dealing with illegals crossing their southern border than we are.

Since their country cost ours Trillions of dollars. It is a transaction like any other. In this time of absurd human ruthlessness and thievery thats just the way its done.

This.
Or just simply balance trade between our nations: 5 walls paid for every year.
It really is not that complicated for someone with an IQ of >85.

>they

its jewish propaganda you stupid fuck, the mexican government never sent anyone but sure just show me whatever alternative facts you got queer

I still find it weird usa thinks mexico needs to be held responsible for mexicans and pay for the wall
It's not like every mexican was chipped and controlled by the government

Mexico deserves to be great as well.

Illegal immigration only delays the revolution that will oust the corrupt government and narco-terrorists.

easy, the wall is to prevent further negative consequences of illegal immigration and mexico paying for it indirectly or directly due to the lack of initiative in stopping said illegal immigration and them taking advantage of it due to over population.

Goddamn we need to nuke Canada. It's full of cucks and fat retards that think they have any say bout America. Fuck canacucks

THE WEAK SHOULD FEAR THE STRONG

ironic how most mexicans will simply fly to canada visa free, and those who don't stay will simply walk downwards

wall btfo

Not all of them are even Mexican

>A leaf thinks he won't get run over or raked by cartel government like Mexico when he tries to be nice and friendly

Canada just shut the fuck up

You leafs make horrible posts

You have no idea how the world works

All of your posts are just horrible nonsense, wishy washy liberal bullshit propaganda.

I would join any movement that would make it their #1 priority into whiping out Canadians, no talk, just mass genocide.

You people are so goddamn indoctrinated and stupid, EVERY SINGLE CANADIAN ADDS NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

Not to this board

Not to any thread

You don't say anything, ever, you're all so fucking retarded, I'd give my soul to see Canada burn until you were all dead.
All of you, screaming, dying in agony, it's the only fate you deserve and that's still good enough.

Retarded fucking leafs, fucking fags, even your flag is motherfucking retarded.

No they don't, Mexico is a complete wasteland. Mexico is honestly a third world country and there people leave and don't want to invest into their own country.

Yo Messicans, when are you going to stop your government from seizing your land and take your weapons away?

It already is produced away from the cartels, its just transported thru their. The only thing they maybe produce is marijuana, and thats becoming legal thus a) suddenly stop having a demand for illegal drugs by making it legal.

Generally the market won't change much, but just like a store going out of business based on supply, demand and liabilities, the drug route will take hold somewhere else, and be forced back underground instead of out in the open like it is now.

>Or just simply balance trade between our nations:

and stop fucking with their markets with our farm subsidies, the last thing America needs is more cheap corn syrup

Was just gonna say this.

Nice shitpost, but it doesn't actually answer the question.

Honestly I hope you're never caught on camera arguing for us, if you do you'll make us look retarded.

Since World War reparations.

>It's fine. They can refuse to pay, and the US can black any Western Union payment going to Mexico until they change their mind.

except they can't, unless Western Union decides not to

not like I expect Sup Forumstards to actually understand how literally anything works though

>How do you justify this?

Beaner migration has suppressed wages and swelled up low-grade labor gluts.

The wall is only needed because of Mexico's failures to control its people and its territory. The only workable alternative to the wall would be an invasion of northern Mexico by the US military to establish a secure buffer zone between our countries. The wall is both Mexico's responsibility and its best option to avoid a humiliating military defeat. They should pay and be greatful for the opportunity to settle this peacefully

Mexico—confirmed shithole peasant culture of the highest order, with age of consent of 12yo and no respect for the rule of law—spent decades encouraging tens of millions of their lowest quality 3rd world peasants to flood into their neighbor's country.

They wouldn't build the wall, so we're building it for them.

The commerce clause explicitly gives them the ability to regulate interstate commerce, which is all Western Union does.

It's time to stop posting.

Because they don't imprison the criminals we extradite back to their country. Those criminals pop back over and sell drugs/rape/murder and get extradited back.

Nearly their entire police force/gov't is corrupt and it's burdened us for long enough. They pretty much owe us at this point.

Plus we've been shipping jobs to them, and letting them illegally work in our country for the last 40 years (at least). Again. They owe us.

not really, it's actually the opposite, countries can't prevent their people from leaving unless they're criminals and shit

Plus not all the Mexicans are border hoppers

They purposefully dumped 30 million+ of their poorest people onto us. Fuck them.

Even if they don't pay for it we will get the money back once we deport all the illegals in the country. We're spending billions on illegal immigrants to have they things they shouldn't.

Mexico, along with our NATO allies should be paying us MILITARY TRIBUTES on an annual basis.

They are taught classes and given maps and pointed to way stations to get here.

It's nothing less than a country emptying all its trash onto its neighbors lawn.

Could we pay for it ourselves? Sure.

But can we say Fuck You Mexico, you're paying for it?

You bet.

BARE MINIMUM of 30 million. Upwards of 60 million is the likely number.

If you're not careful leaf, you're next

It's a catholic invasion just as sure as Europe is a muslim invasion. Just bigger and more hidden.

Mexico is not forced by any law to keep people in. It's actually the opposite. If a country prevents its citizens from leaving this is taken as a bad thing and a violation of international law

Is the US to blame for the actions of filibusters in central america in the XIXth century? No.

Mexico didn't force anyoen to keep illegals in, it was republicucks and democrats who wanted cheap labor and cheap votes

>third world country threatens top global superpower
lel m8 keep it up you'll be paying for the bridges and roads as well not just the wall at this rate

Just imagine any past world power having the weaponry and military capacity that we have today. The fact that we walk on eggshells around our tributaries is fucking embarrassing.

but they're not the ones who want it. If belgium built a wall on your border and then demanded you pay, would that be ok?

when will this mexican southern border wall meme die, it's literally fake news

I'd propose an offer of major tax breaks to all companies helping send money to Mexico if they make it not only complicated to send money, but also flat out deny illegals from sending money.

But this also.

Western Union wouldn't pass up on incentives and breaks for some illegals.

Then they should still take responsibility for themselves and pay for the wall. Their people come over here and act like everything is owed to them. They claim to want to be treated like fellow civilians yet they shit on every other civilian. They are rotten and filled with hatred for anyone that is not them. They do not follow laws or rules or have an ounce of respect for anyone. What you are implying behind your words is absolutely false.

a country is not responsible for the actions of every one of it's citizens. By that logic we'd have a fuckload of wars every year as vengeance for the shitty actions of a country's citizens

>How dare the Communists force the people to stay in? This wall is a blight.
>How dare the Mexican government not keep its people in? They need to build a wall.
Lovely contradiction. Let's see them gymnastics.

so they send it to other country and from ther its send to mexico.

You demand now from western union to stop sending money around the world?

Mexico is fucked

Great news

Actually Americans are sending dirty water to the border of Mexico thanks to their hoover dam

Because mexico couldn't keep their people in, they came to us, committed crimes, were stealing jobs.
This is a "payback" from mexico, the US should not have to make sure illegal mexicans do not come in, it should be mexico job, but they were ignoring it for so long.

>the US can black any Western Union payment going to Mexico

BLACKED

You'll believe in the true Jesus whether you like it or not

>a country is not responsible for the actions of every one of it's citizens.

YES THEY ARE!!

>By that logic we'd have a fuckload of wars every year as vengeance for the shitty actions of a country's citizens

No we wouldnt. Everyone of these people are the same. They are all parasites, they are all ungrateful, they are all terrorists against the people of the USA. It is no different then a military action. No go and eat your taco.

>OP is a fucking leaf
>its not ok to ask for a wall
>A FUCKING LEAF

>Western union or any other startup incorporates bitcoin or any other e currency into their systems
>sells it to people
>assblasted trumpfag flip floppers turn against bitcoin