Primitivism

Does anybody else feel burned out by modern society? We’re moving further and further away from how people lived for hundreds of thousands of years and it all just feels so wrong to me. It’s like my primitive instincts are waking up and telling me to go live off the land somewhere. When I tell somebody my feelings they tell me I have this false utopian view of primitive living. They tell me people didn’t live nearly as long and didn’t have access to the things we have today, but this is exactly what I want to get away from. I honestly would rather live to be 40 being free than living to 80 in modern society.

Is primitivism the ultimate redpill?

In a way it is but it's too unrealistic unless you have the knowledge/skill/resources to move out into the wild

Being aware of you primitive roots but accepting civility is the real redpill

Probably an escapist fantasy due to being low status in modern society

Would give anything to live in a tightly knit hunter-gatherer tribe where everyone knows each other and everybody has a clear role. I don't care if I'd die at 30, the life would be much more deeper, meaningful and fulfilling than any other kind of life I could live in a 80 year span in the modern society.

You just described all of Sup Forums

I like the idea of some sort of far right neo pagan farming settlements. Provided we can use sprinklers send internet; but outright primitivism, no.

I reccomend you read "Industrial society and it's future".
anarcho primitivists and anarcho communists are cucks,


Tribalism is good, even with agriculture

The ultimate redpill is the Bogpill

How is tribalism different from primitivism?

>millenial goes innawoods
>dies

Primitivism solves a lot of problems outright.

Best option for the environment, therefore best option to sustain humanity in the long run.
No more fat people.
Abundance of healthy food.
No more disabled and idle people draining resources.
No more faggots.
Men have to be men, women have to be women.
No more whiny millennial types, you act or you die.
No more mass immigration.
Stds and other disease won't be spread as much.

Hunter gatherer societies that lived off the land and gave back what they didn't need were the pinnacle of human life. Everything after that was just a move toward greed, vanity, laziness/inconvenience, lust for power etc.

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Euros mad they don't have any land left to go innawoods to

Tribalism is about the social aspect and primitivism about the technological aspect of living. They don't have much to do with each other.

Imagine being sat with your tribe high up on a rocky outcrop at night, massive bonfire in the middle of your group.
People singing, telling tales, playing games.
Venison and pork roasting over the fire, woman clad in furs sat in your lap, children and dogs nestled by your side.

All around you can survey the land you were tasked with tending to and defending. The land that shaped you and that you in turn shape.

Above you the heavens lit with more stars than you could imagine.

avoiding the folowing
> poisonous food
>dying children from birth
>disease
>famine
>drought
>half of the normal lifespan
>knowlege(this is what builds civilizations)
>death of 7.4 billion people
>etc

Wow, its almost like humans didn't survive for tens of thousands of years without modern medicine.

Honestly this. This is the only way of life I want my kids to know.

I live next to a forest.

This. You could recite and come up with mythical parables about the gods to share with your kids and theirs. Sure you'd probably die earlier, but you'd feel as though your life had meaning and you'd have something incredibly unique to reflect upon

yeah when there were about 5-10 million or so people living on earth.

It's the ultimate redpill

>serb
>complaining about removing

Hnnngghh

Anyone who grew up in the countryside probably feels this way I guess. I can't stand the city, the noise, the people, it's so alienating, no wonder they are such epicenters of degeneracy.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be without its faults.

Its a massive shame how much knowledge we lost about nature, but its not like the majority of food these days isn't practically poisonous these days anyway. Mcdonalds, energry drinks etc

Children still die from birth these days, its probably easily argued that modern medicine is making us weaker overall, women used to crouch down and shit out a kid into the leaves and get on with it. How do you think we got to this point in the first place?

Disease still exists, in fact industry and living so closely made it worse. Have you heard of the plague? Why do you think tribes get sick when we come into contact with them?

Famine and drought aren't common place anymore sure, but I doubt they were really a problem when people lived off the land in small groups. England used to be 90% forest, there used to be an abundance of natural food.

Lifespan is arguable, tribal people live in to their 70s in some cases, desu though the last half of a modern humans life is wasted anyway. Don't fancy shitting my pants and losing all my teeth.

Knowledge is relative, you know what you need to. Don't think quantum physics helps you trap prey.

Death of the weak and useless. World is overpopulated anyway, a purge would be good so long as its not mainly white people.

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kebab is good,no need for removal since we have no original food.

Yes and you also have to forget how to read and write.

And then people who pursue technological development steamroll your tribe with machine guns. Sounds sustainable.

i live in the countryside.bosnjane is the name of the village.

this.

Because I wouldn't need to know how to read or write.

Yeah and what does living in cramped spaces and overpopulation bring us?
Lack of resources, disease, modern problems like depression and serial killers etc

Anyway the oceans are completely fucked up, bees and butterfly's are disappearing. Things are catching up too us.

>half of the normal lifespan
is it "normal" to die as a pants shitting 90 years old senile vegetable packed with medicines?

living up to 50-60 should be more than enough, and hunter gatherer lifespan is only artificially reduced by the high mortality rate in infancy

I've gotchu covered senpai

Imagine being sat alone high up on a apartment at night, ThinkPad screen in the middle of your room.
People banting, telling tales, playing games.
Venison and tendies roasting over the fire, woman-pillow clad in furs sat in your lap, bottle of rum and Android nestled by your side.

All around you can survey the image board you were tasked with tending to and defending. The land that shaped you and that you in turn shape.

Above you the Internet lit with more memes than you could imagine.

>Lack of resources
no.
>disease
no.
>modern problems like depression and serial killers
depression existed ever since humans evolved
serial killers aren't a big problem.

Kek

You know its a hollow existence, we all do, were living it now and we're all clearly broken inside,.

Still better than incest.

Classic Amerifat knowledge tier.

You sound like you need to get out and go camping or something. Take a survivalist course and maybe go on a retreat innawoods. Learn some practical outdoorsman skill and practice it.

Primitivism has good (physical and societal health) and bad (no medicine and short lifespan) to it. You can satisfy your inner caveman by making a veggie garden and getting out into nature.

I felt as you did. Now I'm grow much of my own veggies in my garden and i take 4x4 trips into the wilderness with some friends and do some bushcraft while we camp. I'm also considering making and teaching a course on survivalism and how to really enjoy, appreciate, and utilize nature.

So, no, primitivism isn't the ultimate redpill. You just need to adopt a new hobby so you don't turn into a hermit. Get off pol and get away from civilization once in a while. It's good for the soul of a man

>depression existed ever since humans evolved
It was extremely rare and situational. Some modern tribes don't even have a word for suicide.

I think sadness has always existed. Depression? Id like for you to substantiate that claim.

Well, I like watching Primitive Technology on jewtube. Can't be bothered to actually do it myself though..

still better than having niggers roaming in your lands and raping your women(hunter gatherer groups from various parts of the world were extremely genetically differentiated before the advent of agriculture), we can point to respective faults all day here

Everytime I see them I wonder if they're von Habsburgs. Not any von Habibis tho. von Habsburgers ripped straight outta a political cartoon.

>It was extremely rare and situational.
depression has always been rare
>Some modern tribes don't even have a word for suicide.
well the maya didn't have the concept of the apocalypse but people still went apeshit in 2012

let's be serious, fur clad women would go for testosterone laden cavemen, not modern xenoestrogen-laden numales

depression is a mental state,not an emotion.A person can experience depression in any part of the world.

wow.you need to read what you typed.

>depression has always been rare

Before modern western civilization? Sure.

>well the maya didn't have the concept of the apocalypse but people still went apeshit in 2012

I don't see what this has to do with anything.

There is clearly a lack of resources in a lot of western, modern countries.
Take Britain for example, without imports we would all starve in a month.
Also, think of the countries that suffer the worst of the modern world, the countries that are exploited and kept in poverty, do you think they appreciate the luxury of the west?

Disease became a much bigger problem when people started living so closely and shitting in the streets, sure hygiene is getting better but germs are getting more complex.

Depression gets you when you aren't distracted, no time for listlessness or boredom in a tribe. I'm pretty sure there were studies done into tribes that showed they generally have much higher rates of happiness overall, i'm going to look for it.

>well the maya didn't have the concept of the apocalypse but people still went apeshit in 2012
The ancient Nahuatl religion was based on human sacrifice to avert the apocalypse

not an argument

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>Before modern western civilization? Sure.
correct.you are acting as if western civilization is negative.
>I don't see what this has to do with anything.
It doesn't.that was the point

This is objectively the correct answer.

We had plenty of medicine back then, don't be ridiculous.

Do you think we discovered penicillin or more likely rediscovered it?

Again, we lived for tens of thousands of years without hospitals, man made drugs and intrusive surgeries.

no.it was a gift for the gods.

Exactly, which is why our genetic lineage would improve, not weaken like it is now.

In terms of human happiness and fulfillment, it certainly is. Civilization has achieved very little to improve mental well being of humans. I'd argue it has only impacted it negatively. Civilized humans are like subhumans both mentally and psychically compared to the humans living in the environment they evolved to live in. The further we've drifted away from our natural environment, the weaker and sicker we've become.

Almost all problems civilizations solve are caused by it in the first place.

But people died of disease.if you were to get an infection you will die.

...So they didn't end the world

The end goal of all technological advancement is increasing the centralization of power and decreasing the autonomy and freedom of small, local communities and the individual, who has to function as a mindless cog in order for the massive, interconnected system to be efficient.

It's true that technology makes people safer and more secure, but that's basically only to bribe them into buying into the system. There are more important things in life than simply living as long and as comfortably as possible.

Men who avoid disease and arrive at old age having lived their entire lives providing for themselves with their own hard physical labor, and then having children, providing for them and teaching them to provide for themselves in the same way, connected to the land and their village, probably don't die with regrets. Men who live pointless lives playing video games and watching movies and working a job that doesn't really produce anything for themselves or require real effort do.

Ted was right about everything.

>In terms of human happiness and fulfillment, it certainly is.
if civilization is so negative,why don't you live in a tribe then?Finland has lot's of forests you know.

lol

Then go live in the woods you fucking retard. No one is stopping you.

there would be much less diseases as well though, since civilization and constant interaction with cattle has been a catalyst for the evolution of even more deadly diseases

in fact, thanks to modern civilization, we are reaching a point where we could run out of efficient antibiotics to contrast the super resistant strains of basic flu we have indirectly created

It is, yeah.
You'd be surprised how little you will care about all this bullshit if you turn off and drop out.

t. raised without TV

The development of antibiotics and other antimicrobial therapies is arguably the greatest achievement of modern medicine. However, overuse and misuse of antimicrobial therapy predictably leads to resistance in microorganisms. Antibiotic-resistant bacteria such as methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), vancomycin-resistant Enterococcus species (VRE) and carbapenem-resistant Enterobacteriaceae (CRE) have emerged. Certain CRE species are resistant to multiple antibiotics, and have been deemed “superbugs” in the news.

Alternative therapies have been used to treat infections since antiquity, but none are as reliably safe and effective as modern antimicrobial therapy.

Unfortunately, due to increasing resistance and lack of development of new agents, the possibility of a return to the pre-antimicrobial era may become a reality.

Each year in the United States, at least two million people become infected with bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics, and at least 23,000 people die each year as a direct result of these infections.


There were actually plenty of herbal remedies to combat infection and many are still effectively used today.

And now you're finally getting to the subject of this thread. That's exactly what we're fantisizing about here.

Huh? That's the reason they committed the sacrifices, because they feared the gods would end them if they didn't. The period just before the Spanish arrived was a period of particular fear because of a comet which passed over

Probably the same case with me.
I'm just tired of dealing with annoying people, uncertain work possibilities and leftism trying to push their bullshit everywhere.

Regret means very little when you are in your deathbed. Regret causes suffering only when you have to live with it.

Back then we gazed up at the stars in wonder, now our destiny is to live amongst them. Why go back to living in a forest when you can be a super-alpha space pirate with blue alien bitches?

good post

>average intelligence of humanity increases overnight as all the idiots die off
I could get behind this.

case in point:Native Americans,no cattle but managed to die so easily.why is this?immunity.

nope.

Read The Continuum Concept.
It was a huge help to my parenting.

nigger you do realize the viruses were brought by the "civilizing" invaders from Europe right? they certainly didn't die by themselves, they were well adapted to the kind of viruses present in the Americas

trufax

You mean do an Alexander Supertramp and die alone? No thanks, its incredibly hard to live like that on your own. If there was free sustainable land available and a group of like minded, knowledgeable men AND women doing it, I would be down for sure.

tribes are BAD.

It's easy to take primitivism once you've had your chldhood takan care of by modern medicine and technology.

Why not promote an anarcho socialist commune for future generations instead?

My point is more that modern civilized life is about constantly chasing things that aren't really important, like superfluous physical possessions and travel and casual sex and social acceptance from people you'll never meet.

Primitive life is about living to another day and passing down your genes. Simple and satisfying.

That's just your brain goop talking. Break the cycle. Focus on science.

That for sure is a convincing and well argued statement faggot

Dying of a tooth infection is possibly one of the worst ways to go. If the infection gets into the root before you know there's a problem there you can't just knock it out to fix it either.

there were no american viruses because there was no american farm animals,if there were there would be only 10% of the old world population remaining.

Does that make it wrong?

>My children will only agree with my crazy ideas if I completely prevent them from knowing other ideas exist

elaborate.

Uh, yes, I could get behind that.

There is not a fundamental difference in the two motives for action.

You just prefer one over the other. Because of your particular brain goop.

the problem is that all intelligent people would die off also.

We already live amongst them, we are made of them, travelling to a different planet would change nothing, we would still just be human.

Check his flag. Pretty sure he knows the dark side of tribalism better than most anons.

Wtf I love acting like niggers now

Primitivsm is no option to you anyway since a part of it is the society/group of people you are with. Since there are no large groups of people that still roam the wilds (atleast not any that would take you in) you can't live the primitive life anymore.

You can obviously choose the countryside hermit life if you want, but that is also hard and very lonely.

Or the bohemian drop out thing with others. But I suppose those people are not something you would be into.

At the end of the day it is your decision and responsibility to create your own happiness which is a lot easier said the done. But as long as you have some hope in your stomach and the strength to try and fight I will believe in you user.

Wish you well.