Does anybody else feel burned out by modern society? We’re moving further and further away from how people lived for hundreds of thousands of years and it all just feels so wrong to me. It’s like my primitive instincts are waking up and telling me to go live off the land somewhere. When I tell somebody my feelings they tell me I have this false utopian view of primitive living. They tell me people didn’t live nearly as long and didn’t have access to the things we have today, but this is exactly what I want to get away from. I honestly would rather live to be 40 being free than living to 80 in modern society.
Is primitivism the ultimate redpill?
Luke Kelly
In a way it is but it's too unrealistic unless you have the knowledge/skill/resources to move out into the wild
Being aware of you primitive roots but accepting civility is the real redpill
Christian Wood
Probably an escapist fantasy due to being low status in modern society
Sebastian Garcia
Would give anything to live in a tightly knit hunter-gatherer tribe where everyone knows each other and everybody has a clear role. I don't care if I'd die at 30, the life would be much more deeper, meaningful and fulfilling than any other kind of life I could live in a 80 year span in the modern society.
Jason Taylor
You just described all of Sup Forums
David Torres
I like the idea of some sort of far right neo pagan farming settlements. Provided we can use sprinklers send internet; but outright primitivism, no.
Nicholas Reyes
I reccomend you read "Industrial society and it's future". anarcho primitivists and anarcho communists are cucks,
Tribalism is good, even with agriculture
Ian Jenkins
The ultimate redpill is the Bogpill
Leo Diaz
How is tribalism different from primitivism?
David White
>millenial goes innawoods >dies
Camden Jackson
Primitivism solves a lot of problems outright.
Best option for the environment, therefore best option to sustain humanity in the long run. No more fat people. Abundance of healthy food. No more disabled and idle people draining resources. No more faggots. Men have to be men, women have to be women. No more whiny millennial types, you act or you die. No more mass immigration. Stds and other disease won't be spread as much.
Hunter gatherer societies that lived off the land and gave back what they didn't need were the pinnacle of human life. Everything after that was just a move toward greed, vanity, laziness/inconvenience, lust for power etc.
Nicholas Morales
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Kayden Walker
Euros mad they don't have any land left to go innawoods to
Easton Gray
Tribalism is about the social aspect and primitivism about the technological aspect of living. They don't have much to do with each other.
Joshua Stewart
Imagine being sat with your tribe high up on a rocky outcrop at night, massive bonfire in the middle of your group. People singing, telling tales, playing games. Venison and pork roasting over the fire, woman clad in furs sat in your lap, children and dogs nestled by your side.
All around you can survey the land you were tasked with tending to and defending. The land that shaped you and that you in turn shape.
Above you the heavens lit with more stars than you could imagine.
Luis Martin
avoiding the folowing > poisonous food >dying children from birth >disease >famine >drought >half of the normal lifespan >knowlege(this is what builds civilizations) >death of 7.4 billion people >etc
Oliver Fisher
Wow, its almost like humans didn't survive for tens of thousands of years without modern medicine.
Ryder Reyes
Honestly this. This is the only way of life I want my kids to know.
Angel Brooks
I live next to a forest.
Gavin Watson
This. You could recite and come up with mythical parables about the gods to share with your kids and theirs. Sure you'd probably die earlier, but you'd feel as though your life had meaning and you'd have something incredibly unique to reflect upon
Ethan Taylor
yeah when there were about 5-10 million or so people living on earth.
Kevin Williams
It's the ultimate redpill
Jackson Evans
>serb >complaining about removing
Aaron Phillips
Hnnngghh
Kevin Ward
Anyone who grew up in the countryside probably feels this way I guess. I can't stand the city, the noise, the people, it's so alienating, no wonder they are such epicenters of degeneracy.
Bentley White
I'm not saying it wouldn't be without its faults.
Its a massive shame how much knowledge we lost about nature, but its not like the majority of food these days isn't practically poisonous these days anyway. Mcdonalds, energry drinks etc
Children still die from birth these days, its probably easily argued that modern medicine is making us weaker overall, women used to crouch down and shit out a kid into the leaves and get on with it. How do you think we got to this point in the first place?
Disease still exists, in fact industry and living so closely made it worse. Have you heard of the plague? Why do you think tribes get sick when we come into contact with them?
Famine and drought aren't common place anymore sure, but I doubt they were really a problem when people lived off the land in small groups. England used to be 90% forest, there used to be an abundance of natural food.
Lifespan is arguable, tribal people live in to their 70s in some cases, desu though the last half of a modern humans life is wasted anyway. Don't fancy shitting my pants and losing all my teeth.
Knowledge is relative, you know what you need to. Don't think quantum physics helps you trap prey.
Death of the weak and useless. World is overpopulated anyway, a purge would be good so long as its not mainly white people.
Jason James
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Luis Rivera
kebab is good,no need for removal since we have no original food.
Daniel Morgan
Yes and you also have to forget how to read and write.
Zachary Fisher
And then people who pursue technological development steamroll your tribe with machine guns. Sounds sustainable.
Dylan Nelson
i live in the countryside.bosnjane is the name of the village.
Ethan Smith
this.
Ayden Hall
Because I wouldn't need to know how to read or write.
Asher Walker
Yeah and what does living in cramped spaces and overpopulation bring us? Lack of resources, disease, modern problems like depression and serial killers etc
Anyway the oceans are completely fucked up, bees and butterfly's are disappearing. Things are catching up too us.
Oliver Barnes
>half of the normal lifespan is it "normal" to die as a pants shitting 90 years old senile vegetable packed with medicines?
living up to 50-60 should be more than enough, and hunter gatherer lifespan is only artificially reduced by the high mortality rate in infancy
Lincoln Robinson
I've gotchu covered senpai
Logan Jenkins
Imagine being sat alone high up on a apartment at night, ThinkPad screen in the middle of your room. People banting, telling tales, playing games. Venison and tendies roasting over the fire, woman-pillow clad in furs sat in your lap, bottle of rum and Android nestled by your side.
All around you can survey the image board you were tasked with tending to and defending. The land that shaped you and that you in turn shape.
Above you the Internet lit with more memes than you could imagine.
Charles Wood
>Lack of resources no. >disease no. >modern problems like depression and serial killers depression existed ever since humans evolved serial killers aren't a big problem.
Camden Bailey
Kek
You know its a hollow existence, we all do, were living it now and we're all clearly broken inside,.
Brayden Watson
Still better than incest.
Brayden Morales
Classic Amerifat knowledge tier.
Robert Thomas
You sound like you need to get out and go camping or something. Take a survivalist course and maybe go on a retreat innawoods. Learn some practical outdoorsman skill and practice it.
Primitivism has good (physical and societal health) and bad (no medicine and short lifespan) to it. You can satisfy your inner caveman by making a veggie garden and getting out into nature.
I felt as you did. Now I'm grow much of my own veggies in my garden and i take 4x4 trips into the wilderness with some friends and do some bushcraft while we camp. I'm also considering making and teaching a course on survivalism and how to really enjoy, appreciate, and utilize nature.
So, no, primitivism isn't the ultimate redpill. You just need to adopt a new hobby so you don't turn into a hermit. Get off pol and get away from civilization once in a while. It's good for the soul of a man
Carson Morales
>depression existed ever since humans evolved It was extremely rare and situational. Some modern tribes don't even have a word for suicide.
Leo Diaz
I think sadness has always existed. Depression? Id like for you to substantiate that claim.
Bentley Murphy
Well, I like watching Primitive Technology on jewtube. Can't be bothered to actually do it myself though..
Evan Taylor
still better than having niggers roaming in your lands and raping your women(hunter gatherer groups from various parts of the world were extremely genetically differentiated before the advent of agriculture), we can point to respective faults all day here
Hudson Lee
Everytime I see them I wonder if they're von Habsburgs. Not any von Habibis tho. von Habsburgers ripped straight outta a political cartoon.
Landon Rogers
>It was extremely rare and situational. depression has always been rare >Some modern tribes don't even have a word for suicide. well the maya didn't have the concept of the apocalypse but people still went apeshit in 2012
Tyler Gomez
let's be serious, fur clad women would go for testosterone laden cavemen, not modern xenoestrogen-laden numales
Asher Lee
depression is a mental state,not an emotion.A person can experience depression in any part of the world.
Camden Cook
wow.you need to read what you typed.
Daniel Perry
>depression has always been rare
Before modern western civilization? Sure.
>well the maya didn't have the concept of the apocalypse but people still went apeshit in 2012
I don't see what this has to do with anything.
Samuel Hughes
There is clearly a lack of resources in a lot of western, modern countries. Take Britain for example, without imports we would all starve in a month. Also, think of the countries that suffer the worst of the modern world, the countries that are exploited and kept in poverty, do you think they appreciate the luxury of the west?
Disease became a much bigger problem when people started living so closely and shitting in the streets, sure hygiene is getting better but germs are getting more complex.
Depression gets you when you aren't distracted, no time for listlessness or boredom in a tribe. I'm pretty sure there were studies done into tribes that showed they generally have much higher rates of happiness overall, i'm going to look for it.
Nolan Anderson
>well the maya didn't have the concept of the apocalypse but people still went apeshit in 2012 The ancient Nahuatl religion was based on human sacrifice to avert the apocalypse
Connor Gray
not an argument
Nolan Ross
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Gabriel Cruz
>Before modern western civilization? Sure. correct.you are acting as if western civilization is negative. >I don't see what this has to do with anything. It doesn't.that was the point
Hudson Green
This is objectively the correct answer.
Xavier White
We had plenty of medicine back then, don't be ridiculous.
Do you think we discovered penicillin or more likely rediscovered it?
Again, we lived for tens of thousands of years without hospitals, man made drugs and intrusive surgeries.
Jonathan Gray
no.it was a gift for the gods.
Daniel James
Exactly, which is why our genetic lineage would improve, not weaken like it is now.
Jayden Martinez
In terms of human happiness and fulfillment, it certainly is. Civilization has achieved very little to improve mental well being of humans. I'd argue it has only impacted it negatively. Civilized humans are like subhumans both mentally and psychically compared to the humans living in the environment they evolved to live in. The further we've drifted away from our natural environment, the weaker and sicker we've become.
Almost all problems civilizations solve are caused by it in the first place.
Owen Fisher
But people died of disease.if you were to get an infection you will die.
Noah Perry
...So they didn't end the world
Nathaniel Perry
The end goal of all technological advancement is increasing the centralization of power and decreasing the autonomy and freedom of small, local communities and the individual, who has to function as a mindless cog in order for the massive, interconnected system to be efficient.
It's true that technology makes people safer and more secure, but that's basically only to bribe them into buying into the system. There are more important things in life than simply living as long and as comfortably as possible.
Men who avoid disease and arrive at old age having lived their entire lives providing for themselves with their own hard physical labor, and then having children, providing for them and teaching them to provide for themselves in the same way, connected to the land and their village, probably don't die with regrets. Men who live pointless lives playing video games and watching movies and working a job that doesn't really produce anything for themselves or require real effort do.
Ted was right about everything.
Connor Jones
>In terms of human happiness and fulfillment, it certainly is. if civilization is so negative,why don't you live in a tribe then?Finland has lot's of forests you know.
Eli Miller
lol
Liam Jones
Then go live in the woods you fucking retard. No one is stopping you.
Sebastian Barnes
there would be much less diseases as well though, since civilization and constant interaction with cattle has been a catalyst for the evolution of even more deadly diseases
in fact, thanks to modern civilization, we are reaching a point where we could run out of efficient antibiotics to contrast the super resistant strains of basic flu we have indirectly created
Liam Russell
It is, yeah. You'd be surprised how little you will care about all this bullshit if you turn off and drop out.
t. raised without TV
Nolan Thompson
The development of antibiotics and other antimicrobial therapies is arguably the greatest achievement of modern medicine. However, overuse and misuse of antimicrobial therapy predictably leads to resistance in microorganisms. Antibiotic-resistant bacteria such as methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), vancomycin-resistant Enterococcus species (VRE) and carbapenem-resistant Enterobacteriaceae (CRE) have emerged. Certain CRE species are resistant to multiple antibiotics, and have been deemed “superbugs” in the news.
Alternative therapies have been used to treat infections since antiquity, but none are as reliably safe and effective as modern antimicrobial therapy.
Unfortunately, due to increasing resistance and lack of development of new agents, the possibility of a return to the pre-antimicrobial era may become a reality.
Each year in the United States, at least two million people become infected with bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics, and at least 23,000 people die each year as a direct result of these infections.
There were actually plenty of herbal remedies to combat infection and many are still effectively used today.
Camden Garcia
And now you're finally getting to the subject of this thread. That's exactly what we're fantisizing about here.
Jace Stewart
Huh? That's the reason they committed the sacrifices, because they feared the gods would end them if they didn't. The period just before the Spanish arrived was a period of particular fear because of a comet which passed over
Carson Evans
Probably the same case with me. I'm just tired of dealing with annoying people, uncertain work possibilities and leftism trying to push their bullshit everywhere.
Joshua Carter
Regret means very little when you are in your deathbed. Regret causes suffering only when you have to live with it.
Hudson Robinson
Back then we gazed up at the stars in wonder, now our destiny is to live amongst them. Why go back to living in a forest when you can be a super-alpha space pirate with blue alien bitches?
Joshua Price
good post
Parker Long
>average intelligence of humanity increases overnight as all the idiots die off I could get behind this.
Julian Perry
case in point:Native Americans,no cattle but managed to die so easily.why is this?immunity.
Brayden Foster
nope.
Jose Myers
Read The Continuum Concept. It was a huge help to my parenting.
Dominic Campbell
nigger you do realize the viruses were brought by the "civilizing" invaders from Europe right? they certainly didn't die by themselves, they were well adapted to the kind of viruses present in the Americas
Jacob Sanders
trufax
You mean do an Alexander Supertramp and die alone? No thanks, its incredibly hard to live like that on your own. If there was free sustainable land available and a group of like minded, knowledgeable men AND women doing it, I would be down for sure.
Josiah Green
tribes are BAD.
Grayson Ortiz
It's easy to take primitivism once you've had your chldhood takan care of by modern medicine and technology.
Why not promote an anarcho socialist commune for future generations instead?
Adrian Stewart
My point is more that modern civilized life is about constantly chasing things that aren't really important, like superfluous physical possessions and travel and casual sex and social acceptance from people you'll never meet.
Primitive life is about living to another day and passing down your genes. Simple and satisfying.
Brody Gray
That's just your brain goop talking. Break the cycle. Focus on science.
Wyatt Wright
That for sure is a convincing and well argued statement faggot
Jaxson Turner
Dying of a tooth infection is possibly one of the worst ways to go. If the infection gets into the root before you know there's a problem there you can't just knock it out to fix it either.
Aaron Green
there were no american viruses because there was no american farm animals,if there were there would be only 10% of the old world population remaining.
Tyler Clark
Does that make it wrong?
Hudson Martin
>My children will only agree with my crazy ideas if I completely prevent them from knowing other ideas exist
Tyler Robinson
elaborate.
Brandon Phillips
Uh, yes, I could get behind that.
Chase Davis
There is not a fundamental difference in the two motives for action.
You just prefer one over the other. Because of your particular brain goop.
Juan Hernandez
the problem is that all intelligent people would die off also.
Gavin Long
We already live amongst them, we are made of them, travelling to a different planet would change nothing, we would still just be human.
Jaxon Sanchez
Check his flag. Pretty sure he knows the dark side of tribalism better than most anons.
Michael Williams
Wtf I love acting like niggers now
Hunter Scott
Primitivsm is no option to you anyway since a part of it is the society/group of people you are with. Since there are no large groups of people that still roam the wilds (atleast not any that would take you in) you can't live the primitive life anymore.
You can obviously choose the countryside hermit life if you want, but that is also hard and very lonely.
Or the bohemian drop out thing with others. But I suppose those people are not something you would be into.
At the end of the day it is your decision and responsibility to create your own happiness which is a lot easier said the done. But as long as you have some hope in your stomach and the strength to try and fight I will believe in you user.