Communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.

>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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mises.org/library/socialism-economic-and-sociological-analysis
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Is Bibi /our guy/??

twitter.com/netanyahu/status/825371795972825089

go implement your autistic ideas on mars you faggot

Communism doesn't work. Get out.

Communists will be the first to hang.

Another thread about jealousy

Over the last century, capitalism has repeatedly revealed its worst tendencies: instability and inequality. Instances of instability include the Great Depression (1929-1941) and the Great Recession since 2008, plus eleven "downturns" in the US between those two global collapses. Each time, millions lost jobs, misery soared, poverty worsened and massive resources were wasted. Leaders promised that their "reforms" would prevent such instability from recurring. Those promises were not kept. Reforms did not work or did not endure. The system was, and remains, the problem.

Inequality likewise proved to be an inherent trend of capitalism. Only occasionally and temporarily did opposition from its victims stop or reverse it. Income and wealth inequalities have worsened in almost every capitalist country since at least the 1970s. Today we have returned to the huge 19th-century-sized gaps between the richest 1 percent and everyone else. Rescuing the "disappearing middle class" has become every aspiring politician's slogan. Extreme inequality infects all of society as corporations and the rich, to protect their positions, buy the politicians, mass media and other cultural forms that are for sale.

Capitalism in Western Europe, North America and Japan -- its original centers -- has boosted profits in four basic ways since the 1970s. First, it computerized and robotized, not to lessen everyone's work time, but instead to raise profits by reducing payrolls. Second, it exploited low-wage immigrant labor to offset wage increases won by years of labor struggles. Third, it moved production to lower-wage countries such as China, India, Brazil and others. Fourth, it divided and weakened the labor unions, political party groups and other organizations that pursued labor's interests. As a result, inside nearly every country of the global capitalist system, the rich-poor divide deepened.

rare flag

I will read your shit after you read Socialism by Ludwig von Mises. Here is where you can read it free of charge, since I know communists are always poor.

mises.org/library/socialism-economic-and-sociological-analysis

First for free helicopter rides for commies

>Mises shows that there is no tendency to monopoly in a free market system.

Ew

It's true, only happens by force, usually by state

>i have a toddler's understanding of capitalism

We aren't your comrades. I want people like you to die slowly, all the while suffering immensely.

Hey, can you answer one question of mine please?

Say hi CIA propaganda

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I can answer your question for him.
WASN'T REAL COMMUNISM EVEN THOUGH THEY TRIED TO DO IT FOR SEVENTY YEARS

That's what they always say, Vadim.

Why do you defend the bourgeoisie comrade?

Capitalism will soon deplete earth's resources and climate, so you are probably going to die this way you are describing

>using decades old cartoons to support your centuries old ideology
>leftists in charge of innovation

>the cia care about Communists
They're to worried we'd talk about their psyops or drug pensions. They made this thread probably.

>Commies combat boogeyman monopolist by giving government monopoly over everything
Even if your fears were legitimate (they aren't), your solution is pants-on-head retarded

SOMALIA IT'S NOT REAL CAPITALISM

what is the productive infrastructure of more humans

>WASN'T REAL COMMUNISM

still better, than privatization and neoliberalism

Somalia is a country with niggers in it.
It's like saying a dog's breed is a horribly inferior one because this dog got cancer.
Same as all dogs present in a room with, I don't know, a Hohol-operated nuclear reactor.
Yep. Sadly, it didn't work as well as it should've.
Though even чepвь-пидop is better than our 90s.

>it should've.

It shouldn`t, market economy is cancer

>romania
Dude, that country's a definition of 'that one Eastern European shithole'. Picking it as an example is cherrypicking.
Though US and Western Europe's success is partially due to the people they possess.

So by your logic Communism didn't work because they had Russians, which are worse than niggers.

That's why you've gone from world power to insignificance within three decades

Communism killed over 100 million people in the last century and enslaved half of the world, dooming them to live short, brutish lives.

Fuck you. Die.

>still better, than privatization and neoliberalism
It collapsed.

yes romania a country that lived of the money of the USSR, and wen it disapeared the money went away nice example

>somalia

You do realize they are equivalent to gypsies in their own continent, right? Comparatively recognizeable facial features compared to other africans, and all the other nationalities hate them.

>100 million

you mean 6000000 gorillion

>enslaved half of the world

Thank God, that your country has liberated this half

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If you look hear you can state, that USSR lived of the money of the USSR, absolutely mad shit

>insignificance
According to the leader of the free world we easily influenced world's most powerful country's elections and now have our plant work as a President of said most powerful country.
Not very insignificant, unless we somehow shouldn't trust a man at such a high post, right? :^)
Seriously though, are you sure you of all anthropoids on this board you're the one to talk about someone being worse than niggers? Your olympiad was such a grand failure, Bonzi.
I have never visited Somalia nor do I ever plan to, same for Romania. But good to know, Finbro.

these people are obviously baiting, no one takes communism seriously anymore

compose yourselves

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Your cancerous ideology will be stamped out in my lifetime and we will inoculate the youth against your corruption for all time.

well communism has been in practice for around 100 years, capitalism has been around for a long time, doesnt excuse the shit communism did

so the USSR didnt send money to its satelite states is that it ?

It was sort of trade, except absolutely shitholes like african countries

Full on communism is unsustainable and inherently designed for easy corruption and subjugation. Nazi Germany used socialist policies better than any other country, and it was right on the spectrum.

>communism has been in practice for around 100 years, capitalism has been around for a long time
No either way.

oh dear...

tell me when communism was in practise

GDP is a worthless measure and says nothing of the standard of living.
Soviet States and China both bolster the numbers with frivolous production including monuments and empty cities. This helps no one. It is worse than useless!

The question should not be how much gross product is pumped out, but how useful that product is and how efficiently it is being allocated.
The wealth of a nation is not indicated by production, but consumption, for that is the ultimate goal of production.
If you look at things from this perspective it is evident that GDP stats from communist nations are useless, for the people lived in squalor!

Fuck off commies

>GDP is a worthless measure and says nothing of the standard of living
>Life expectancy is a worthless measure and says nothing of the standard of living
>HDP is a worthless measure and says nothing of the standard of living
>Bourgs opinion is a worth measure and says everything of the standard of living

Since the days of Christ. Jesus lived in a commune and it was pretty much a very, very small proto-communist way of life.

TRIGGERED

Capitalism has a lot of paradoxes that are already making it unsustainable

I hope you die like the victims of American imperialism around the world do, slowly and silenty

They still followed a "leader" which means its not communism

Jesus was an anarchist. He had no communist leanings.

Hello comrades

>Capitalism has a lot of paradoxes that are already making it unsustainable
guess your gona revert to canibalism, like your primal state, since you can't afford normal food

>implying

>Jesus was an anarchist

Well, he actually wasn`t, apostols are true revolutionary vanguard party

You are like baby now

That cartoon is somewhat recent.

might wana read up a bit on the history of somalia there comrade

>imperialism =/= Capitalism

We want workers control not state control.

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It wasn't Lenin did the NEP and took the control from the workers.

Niggers ruin everything they touch, just look at Haity and Sout Africa

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>innocents)))

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Nope. Apostles greatly misinterpreted all of Jesus's teachings anyways. Jesus didn't care about Rome, he knew it was a blip in time and it's ultimate goal.

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Well yeah. Soviet style socialism is bad. We should learn from those failures and have a democracy and have the workers vote on how to run the company.

It's true, though. And it goes for all nations, not just commies.
If you compare the conditions of market economies to command economies it isn't even close. Markets make for better allocation of resources, and thereby higher standard of living.
The difference is far more stark than GDP would indicate.
It's not a matter of "opinion" as you so kindly put in my mouth, it's just a clear-cut and obvious flaw in the metric.

This is just a silly tautology. They're effectively the same thing, in virtually any example you can dredge up there's no difference.
"Worker control" still means command economy. You advocate command economy in some approach or another. Let's not waste time debating definitions.

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The gulag is calling you

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>Venezuela
>socialist

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if youre so bothered just put a filter on communist shit on this bord, then you dont have to see it again

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Nice argument

THE NAZI PARTY WAS TOTALLY SOCIALIST TOO BRAH!

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okay

Reminder to sage and not engage in all commie threads
sage sage sage

what's socialism to you snowflake?

I'm content saging and providing insight into the minds of the supporters of a particular ideology. I am contributing to the political discussion after all.

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I advocate a decentralized planned economy. Each town is its own commune. Factories in the towns produce according to need for the small town the workers vote on how to divide up the work and what to do and the local government which is direct democratic commands the economy. The towns trade with each other and the central state does nothing but make sure the towns don't absorb each other or kill each other. Minimalism totalitarianism.

Vai tomar no cu seu portuga de merda do caralho, vai pra Somália seu filho da puta ;-)