How much money do you really need?

I've seen some pretty heated discussions on here about this in the past. I firmly believe that no one needs billions, millions, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to live a comfortable, modern lifestyle. The only thing keeping everyone on earth from living this way is greedy people. Come at me.

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you don't need the internet, either
so fuck off, you greedy bastard

Who cares about the money

Its the power behind it I'm after, the power to do whatever I want.

just about tree fiddy

>I know better than you
>I know you don't NEED that much
>You own the most profitable companies in the world, but I'm taking your profit anyway
>We can all be equally middle class!

For fuck sakes, user, most people with that kind of money... It's not like they just have billions sitting in their bank accounts. They have that mostly in net worth. Shit I've got over 500k in my net worth. Eventually I'll have over a million and be considered a millionaire. Doesn't mean I can just spend spend spend as much as I want.

As a comfortable millionaire i can assure you a few thousand are more than sufficient.
Not wasting resources on every childlike or beastly whim also helps my posessions grow ever quicker as a plus.

People will always want more, no matter how comfortable and well off they are. The means are varied depending on limitations.

This includes you.

Why else would you advocate this nonsense if not to get more for yourself in the easiest way possible?

It's not greedy to use one of the greatest tools we've ever had. Practically limitless information for very little money. Eat shit.

>whatever I want

If you want to do retarded shit with a bunch of money then you don't deserve the money in the first place

You know what I'm talking about. No one needs a $250,000 salary to be happy and live comfortably. I saw an interview recently with a "self made millionaire" entrepreneur that scoffed at a $32,000 salary. That's over $2500 a month, $600 a week. If you can't live comfortably with that kind of money, you're fucking stupid.

>I firmly believe that no one needs billions, millions, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to live a comfortable, modern lifestyle
and the people who make that money don't care about what you think they need.
>Come at me.
there's nothing to come at, retard.

What do you mean by "a few thousand"??

argumentum ad populum

YES

Thanks for helping the world suck

no problem, you whiny faggot.

>How much money do you really need?
As much as you can earn on your own. If you can't earn enough to support yourself, you don't deserve any more.

Enough money to have food on the table, have a decent house, and disposable income for vidya, anime and guns.

All in all, 50k (after taxes) should be enough for an average white man.

This
You are free to have all the property you want no matter how disgusted by it I am
When you start using it to harm and disenfranchise innocent people youre a criminal
The problem is that theyre basically inseparable now.
The richer people get the more likely they will use that to get what they want regardless of consequence
I guess its human nature, but we have the ability to overcome that now
If the law wont help us stop tyrants, we must take justice into our own hands
I'm not a commie, I dont support redistribution of wealth and I voted for Trump
I dont think he has done anything terrible enough to warrant the opinions most lefties have of him
But if he hangs us out to dry, damn straight I want justice

So you are saying a lifestyle you approve of should not cost more than X dollars.

So why don't we cap salaries at that amount or tax anything above it at 50%+?

You don't need that much at all. My family of four, soon to be five, lives on 20k a year.

It's not about having all that money to yourself. There is practically no one on Earth who owns a number of assets equal to their total dollar value. Most of it is in banks or stocks, which means it is invested in other businesses, which in turn use that money to create more goods or discover new things.

That means either existing goods will be available at lower prices/higher qualities, or that there will be new goods available that allow for better lifestyles.

You're writing this on a computer or a smartphone, but do you really think those companies and inventions could have happened without private funding? Yes, the internet is the grandchild of ARPANET, but that was possible only with private benefits and was incredibly primitive. It was only made better by private investment into computers and IPs.

No cap because sometimes people are really really really good at what they do and every dollar they earn also creates wealth for others.

As far as tax: add federal to state and local income tax and most high earners are paying pretty close to your 50%

Because then the government would be artificially limiting your earning potential. You don't "deserve" any money. The money you get is what you earn and that's how it should be. If you're so much of a dumbfuck that you can't even get a job at McDonald's, you deserve to die. Abolish foodstamps and welfare, it's just a crutch for the poor to steal resources that they didn't earn themselves.

It cracks me up when a Walton heir was like

>you don't know how hard it is to live on $50million a year

It's a struggle if you want to live in a perpetual nigger rap video.

McDonald's and all other food service positions have been artificially kept from the grasps of automation for too long. Soon a grand majority of jobs will be replaced by automation, and people will simply be out of work. What then? The only answer is a universal basic income.

And? They're still spending their other million dollars on overblown bullshit

The internet could have happened without private investment, especially if the majority mindset wasn't similar to your own. People would rather just see their returns increase, regardless of actual progress.

>when i was 10
man if i had 100 shekels...
>when i was 20
man if i had 1000 shekels on me
>when ill reach 30
man if i just had 10k to spend..

Bud, 32k a year is not anywhere near $2500 a month after taxes.

I feel like you're sitting somewhere in Orange County in your parents mega basement and they took your Minecraft away

We aren't paying for your college Bernie

>Soon a grand majority of jobs will be replaced by automation, and people will simply be out of work. What then?
Maybe they should have thought about diversifying their skill set past fast food. We still need welders, plumbers, and electricians. It's not my fault that they have literally no ambition in life and could never do anything more than cook a burger. There will always be jobs. People will need to program new robots, maintain the old ones, etc. Healthcare professionals will be in work for a long time, so will scientists. Any career which requires creativity will still be in demand.


If it ever gets to the point where 99% of jobs are automated, then we're in a post-scarcity economy and there will be literally no reason to charge for anything because there's way more supply than demand.

Doesn't matter what you think people 'need', taxation is theft and the idea that you think states can 'reasonably' take other people's finances away to support others, without collapse, is loony.

Moreover, how do you think large scale operations aren't going to take place without large scale finances. What about space or tech companies, what about research or science? Shit needs to move and shout not be held back.

this.

I make 32,000 a year and after taxes it's roughly 350 a week.

And? The government taxes you to pay for ARPANET and you see now financial gain. You invest your money in Microsoft and when their computers are successful you make money. What's wrong with being rewarded for smart financial decisions?

Maybe he was talking about after taxes retard. You could live easily on 1,000 less than that, monthly, anyways.

how did you get there and what age did you make a million? 23 year old wantrepreneur here; I ask this question to millionaires every chance I get

No one needs a whiny little bitch either, yet here you are.

hahahahahahaha

did you seriously just say taxation is theft

and then ask how I think large scale space operations are funded?

Do you understand that there's a robot the size of an SUV rolling around on Mars right now, paid for by American taxpayers?

No one should make more than a million a year

>rent 600$ a month
>food 200$ chicken and rice and a multivitamin a day
>car insurance 200$ a month

it's not easy to live comfortable on 1000$ a month.

Why?

I said $1000 less than what he said, which was $2500.

My monthly income is like $1650. I've got two kids and one on the way. We're very comfortable.

Why are you paying $200 for car insurance? Must have wrecked, gotten a ticket, or bought a fancy car. Also $600 for rent for one person is kind of dumb.

Hey that's actually interesting you mention that- I was expecting car insurance to cost something like that. Should it be less?

Explain the difference between me putting a gun to your head, and taking your money and the state putting a gun to your head, and taking your money.

That's cool man. What part of the country are you in? Rent/own? Any govt benefits?

We live on the Oregon coast, we rent but we're planning on buying a home this year. No government benefits, luckily.

My girlfriend pays about $55, in some states you can get it for less than $30. It's usually over $100 for younger drivers or people with tickets.

Explain how the mutual exchange of goods and services between a private citizen and the federal/state/local government is like having a gun to your head. I don't necessarily agree with all taxes, but taxation is the only way to work together as a modern society.

It's beautiful out there. Hope you eat lots of Tillamook!

Oh wow, that's much more reasonable than I would have expected. We're 20 and 23 and haven't even learned to drive yet, so I'm sure that will raise our price a bit.

I can't throw you into a cage or kill you if you resist for not exchanging with me you fucking retard.

I'm still waiting for an answer.

When a private citizen chooses to buy something from a private business, he is the only one controlling the output. He can demand exactly what he needs or wants, and if he doesn't like the price he can choose to go to another store without incurring any serious inconvenience or injury.

When a private citizen receives goods from the government, his "purchases" are decided by someone else, as is his price, and BOTH are mandatory. A citizen cannot choose to NOT receive government services in exchange for not paying taxes, they are required to agree to both regardless of their opinion. His only option if he doesn't like it is to pay enormous amounts of money to purchase property in another country, and will likely have to learn a new language and live among people who consider him an outsider.

A vegan can choose not to buy meat, a muslim can choose not to buy pork, but a libertarian can't choose not to accept government goods.

This potatoe literally equated any relationship a citizen has to the government with mutual exchange.

That has to be a new level of autism.

>And? They're still spending their other million dollars on overblown bullshit

If you cap them then they go home when they hit the cap.

And all those other people who would have made money with them don't.

Also you do not get the taxes on that money or on the money the others would have made.

Your problem is that you have no argument other than your feelings and your sense of entitlement and that's why you and your ilk have never succeeded in mainstream though.

What I need is none of your business and nor is it your right to determine what I need and that's why socialism and communism will always be nothing but a platform for the weak, stupid, and jealous.

Wew lad, your second statement is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while.

How do you live without a drivers license?

What do you mean?

It is and we try to, although with a food budget of $400 we only get it during rare sales.

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I like to equate my success in life with focusing on what I can do to increase the cost of my labor, not worry about what others have in their wallet.

I'm a little confused. You pay for car insurance, yet neither of you can drive. Do you have a car that just sits in the driveway?

So what do you suggest we do exactly?

Do you want to be a communist or a socialist about it?

Socialists I don't mind but if you picked communism you're retarded. Communism has killed more people during peace time than most wars put together. Communist dictatorships often end in mass starvation.

When you receive roads, bridges, tunnels, ferries, buses, police, firefighters, public works employees, schools, etc. in return for paying taxes, I bet you're not acting like such a snobby bitch

>thinking you're an idiot for not knowing how to live comfortably on a five figure salary

That's not jealousy, m8

Some form of democratic socialism might be alright. Nothing is going to be 100% great, but the world has changed a lot since we first figured out the industrial revolution.

You know that's not me in the first comment, right? I don't have a car, but I'm getting one soon.

>I once hear a wheelchair man talk about this, therefor it's true.
wheelchair man should pay someone to carry him around instead of using that chair.

>gibs your earnings to others because you're greedy, not me or those who want your stuff for free!

Gommunism, the post

They have democratic socialism in Europe. Even somewhat in the US with large government programs gained through taxation. It doesn't actually lead to what you suggested.

Strangely what happens in socialism is the rich tend to figure out how to make even more money or the hide it as much as they can. All you need to do is change the books and you can skim what would have been tax dollars off the top.

It costs a million dollars to raise a kid.

I don't pay taxes for any of those. I pay taxes so I don't end up in a cage, or dead if I defend myself.

Also, I can live quite comfortably making 5 figures a year. I live more comfortably making 6 figures a year. I'd venture to bet I'd live even more comfortably making 7 figures a year.

Focus on what you can do to increase the value of your labor instead of bitching about other people's success on the internet.

TL;DR learn basic economics

Your feelings stem from jealousy over someone having money that you want to spent in another way, that's textbok jealousy. Not only that, but you convince yourself that your belief is justified because you perceive people who have more money than you to be "stupid" because surely they simply just don't "know any better".

This is why your ilk are a joke because you don't know what's best for anyone and when people tell you to fuck off, all you can do is retreat into a shell and say "Well, you must hate poor people/You don't know what's in your best interest/You're GREEDY" and subsequently pretend to have the high ground when all you've done is made yourself look like a retarded child

It's not strange at all. As long as government has power over the masses; those who can buy that power will. That's literally everywhere in history.

use this handy chart to find out. absolute max is ~200k$ a year.

80k$ is where diminishing returns kick in hard.

I'm not saying I'm a libertarian, I'm saying you can't equate government spending to a business product. You can't choose not to pay for schools if you don't have kids, or pay not to have firefighters if your house is guaranteed not to burn. You HAVE to pay for those products, even if they provide social benefit.

I believe taxation IS necessary, but not that it is fair or ideal, and ESPECIALLY not that it is equivalent to buying services from the government.

Wish I could buy you a beer irl user.

No it doesn't.

All of it

1/4 million not including college. I was wrong. OP is still a faggot

Why should I care about all the poor people? If they could amount to shit, they would have by now. If idiots can't put two and two together and stop birthing 8 kids with no source of income then why do I need to help them? How about they just exit the gene pool?
There is no rational reason to keeping places like Africa from destroying itself other than for the first world to have a feelgood circlejerk. The poor are like pandas; kinda fun to keep around and look at but would go extinct if left to their own devices.

I meant it more sarcastically. Rich people tend to be very bright.

>I'm not greedy for wanting more money than I actually need to live comfortably

Modern ignorance, the post

Uh yeah except you do, you idiot. Depending on where you live, there are various taxes included in things like gas. And if you pay taxes, they're used to help provide you those services I mentioned.

What makes rich people look like retarded children to everyone else is when they think they need to blow their money on expensive cars, expensive houses, expensive clothing, etc etc.. Thinking poorer people are somehow jealous of your bullshit is textbook narcissism.

I'd love for you to just lay out what costs you imagine adding up to that.

>you don't deserve the money in the first place
Tell me, what does "deserve" mean?

Except you're kind of a dickhead if you don't want a very small portion of your taxes going toward education, and you can't guarantee your house not to burn. How much do you even pay into these things, per year? Do you even know? It's probably less than $1 a day.

> Instead of enjoying what little time you have on this earth, you should give that money to ME because MY life means something

If I had the choice between saving a village from starvation and gettig a jetski, I would pick jetski 100/100 times.

Do you still live at home with the parents?

foxnews.com/us/2017/01/10/cost-raising-child-is-more-than-233k-in-us.html

I think he means few thousand a month.

To live comfortably, as a single person, you need about $60,000 a year - after taxes. So, an annual salary of $100,000 should do it.

No, I don't. You idiot. If I had a choice, I would pay $0 taxes.

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>I firmly believe that no one needs billions, millions, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to live a comfortable, modern lifestyle.
You're right, nobody needs it. But those people, in most cases, earned it. So get fucked and go donate your computer, since you don't "need" that either.

If wealth was forcibly distributed all that would happen is there would be no high-producers to generate distributable wealth.

LOL, the entire reason that I asked you to lay out what you think a kid costs is because I knew you'd fallen for that bullshit kike information. Seriously, just throw out some ideas of what's going to cost you that much involving raising a child?

I have two sons and one on the way, already said this. I know how much a child costs, you obviously do not.

Fire fighters used to be exclusively volunteer/run on donations until they started plying for tax revenue and unionizing themselves.

Everything is relative, user. Even poor people in the US and Canada have more than they need.

Youre a fucking moron.

I have three kids and thats about right. I do save some money being that my two boys are close in age so clothes that dont get ruined on the first shot can be re-used. Other than that its spot on.

Fuck off commie

$60,000/365 = roughly $164 per day, or about $5000 a month.

Tell me what the fuck you're doing with $164 a day

HAHAHA okay, enjoy raising your kids according to the kike standards, mine are perfectly happy and well taken care of with far less. What do you even spend your money on? I've probably spent $1000 total since my first son was born. Maybe a little more for diapers but those are like $40 a month so....

How old are you?

Oh wow holy shit, something that used to happen

I was going to say the same but it was so ridiculous sounding I assumed he was just a troll.

Nobody "needs" money at all, homeless people still scrape by through charity.

Money is all about wants. You want to get a house, you want to have a car and a job, you want to have a doctor treat you when you get sick or injured. That's what money is for.

Now in terms of what the average person "needs" to make to live comfortably, it's probably around 70k annually, assuming they have at least one dependent who isn't working, a house, and a car. Minimum.

Now I know where this bait thread is intended to go. We're supposed to say "you don't need a lot to live" and you say "well then why do the CEOs make all that money, it's not fair!".

Stop being a retard. If someone has money, you don't deserve any of it. Unless you are being payed by them, you are not entitled to a cent of another person's production.

Now look at the usual example:
Factory workers make low wages, maybe even minimum, while the owner makes millions.

The workers get paid shit because if the factory goes to shit, they have no investment in it other than having to find a new job.

However, the owner had to make a large monetary commitment when he bought the factory, one which would cost him a lot if the factory closed.

The workers only deserve what the owner is willing to pay them, since they can go find another job if they don't like their wages.

The owner sets his own wage because he runs the company, and if he screws up and doesn't pay people enough, they'll quit and he won't be able to hire anyone.

Take any econ course, they'll tell you the same thing.

>poorfag