Communist here. AMA

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How the fuck can you possibly implement communism without becoming a tyrannical regime of horror like the ones that came before you?

What communist party are you apart of? Do they have real chances of representation in your country? What is your opinion of modern day Vietnam and Laos?

By keeping a democracy and never giving the state control over the means of production.

Ok my2nd question is dumb, I'm not a pol reg.

Do you have any food?

I'm not in a party because all the communist party's are either liberals with red flags or are dead. No party but the democrats (Neo-liberals) and Republicans (Conservatives). I don't know about Laos but Vietnam has gone full capitalism.

Yes.

what type of communist are you?

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Why don't you watch Stephon Molymeme?

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How are the rubble pits you call houses holding up?

Leninist. I want the workers to rise up guided by a vanguard party and over throw the current government and take over all the companies so they can self manage without state interference then a democratic state is formed based on mostly direct democracy which slowly shifts more power to the local governments.

Because I have risen above BASIC ECONOMICS into more complex Marxian and post Keynesian economics.

Which ones?

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My government can't function for shit nor can it use tax payers moneys effectively why should we give it more power ?

Off yourself you fucking degenerate. Fucking hate communists, eat a cyanide capsule.

First of all we don't want from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs until full automation has been reached. Next see this PDF about your gripes with economic planning. Then how is getting paid more not motivational.

why are you still alive? i need to fix that

You shouldn't. But you should give workers control over there own work place see

Why has Communism never been implemented without a totalitarian seizing control?

Could you entertain the idea that when a certain ideology is usurped by a tyrant every time it's attempted, maybe it's the fault of the ideology?

How could you force equality without stealing from people and using government force, and how would you handle a populace that does not agree? Gulags?

Then thats not communism

You probably hate communism because of Venezuela. See this video. youtube.com/watch?v=HZ4W209fjWQ

How can the workers overthrow the government without forming their own state?

So would you say you are an anarcho syndicalist? And how would this not lead to exploitation by the new owners? Blind faith in the idea that they are as idealistic as you?

We agree but the means of achiving our goal differ i beilive the way to do that is to reduce taxes and privatize healthcare education reduce general taxes etc

Ok. If thats what you want to believe but worker control has always been the idea of the far left. Marx never advocated the state controlling everything.

What the hell why aren't our sand niggers free marketeers?

I'd trade you for abdul al baghdadi who votes for more govt control and suppression

not only venezuela, communism stop innovation and competition, will force people to work and repart equally between the lazys and the hard workers, therefore no incentive to work for more reward, you will end like cuba or venezuela or worse like north korea.

They do form there own state buts its direct democratic.

> communist
Yeah, so rare specie nowadays.
Idiots.

Thats not the idea of communism. Its workers ownership and control of the means of production. Nothing else.

Tits or BTFO

Here's a question no Communist nor Socialist has answered sufficiently for a century would you be the first :^) ?

mises.org/library/end-socialism-and-calculation-debate-revisited

also when full automatization of process and jobs come capitalism will have to change to adifferent system , and wont be comunism but an evolved capitalism

Lenin was also funded by Germany to go into Russia to cause havoc. You realize that right?

What ensures that the new regime does not become totalitarian? There have scarcely been internal coups of govt that do not end in totalitarianism. See French Revolution and any communist revolution.

This is where Communists idealism separates them from reality. You simply have faith that they won't form a totalitarian state. What stops them? Idealism that you project onto them?

i don't get what you are saying sorry

Why would anyone be a communist in this day and age knowing full well we don't live in a post scarcity society? Why is it that the people who usually talk about the working class struggles have never worked a day of labor in their life? Why is it that communists ignore all negative aspects of communist society but highlight the few advancements done under it's banner? Why are you you unfunny?

get fugged gommie

why are you alive?

>Why has Communism never been implemented without a totalitarian seizing control?

It has. See pic.

>Could you entertain the idea that when a certain ideology is usurped by a tyrant every time it's attempted, maybe it's the fault of the ideology?

Yes. If it was usurped by tyrants every time.

>How could you force equality without stealing from people and using government force, and how would you handle a populace that does not agree? Gulags?

I don't want equality of outcome. I just want the bosses to stop stealing surplus value.

Why havent you hung yourself faggot?

fuck off and die you degenerate commie faggot

how do you think workers will get control of the means of production, they will have to form a regulatory institution that will evolve in another tyrany, also what will be the means of production in a comunist country, what isf someone doesn't want to work?

We should always be scared of communists who say that Marx was misrepresented. Every communist leader who rose to power said that and then killed millions trying to do ''the real communism''.

Do you have a good file hoster? I have a PDF on the economic calculation problem.

> and take over all the companies

... you mean like... HP? Google? Amazon? Apple?

you know. companies started by free people.

what companies?

give us a list

you fucking disease

Yes but what does that mean? That is so broad it can be defined differently depending on the communist you ask.

Theoretically, if the state is not controlling the means of production, wouldn't it simply be new bosses and owners of the means of production? What makes the revolutionaries any better then the previous owners, in theory? And, to expand on what the colombian user said, if communism is forced equality, there is no incentive for innovation. It simply doesn't exist. If you will be paid and given the same for doing the bare minimum, the vast majority of people will do just that.

In summary.

1. No incentive to excel and earn higher economic standing means no more innovation (including tech, medicine, etc)
2. Communism is the belief that I am breathing therefore I deserve as much as everybody

How does communism address individual dignity and the aspirational desire to build and own and NOT share?

Name one country that became richer after adopting communism

Was gomunism ever tryed succesfully?

OH MY FUCKING GOD YOU JUST FUCKING MEMED YOURSELF

> I HAVE RISEN ABOVE BASIC ECONOMICS

> INTO MORE COMPLEX MARXIAN AND POST KEYNESIAN ECONOMICS


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DIE LOL

>. I just want the bosses to stop stealing surplus value.
They don't this is based on a massive fallacy perpetuated by Marx.

Not only has the classical labor theory of value been debunked and unused in economics for 120+ years replaced by subjective value theory but Marx's theory itself was an absurd assertion.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=2W79tD1FpyM

>Lenin was also funded by Germany to go into Russia to cause havoc. You realize that right?

Yeah I knew that.

>What ensures that the new regime does not become totalitarian? There have scarcely been internal coups of govt that do not end in totalitarianism. See French Revolution and any communist revolution.

Because the working class caries out the revolution. Its not a coup its an overthrow by the working class. And because the working class overthrew the state there would be no reason to impose something people wouldn't like.

marx communism is just an impossible utopia, literally anyone can make a book about a society where everything is perfect, that doesn't mean that it's possible

Worker vote on how the company operates and make things according to need because now that the economy is a planned one planned by workers councils they produce according to need.

Why don't you kill yourself?

All companies.

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You don't have to share your income. Not with your boss not with anyone.

>I have a PDF on the economic calculation problem.
I've read it and it's shit user.

It uses the same arguments and outright fallacies debunked in that article and by the expanded arguments of matusz machaj

>Why don't you kill yourself?

Well, OP, why don't you?

How will innovation come about if the incentive to that innovation, creation of products and earning of skills which can earn you higher capital is removed?

Also which of those were not a police state that did not accept dissent? Even if there weren't gulags every communist regime did not accept dissent.

I'm not talking about a govt with some socialist economic policies, but states with institutional Marxism and a true overthrow of the Bourgeois replaced by the "working class" (new regime) in a violent revolution as your beloved Lenin envisions it

Why was Marx's theory absurd? Can you name a place where value was created that didn't involve labor?

How would communism appeal to someone with an ethno nationalist mindset?

you haven't told me what would happen if someone doesn't want to work?

kys Jew

Isn't that socialism rather than communism?

Why haven't you killed yourself yet? All communists do is kill communists.

salso who will earn more the boss or the worker? or all will earn the same independently of its skill , career and position?

edgy XD

>Why was Marx's theory absurd? Can you name a place where value was created that didn't involve labor?

Pretty much any apple product ever. The products are made cheap and because of their high demand they are sold at expensive rates. I bet you're typing on one as we speak.

>Why was Marx's theory absurd?
I posted a very short video on why and honestly the fact that it has to be explained shows your own Ignorance of what employment is and how a business makes profit.

This isn't an opinion Marx's LTV has been debunked for over a century the fact you're still clinging to it shows you as a religious zealot not someone interested in economic discussion

Yes but the working class, in order to overthrow the status quo, would need leaders to direct them as a functional army. Again, what stops those leaders from using their loyalists to do their specific bidding in exchange for favors?

Power always exists and always will exist. Selfishness exists and always will exist. You may despise it, but you cannot forcibly control others unless you want a totalitarian state, which already defeats the goal. It is better, to my mind, to direct that energy of desire toward forced altruism of a free market society where people are forced to provide a service or a product which people want and like in order to make their ends meet. You must provide something people want or you will survive, and if you provide the best stuff you can enjoy luxury.

Systems of power and power struggle will always remain, and attempting to transition to a syndicalist utopia will only allow those to manifest in more wicked ways

>How will innovation come about if the incentive to that innovation, creation of products and earning of skills which can earn you higher capital is removed?

People are motivated by more than money. Why do you think many inventors ended up making essentially no money.

>Also which of those were not a police state that did not accept dissent? Even if there weren't gulags every communist regime did not accept dissent.

None of the country I listed had gulags or mass death. Except maybe Yugoslavia.

>I'm not talking about a govt with some socialist economic policies, but states with institutional Marxism and a true overthrow of the Bourgeois replaced by the "working class" (new regime) in a violent revolution as your beloved Lenin envisions it

Once you takes someone company away they are no longer bourgeois. They no longer need to be overthrown or anything.

Do you really think that average working class people can manage a company by popular vote?

Has there ever been any large organization that functioned properly like this?

They starve to death because they have no income.

Well yes. Communism is a stateless society.

We have the memes of production.

>Marx never advocated the state controlling everything.
He did, it's litteraly the "first phase"
Once the state seized everything, it could then proceed to make the transition to the "classless" society

Except for some reason, that transition never succeed

What city u are from?

The difference is that the ones that turned out tyrants either were clearly tyrants or denied the fact that they were tyrants despite the fact that they violated human rights all the time. There are many cases of socialism where human rights weren't flagrantly violated.

thanks, I can now legally kill you after dark in many states as you've just threatened to use violence to steal from me

good luck commie faggot

AMERICAN STEEL

Albania, Russia, China, etc if you mean Marxism-Leninism.

since you're a faggot:

Why communism?

why not let people start companies and run their own companies?

what's wrong with people starting companies, getting better at them, growing?

what problem are you solving?

Answer all the questions you faggot

I hope to slice your bones

the same would happen in capitalism, tough maybe would be charity that also exist in capitalism

The first argument is bullshit. Value is based on the minimum labor time necessary. So just because you spent 100 days making a sandwich doesn't mean its worth anything more than the sandwich made by someone in 5 minutes.

what kind of products would have your "commuinst" society, what would be manofactured?

There could be charity in socialism as well.

If you were unconditionally given according to your needs, would you produce as hard as you possibly can for nothing more?

Please be honest.

>People are motivated by more than money

Maybe not you very much, but most people are to an extent. Some more or less than others. Of course many scientists were simply driven by the pursuit of knowledge or invention. But that was in the scientific revolution when the rudiments of modern science began to come to fruition. My question is, why would somebody innovate in the more relevant/simple sense of simply making a slightly better product? That's the point where it's not a huge scientific marvel, but will simply be something more highly marketable. You can see this with the steady progression of computers. Without monetary incentive I doubt computers or phones would be where they are. And this applies to many many products/services.

Communists simply need to understand that most people are not driven by idealism. You need to be pragmatic.

>None of the countries I listed had gulags or mass death

Police state does not mean mass death, it means a heavy surveillance state where dissent is not tolerated in non lethal ways, and there is heavy indoctrination

What ever is needed.

Cuba keeps innovation and some medicines were developed there during the US boicot. Your argument is invalid because Cuba is proof that technology is capable of being improved during comunism.

huffingtonpost.es/2016/04/07/innovaciones-medicina-cuba_n_9580294.html

what would happen to the enteprenours that invented or discovered a new method to mkae better things or speed up the industrial process.

value is based on what people will pay for something

faggot

a gold nugget you find by accident isn't worth more than one you have to dig and sluice for a day to find

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Under socialism you are not. You give labor you get something.

As a woman how can I seize the means of production?

>a gold nugget you find by accident isn't worth more than one you have to dig and sluice for a day to find

Its based on the value of the minimum amount of labor required to make it. Socially necessary labor time.

so entertainment products won't exist.