What's wrong with fascism?

What's wrong with fascism?

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as usual - Germans

its the same phenomenon as communism just on the other side of the spectrum
this is what poltards dont understand.
neo nazi skinhead degenerate fuck is the same as the antifa.. as these are the same in essence so are those ideology's

lmao even kek agrees

Wrooong. Fascism still lets people own and run their own businesses (With some guidelines) Also Fascism has respect for private property rights.

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It makes people unhappy which is all that matters in the end. Also the centralized command is subject to greater variability because nobody is hedging the bets

horseshoe theory is bullshit dude.

fascism allows for private property, free market enterprise, praises the family and traditional values and even democracy in the case of Mosley.

Fascism is in every metric better than communism, as far as living under it is concerned.

literally nothing if you don't overplay your hand and sperg out and invade every single fucking country on the planet

Japan should have stopped at Korea, Taiwan, and Manchuria

Germany should have stopped at Czechoslovakia

Italy should have stayed out of Ethiopia

world would be a lot less faggy

Meh, there's nothing wrong with it and in fact its the perfect form of government to jump to right after a period of Renaissance and Industrialization (after kings and queens are deposed).

The Problem with the way its been implemented is making Absolutely Sure of who your mid-level management is when you SET it up.

Otherwise you end up with a problem in the woodpile and it just doesnt go away.

Then you have shit go on like what happened in germany - they went (well, full hitler) and got everybody pissed at them.

If they spent more time infiltrating other countries like the 'states (as communism did afterward) nobody would have went to war with them because they would have been too powerful.

Economics is "meh" but exercising stronger control and guidance on developing technology and better ways of living (plus guaranteeing 100% employment) it begins to outweigh those handicaps after awhile.

Too many people saw this kind of development and capability as a threat, which is why they came up with reasons to attack.

Facism is something you go to the Stars with man.

> mfw they had the "bell"

>It makes communists unhappy
ftfy

> guaranteeing 100% employment

While at the same time not press-ganging everybody into slavery like the communists did.

> you can even leave the country if you want

> aside from needing to work to survive, life generally goes on like normal

thats because it does the same thing communism does but it still leaves people feeling like they're creative human beings with friends

> rather than disposable commodities

Italians

idiotic opinion

right = hierarchy

left = rejection of hierarchy

one works, one creates a dictatorship to fix its failures

Centralized power is only useful in national emergencies.

Otherwise, it leads to poor decision-making, abuse of power, and violent revolution.

This is a really good point. Even the fucking Romans knew to do this during the age of the Republic

The Jews say it's bad to talk about it and the people who support it are bad. They say this when people criticize them on promoting communist systems, creating banking hegemony cartels to fund both sides of war, creating media hegemony cartels installing and their communist agents in governments and trying to take them over.

Apparently fascism is being critical of Jews and communism and resisting them when they try and pull their shit every few hundred years.

hitler didnt abuse

Nothing. I would probably consider myself a fascist.

It is susceptible to be abused (just like any other system though really), and the problem of passing on power to the next leader is a bit tricky imo - but other than that it's a good system

>What was wrong with Mussolini

Fixed

>It makes people unhappy which is all that matters in the end
You're lucky I'm on my phone or I would shut you up by posting one of a dozen or so pics with names like
Millions_of_cheering_germans.jpg

Yeah passing on leadership is a tricky one, I guess it would be up to the military to choose

* centralized power - communism
* poor decision making - communism
* abuse of power - communism
* violent revolution - the fall of the soviet union in 1989

Thats the thing if you check it out closely in principal - its got a problem with ANY cultural group who are subversive and infiltrating by their nature.

Doesnt matter who it is, its the behavior which is dangerous to the state.

Nationalist Socialism sets itself up with the assumption they're gonna be there forever. Not that its acceptable to just think of themselves as a transition government and 100 or 200 years down the road the nation will have a peaceful revolution and do things differently - NOPE

NS/Facism (fascio - "of the people") goes in planning to be there for 1000+ years.

Subversive cultures and groups (ahem secret societies) are a threat to that and have to be eliminated, down to their blood and bones if necessary.

Germans were natsoc, and didn't believe in capitalism, which is requisite for fascism.

government is incompetent

You don't usually get a good person in charge, and they almost never get a good successor.

Mussolini made some bad decisions, like getting into WW2.

Some of it he was railroaded into though, his middle management was doing things slightly different than he wanted and it got him forced into going down certain roads.

The germans/hitler were also impressively determined, and likely would have turned on him if italy didnt get involved.

Muss. said repeatedly italy wasnt ready for war.

But in domestic, non-war terms Italy was doing great under Mussolini.

Moderately flexible on the JQ. Likes hierarchy, not banks. Kills lefties. Nit capitalist, but doesn't hate company ownerships.

Nothing, I guess.

oddly people believe anti-capitalist must mean that one doesnt believe in using money.

When at the end of the war the facists said that it was the perfect merger of Corporate and State power they meant that the State USED corporate and business power to maintain control.

Didnt do away with it, but kept it firmly under its thumb.

> mfw you could get rich in facist germany
> just not dangerously rich
> or they'd say you weren't patriotic
> and/or just make you invest it back into the state somehow

this

>Fascism
>Unhappy

youtube.com/watch?v=i6GXNIuNDac - DUCE! DUCE!

How can fascism be right wing though? Everything I read about it and tolatalaritan seems to resonate with things people and leaders on the left do. Are the far left, and far right similar?

>But in domestic, non-war terms Italy was doing great under Mussolini.

Literally the only thing that was good under him was that the trains ran on time. He was shit at everything else.

Nothing

It is implyiing that people can be divided into strong/weak, Industriuos/lazy, and making policies as followes, without taking ANY socio economic factors into consideration. It is a call for inherited privaledge, dumb luck and plutocracy, and will waste the talents of huge percentages of a given population on account of circumstance, and therfore producing the most failed and backward systems ever to have graced our earth!!!!!

ok

That's the thing, Fascism isn't really left or right, but combines the best aspects of both

MUSSOLINI DID NOTHING WRONG

It's another shit marxist ideology.

It's evil.

Salute to the 77

Nothing with the modern version, Mussolini was to kind to the kikes.

Too kind? He tricked them

Are you fucking stupid?

Jews aren't the problem, it's Zionism and Marxism that's the problem.

Governments power over business can quickly become corrupt as it puts the government in a position where they can pick the winners and losers of business.

Vigerously opposed by international bankers - hard to get started without getting lebensraum and dealing with the subsequent invasion.

Horrible if you aren't part of the "in-group"

Horrible if the fascist in charge is incompetent, corrupt, or both.

War is degenerate and fascists societies revere it.

Suppression of free speech and dissent causes society to stagnate. Survival of the party is valued over new innovative ideas.

MUH FREEDOMS

Plenty wrong with it.

Fascists societies have also had problems being truly meritocratic, partially due to corruption, partly due to muh racial purity I prefer 75IQ aryans over 125IQ minorities.

Leaf, what you just said can be applied to any political ideology.

>Suppression of free speech and dissent causes society to stagnate. Survival of the party is valued over new innovative ideas.

Only certain speech, do you really want the population to be spewing out cultural-Marxism 24/7?

Fascism is economically centrist and socially right wing.

Schools just never talk about how the National Socialists were Socialists.

A
FUCKING
coherent, informative post. well done, leaf

Mi no frego

>War is degenerate

Almost had me until this, leaf

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Yeah communism sucks largely because it is a dictatorship much like fashism.

I'd rather a non-degenerate government decide winners than kikes and other more powerful companies deciding our government anyway.

Both have agendas that don't work for a sizable portion of the citizenry and turn to brutal means of enforcing them.

"eh, quando c'era Lui..." is literally a fucking meme in Italy, along with "blacks have music in their blood" and "there are no mid-seasons anymore".

This is because ALL old people eventually say it.
They ALL eventually say that, "when He was charge..." things were better.

The most memed one is "when He was in charge, trains ran on time".

That doesn't sound very unhappy.

>Governments power over business can quickly become corrupt as it puts the government in a position where they can pick the winners and losers of business.
The governments are at least elected. Just look at the current system, where businesses have more power than countries, this is way worse. We have zero power over who's going to corrupt the people in office for their own benefit.

>Horrible if you aren't part of the "in-group"
>playing on the premise that not being part of the "in-group" contributes positively on the society
This is not the case. The reason there are strong incentives not to be in an "out-group" is because they're degenerates that destroy the society from within. Just look at the West today.

>Horrible if the fascist in charge is incompetent, corrupt, or both.
Complete nonsense, this is true of all forms of society.

>War is degenerate and fascists societies revere it.
I'll give you that, tweaking required.

>Suppression of free speech and dissent causes society to stagnate
>because being a progressive is an inherently good thing
Are you serious? Does bill C-16 ring a bell? Have you learned nothing?

>Survival of the party is valued over new innovative ideas.
When the new ideas are Marxist degenerate garbage, I'm absolutely okay with this. Survival of the civilization is far more important than your right to call a garbage dump "art".

Italians

It didn't work--not as a war machine; not economically. Your question is as pointless as asking what is wrong with horse drawn carriages. Dustbin of history.

they didn't wanted war.

Why invade Poland then?

Only thing I dont really like is militarism, being that the economy kindof relies on producing for the military, and most other people are farmers, but other variants of fascism have different economies so I still support it

Also a pussy who loses a fight who says "I didn't even want to fight" is even more of a pussy

they killed ethnic Germans.

you need to be over 18 to post here,

Citation needed. The Nazis killed ethnic Germans too (gay ones, communist ones, retarded ones...) They didn't want war but they refused to abide by the terms of surrender from the last war they lost which is tantamount to declaring war. If they didn't want war they should have been a good little nation and peaceful and not commit genocide. Fascism is stupid and it doesn't work.

The weak should fear the strong--NAZIs thought they could win but could not. A nation of cowards with a big daddy doesn't win wars. Well unless they are communists lol.

gays were a problem because they were also communist, kinda of a fallacy but it can be proven, retarded are a burden to society and communist were the number one problem of Germany. They refused to surrender because that would imply a total subversion, and by the morality of back then that would be the biggest shame.
you need to be over 18 to post here.

>Communists have won wars

Ok

USSR beat the shit out of Germany in at least one I can think of.

American's education.

Also related si stava meglio quando si stava peggio

nothing

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ill give it to the italians this time, mussolini was based and so is fascism

You're retarded.

Such arguments

you have to be atleast 18 years old to post here.

Huge bullshit

Economic growth
Great infrastructure improvements
Fascist policies protected the Italian economy from the Great Depression and allowed the modernization of Italy to continue
Education system improved
Criminality reached an all-time low
He was the only one in Italian history who truly eliminated the Mafia problem

You have no idea how old I am

Present arguments or shut the fuck up Euronigger

Eat shit bootlicker

Ceaser principle is mad. Aesthetic as fuck though, and it gets shit done.

its kind of weak desu, show me fashy victories

honestly its funnier to leave you in your state of stupidity. feel free to leave thinking you won

It's not the only political system currently in use.
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How is winning being right ?

Is fascism left wing Sup Forums?

anti-freedoms
there's not many things I would fight for, but I would definitely put my life on the line to fight anything resembling fascism here

Yes, you need a big governament in order to enforce fascism.
>muh freedumbs
freedom is not an end.

The citizens for which fascism works are the valuable ones where all productivity comes from, though.
Maybe genocidal fascism is where it's at, ruthless extermination of the parasites maybe is needed.

Lol

This didn't happen with Franko.

because jimmy donuts the unemployed slacker doesn't want to be told what to do by nobody

>you have one good leader
>you give him absolute power
>OK, things are good during this leader's lifetime
>two generations later, in a more corrupted regime, some quasi-kike faggot maneuvers his way to the fuhrer-ship
>suddenly, the worst possible commie crypto-kike is in power but you can't do anything about it because there are no built-in checks and balances

hypothetical

Too populist.

Go full monarchy.

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Nothing.
National Socialism is better though.

Too infected with progressive ideology (anti-conservative, anti-church, statist...)
Traditional conservatism is the answer

>what's wrong with facism
Its supporters