Free Speech in Germany

Hey there German bros. Can you redpill me on your freedom of speech/expression laws? What speech crosses the line and what mediums does it apply to like online, workplace, in the home, between friends, in public? Is everything based on Criminal Code Section 130 or is there other legislation that can get you in trouble?

Are you warned then arrested, fined and do it again you're sent to jail?

I know I asked a lot but may I get a rundown on how it works, what gets you in trouble and the ramifications (socially and personally)... Danke bros

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You are arrested if you even mention "Hitler did nothing wrong" to a Jew. Most people are self righteously anti racism even if there are girls being raped in their home town. Much like Sweden, refugee crime is squelched in the German media.

My brother in law is German and he lurks here in shame. He hates talking about the sad state of affairs Germany is in.

insulting people can get you in trouble.

You will only ever hear non-Germans talk shit about German speech laws.

The only single thing that could get you in trouble is Holocaust denial.

Other than that? We have a whole party that criticizes our practice of remembering the Holocaust in regional Parliaments.

I saw people shouting at refugees "nigger" in the middle of a street - nothing.

You can walk around with s "Merkel must go" sign, or a "Rapefugees not welcome" sign or whatever you want.

If this is the case, then what went down back in July or June last year where the BKA raided people's homes that had posted stuff on facebook? I've tried researching this topic and I can't find anything definitive. I'm so lost.

Yea what was that about?

It splits in to fields:

Hard laws and soft repercussions

Hard laws are that you can't deny/doubt anything to holocaust, can't insult officials or chant stuff against certain groups and institutions

Soft repercussions are that you get the a social stigma, if you a famous a "bad" comment will cost you your carrer.
Tweets and facebook shit may stop people from hiring you, even fire you if they are personally insulting.
Everyone will have to disagree with you and distance themselves from you to not be branded aswell.

It can go from a fine to years of prison.
You will registered by Stasi 2.0

You can only talk freely with very close friends

contradicting to:
insulting people personally or throwing around racist insults will get you in trouble.

It all varies very much.
Insult as p 185-187 will b up to a year

p 130 of course

p189 2 years

p86 bans racist and other symbols (prison and/or fine)

p111 is if you incite to violence

p 200-250 is threatening and shit

Insulting people publicly depends on the kind of insult you shove down their throats.
If you phrase it sardonically you'll end up without any hassle.

If you insult someone verbally he's got to provide material or show up with credible witnesses. If he does not, into the bin it goes.

If you are such a sperglord to write hatemail to people, good god you're beyond redemption.

germany doesnt have free speech

can you guys get vanned for shitposting on Sup Forums about jews, the holocaust, or rapefugees? does your government lurk?

ofcourse everything applies to the internet aswell
and there a lot things planned or implemented right now that i didnt implement

"illegal opinion" is not a meme

don't know about the law, but here you can get away with lots of things with enough blood alcohol
or at least, I have had several friends hailing at festivals with police right next to them, and besides the meaningful look or the occasional "tone it down", nothing
of course, this could be contributed to that happening on the countryside

Could I walk up to someone and call them a motherfucker? or fucking Jew...or fucking Muslim...or You Muslims really piss me off...

When you get in trouble, do the police come and arrest you or give you a ticket that says come to court on such and such a date and then you'll end up paying fines?

They have hate speech laws.
Meaning they don't have protected political speech and thus do not have free speech.

This should be fucking obvious

yes and no
luckily they focus on facebook and shit
but you can get into trouble
atleast get under surveilance

but Sup Forums should be fine since everything on this page is satire

maybe
but govt is already overwhelmed by vanning facebook people posting with their real name and address.

It's not much better in Canada.

if there are witnesses you face consequences if they press charges

It's saddening to hear the state of your country.

At least you'll have Muslims to take care of you when you're 85 years old. They will treat you nicely

Yeah German bros, tell us about immigration process and welfare thx

you should not deny the holocaust when you are doing a speech for a famous party. the party doesnt like you anymore then.

that sums it up.

Don't get me started...

Yup, would be charged with §130 StGB (german criminal code).
Uploading nazi memorabilia or texts, thesis or songs of the Third Reich earns a fellow citizen § 86.

>under surveillance

DDR dies hard eh alter

this is what i assumed, i was shitposting prolifically when i was in germany and halfway through i realized half of my posts had probably violated the Volksverhetzung act. i was half expecting to get vanned by gestapo at the border, then i remembered germany has no border.

There's no free speech anywhere in Europe. We have the same shitty hate speech laws as the rest of EU.
There's been a few minor cases, the biggest one for burning a puppet depicting Soros (that looked like a Jew), dude got 10 month jail, although the verdict isn't final yet: newsweek.pl/polska/10-miesiecy-wiezienia-za-spalenie-kukly-zyda,artykuly,400575,1.html

our constitution gives us just way more rights which are in conflict with free speech.

>DDR dies hard eh alter
they would be so fucking jealous

Could I be arrested/charged for telling someone that they were ugly?

do they actually monitor threads and backtrace ips over naziposting? what qualifies as nazi memorabilia? does this?

the other day I saw that in Germany the police arrested a group of "neo-nazis", supposedly recovered weapons and explosives, footage showed police carrying computers

I guess they arrested some Sup Forumslacks

they are expanding the laws
not sure if it passed yet but yes

heavily depends on the case
what you say and in which manner
A "you are ugly" alone won't get much attention
A "everyone! look at this ugly bitch!" gets you in coflict with various laws

Just claim you're a transwelcoming kemalist Kurd, who has served in the Armed Forces and is ubergay. When an immigration officer asks you for the reason to come here answer with the following:
'Claudia Roth is my spirit animal and I intend to vote for the Green Party after naturalization'
Whilst processing your papers, ask specifically for the free driver's licence course, which will be provided for you in turkish.
That should save you at least 1800€ the taxpayer will fork up for you.
Also proclaim your clear willingness to read Can Dündar's newspaper, who is in the presses here since this week. He's the current intellectuals' delight.

Also never try to integrate, as that would be the heinous crime of cultural eradication.

You're welcome senpai.

>I guess they arrested some Sup Forumslacks
unlikely

But you can get fucked for simply having a few pdf files on your pc

>do they actually monitor threads and backtrace ips over naziposting?

probably not... it would be just a huge amount of work.

Quick rundown
>Hate speech laws criminalizing "tought crime" rule the legal landscape with an iron but fair fist
>In contact with Nazis
>Romored to have psychic abilities to prevent nazis from expressing their thoughts
>The Priest of the Cult of Leftism bow to them
>People get arrested for anti-refugee posts on Facebook because of "hate" Wich is a legal terms under criminal code known as "Hetze"
>Months ago the BKA (German FBI)did nationwide raids against those "exploiting social media o spread hate" with hundreds of arrests
>Merkel gets together with Zuckerberg to censor "hate" I.e populist dissent against their nations destruction
>Germcucks will tell you all is all right , it's all just fake news and we aren't totally living in ina a Orwellian hellhole

gatestoneinstitute.org/9822/germany-ministry-of-truth

New BND laws, Vorratsdatenspeicherung, einzelpersonen überwachung
Netzwerküberwachung
KriPo, Verfassungsschutz

>freedom of speech/expression laws
No such thing. Say the holocaust is a lie and you'll end up in jail. We have no freedom of speech, (((they))) have freedom of censorship.

kek

Thank you German bros. Keep it coming if you have more info.

really fucking funny... yeah

tending your racist memes on a chinese anime board does not fall under anything you listed...

>Holohoax didn't happen xd
Illegal
>Who gives a shit the jews deserved it anyway
Illegal
>There are worse things than the holocaust
Gray Zone
>The numbers of the holocaust were greatly inflated
Depends on the case
>making a nazi salute or wearing nazi symbols in public
Illegal
>insulting someone or showing them the middle finger
Illegal
>adressing people with the inpolite "Du" instead of "Sie"
Depends on the case
>Kill all jews/niggers/whiteys....
Illegals
>talking shit about a group of people but not calling for/inciting violence against them
Legal

>pdf files
>portable document file files

That's a tricky question. Usually the German Police is quite slowish with technical innovations.
For example the processing of scammers ends the moment they use a VPN connection. As at least the local police is basically shoving their most incompetent officers to the IT department of a station. That keeps the guy from the streets.

And this would not, as the idea of a woman with a Ritterkreuz is so laughable that even a judge would chuckle wholeheartedly.

To be serious though, it's a broad range.
Propaganda posters, excerpts from the Eher Verlag, contemporary 'science' of the SS-Ahnenerbe, SS-Rasse- und Siedlungshauptamt without context, NSDAP and SS song lyrics, neo-nazi literature and songs. We actually have a whole convolute of forbidden signs, symbols literature and bands, which are blacklisted.

unless it contains phrases and symbols o0

.pdf files
you happy now?

The German internet police might be amongst the worst. Unless you post stuff on faceberg with your real name attached, they won't do anything.

is this song banned? because it is fucking god tier.

youtube.com/watch?v=J0p-egT5vek

In case you are curious, this video connects all the missing dots about Hitler, this may be the most important video you ever watch, a must see for true Sup Forums users.
youtu.be/7XExjrZxTdk
(ALT)
m.liveleak.com/view?i=eaf_1382262528

>banned in germany
who would have guessed?

so, if you have mein kampf in .epub they wont arrest you for it?

yeah no
just don't post such stuff on german sites or websites working together with german authorities without a proxy or VPN.

>The only single thing that could get you in trouble is Holocaust denial.
I see, so you don't have freedom of speech then? How pathetic.

>>The only single thing that could get you in trouble is Holocaust denial.

There is no such thing as the 1st amendment in Europe

You can go to jail for saying offensive shit

german bro, here too, but you don't need a proxy to circumvent that

>get mpv
>get browser add-on "open with"
>add mpv with arguments: --ytdl --input-ipc-server=\\.\pipe\mpvsocket
>select "display in context menu"
now whenever there's a blocked video just right click and open with mpv

I'm not a native, but what I have gathered from the people is that you have to tread extremely carefully when you approach political subjects and test your ground with them step by step, if you want to get into it. They often assume that you're a leftie, anything else would be insane. Being a foreigner I have the privilege of not being called a Nazi immidietly, even though I have been in which I have the other privilege of "oy vey muh askhenazi blood you literally shoahd me". But they won't bother talking about politics if they can, it's not worth the trouble. Also, DON'T EVER TRY TO REDPILL THEM ON THE JEWS.

No, that would be perfectly legal, as it is a song dating back to the Weimar Republic, which as later adopted by the SS. Curiously enough it still found its way to the NVA (Commie Germany's red army) and was covered by Germany's Schlagerdarling Heino.
That song's perfectly fine.

thank you, I will try that

forgot pic
should look something like this

>German user circumventing German laws.
> Picking the one country that has renamed exactly the same set of laws.

Do you even Wiederbetätigungsgesetz Hans?

yeah, it's really strange that our govs think the moment we get a glimpse of our own history we start an actual holocaust
:^)

Care to explain where you are from?

Germans always try to flatter most foreigner's if they are from an 'exotic' country. Read as, anything not MENA/not WASP. Your their token exotic friend, bonus points if you can not select interior wall as skinpattern.
Basically antisemitism is dead in Germany and frowned upon. Modern leftists are quite antizionist but that's about it.
Funnily enough they don't speak out against muslim antisemitism and denigrate it's existence. When their mouthpuppets are to crass, it's justified by muh Palestine.

We Krauts are the eternal evil that needs to be censored and opressed, giving all our authority to people we didnt elect to prevent so we dont kill six million again
It is in our blood
There is the human race and there are the Krauts, which alone are to blame for every shitty thing ever to happen

Are movies with depictions of Hitler and related Nazi symbols ok? Like, assuming you've heard of it, the movie, American History X.

they are fine as long as nazis aren't glorified. swastikas and other nazi symbols in videogames are banned.

is the man in the high castle allowed? I quite enjoyed that show

Hmm...

That's a stretch but satire aside.
There is hardly a country with such a focus on a peculiar short time of her history.
If you are really willing to educate yourself there's a multitude of publications and research projects. Most include primary and secondary sources in their indices.

A thing that deeply worries me is the cult of ignorance this generation has cast on itself.
Hardly anybody on the streets is able anymore to hold a political thought without crying fascism, communism or globalization.
It has come to a rapid and useful infantilization of arguments and feelings.

Prechewed learning, prechewed editorials and microwave ideologies.

>is the man in the high castle allowed?
Yes, that series is essentially anti natsoc propaganda.

yes it is. you can watch it on amazon. """"news"""" channels like ntv or n24 broadcast ww2 documentaries all night long. lots of swastikas. the depiction of the hakenkreuz is allowed as long as it is used for educational purposes. don't exactly know how it's handled in movies. usually only video games get censored.

Dutchbro here. Banned here as well.

We could technically but as others mentioned it isn't worth it for the government because they are already caring enough for the people on facebook. Some of us might get monitored but that's it.

Yes, the arts (of which video entertainments are non according to our supreme court) are free in their depiction. Nonetheless cheering genoicide or instigating violence against minorities of all facetts,e.g. actively fostering a movie akin to Birth of a Nation would not fly in Germany, because §130.

Direct quote from § 86
Dissemination of propaganda material of unconstitutional organisations
(3) Subsection (1) above shall not apply if the propaganda materials or the act is meant to serve civil education, to avert unconstitutional movements, to promote art or science, research or teaching, the reporting about current or historical events or similar purposes.

Remember: if you want to know who controls you, only ask who or what you're not allowed to criticise.

Apparently I'm not allowed to critized Supreme Leader Erdogan but I still don't believe that Papa Roach is my mentor.

So that quote might not be the silverbullet you think it is.

It was never meant to prevent you from criticizing Turkroach Prime. Did it not backfire when that comedian took one for the ream? It was to prevent you from criticizing (((them))).

I have to say the matter might be a bit more complicated than that but it is something worth thinking over

>The only single thing that could get you in trouble is Holocaust denial.

haha, no. you have no idea.

tb.h, I hate those who deny me information and curse everything national socialism did as much as those who worship Hitler.
He might've been a great leader at the time of need when he united the country, because everything was fucked after WWI (especially what France did to you guys), but he definitively wasn't a good military leader.
Pretty much everyone in the army who had great achievements weren't there because they hated jews or the party when they were asked, but rather because they wanted to do it for their country.
but now they're in the same bin as those who did experiments on or killed "unwanted".

And the thing that makes me quite sad is that while everything natsoc is evil, everything allies is good. Churchill was probably one of the most sick fucks beside Stalin, but oh the world consent is that if at all they might have had minor flaws, but at least they were not Hitler.

you can't review the past when the truth is deemed inappropriate.
I'm not saying "the holocaust didn't happen" or "Hitler did nothing wrong", but since the natsoc party got disbanded, at least stop with your bullshit propaganda is all I want

what's the consensus of fellow krauts, is it safe to post on here? of course i avoid 'that one particular thing that totally happened', but aside from that... is it safe to drop the ocassional red pill?

not too keen on having my home raided just for posting the adl-condemned pepe.

I dunno man. lots of stuff here is clearly over the line. even just using stuff like kike, nigger, spic etc casually is a problem.

but saying that all kikes/arabs/niggers must be gassed is probably enough to get you in actual trouble if anyone from the BKA ever got bored enough to find out who is behind that shitpost

why not? i always state the holocaust happened but probably not exactly how it's been portrayed for decades. don't deny it i just question it.

in reality it all depends on the Judge and his interpretation of the written law.