Are Liberals here real?

Are there actually Liberals/socialists/commies on this board or is it all shills or LARPing or something?They're not real right? I've never read a single actual argument written by one beyond "drumbf is Hitler hahaha!!". Is it just that half of reddit spends it's time shitposting here?

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Liberal here, I'm mostly just a lurker. Some may be shitposting while others may be actual liberals.

Yes.
They heard Sup Forums is "the place of le ebil alt right, hackers on steroids and misogynists" and come here to be annoying and instead have their heads put in a deep fryer red pilling so they fuck off again because expressing outrage for hearing the n-word isn't an argument.

It's not actually possible to be a liberal on Sup Forums. Only one who is in the process of becoming not a liberal.

I went to vote for Trump in a blue Texas county and have to tell them which side I'm going for in the primaries and the girl behind the desk huffed when she heard I was voting Republican. Lol

I think a lot of the real ones lurk.

The shittrolling ones wouldn't be liberals by any reasonable definition.

Hard to say.

This. I just lurk for the laughs (some of the conversations end up being fairly funny)

Yes, I'm relatively liberal, but what would be the point in trying to argue here? Even if you tried to make a decent point here you'd get shot down. So I just lurk.

>Everything posted here is a work of fiction

It's mostly satire, like life itself

I'm a liberal in the classical sense which basically means I'm a modern conservative but not a faggot braindead Republican or corporate Tory shill.

But why not make a point that wouldn't get shot down?

I don't really care for either side myself. Pretty much unless you're schlepping for some bullshit like the Jews there must be some merit.

I'm a commie desu.

you forgot that many people stayed liberal while the definition of liberal moved left

no doubt there are libs here but absolute trash tier b8 threads result in 500 replies 100% of the time

Sup Forums is so easily baited its actually disturbing, so I'd rather everyone just assume it's b8 and believethat liberals don't exist on Sup Forums

I'm not sure what exactly do you mean by "liberal", but I consider myself "open to new ideas, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others", which is one of multiples definitions of that word, so let's say, yes, I am a liberal, and I am here, and I am real. Is there anything else you wanna know?

Interesting stuff. So it would seem that all the real liberals mostly lurk

By shot down I imagine he means 7 (You)s with either pepe memes or a picture of one of those knife surrender bins accompanied by >britcucks >freedom

oy vey that sounds terrible

I'd never use the internet again after that

they might have literally installed an internet knife into my computer!

I don't know what your point is.

I guess why are you here of all places?.
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There are clearly dozens of (((Buzzfeed))) and (((Huffpoo))) type bottomfeeders on here. There are also lots of spies who post the best of shitlords on plebbit for their echo chamber to laugh at. Either way, none of them could stand a chance debating the people here so they just make Drumpf posts.

That's the thing about Sup Forums and user posting in general though. If your argument has merit and can stand up to scrutiny, people will respect it. Who knows you might even change some minds!

When I LARP it's as a NatSoc.
t. post-Marxist

I'm usually critical of Trump so I get labelled liberal, though I'm neither left-wing nor right-wing. And I'm no centrist or extremist either.

I think all these political orientations are dead, we don't have a political paradigm anymore. Politics is just a reality show now, meant to stir up and fish for political emotion.

Yes.

If you're still by Trump at this point, you are a literal fucking delusional retard.

You may actually be right, but it doesn't seem that way during the discussion in most cases. Typically, it seems to anger the person you're talking with to double down. That's just my experience as a Sup Forums user for 7 years or so.

I am liberal leaning, so I suppose I count. I mostly lurk the same reason as this guy. You can make try to make an argument or form an opinion but then get 10 posters making memes. Is like trying to talk to a guy in real life and all you hear is "you mad bro"?

So I just lurk.

So, in other words, your argument sucks?

desu, I'm liberal as hell, but this board is fun to lurk on

yes, we're intelligent enough to realize Sup Forums is just a shitposting board

I realized sometime ago that it is pretty impossible to change the other person's mind no matter how valid your argument is. It is just how the internet works and I respect the rule, there really isn't that much to it. If I do post anything these days, is not to argue with the other person, but rather hopefully speak to the lurkers who are a bit tired of the memes too.

Oh they're real, it's just inter-board banter really. We shitpost on /leftypol/ sometimes and they the return the kindness all the same. Then there's the libtards and democucks from other boards, or normies who come here to "bants" (some which eventually get redpilled in the process if they stick around too long).

I don't actually mind /leftypol/ coming here and then, if anything it can be quite informative in a lot of ways depending on how those threads go - at big traffic hours they get btfo with memes, during the quieter hours there is actually room for a decent conversation.

Sup Forums is a board of peace.

The longer they stay the less liberal they will become.

Not necessarily, while that is a possibility that I'm willing to admit. Rather, it's as if the person seems "triggered" (lack of a better word) that your point seems valid and tries to continue with their argument looking for any type of confirmation bias. Liberals do that shit too, so it's not a trait/slight pointed towards one direction.

A new batch of liberals to convert arrived, thanks to Buzzfeed, Vice, CNN and reddit.

I'm a liberal of the not regressive variety. Those posts are made by Sup Forums to piss you off, incite you into action, jokes, irony, or for a (you).

You're beginning to understand how counterintelligence works.

What's the point of lurking a right wing dominated board? Out of curiosity

I've actually gotten more liberal as the time has passed.

Don't be so sure, I'm a bit like although I dunno how far left or liberal this user is. Personally I would fall under the category of what Sup Forums would call a CIVIKEK, so I generally don't tend to bring up those values in 99% threads since I'm gonna get flamed no matter what and juggling a dozen posters throwing memes and strawmen at you is tiring. There is still plenty of other stuff I agree on with the rest of Sup Forums so I just participate in those.

Shills and larps and then some quiet bernie bros like myself

>I guess why are you here of all places?.

>closest thing to old Sup Forums
>fun
>feel at home here in a way, even if we don't agree politically
don't need an echo chamber to have fun, just don't push your ideas and post neutral stuff and it's all good

I've been here for 4 years

Liberal here. 80% lurker, 10% LARPER, 10% trigger people with leafposts.

>and juggling a dozen posters throwing memes and strawmen at you is tiring
Sorry, this is a /high energy/ USENET group

To be honest, Pol wasn't always this way. I just enjoy the memes to be honest. Plus, I don't like echo chambers, and enjoy reading up on others thoughts and opinions who differ from my views. I share maybe one or two interests with the average modern Pol user (Islam and black crime rate).

No he has a point, you can't have an argument if neither side respects the other and aren't willing to budge on their views. This is a problem with Sup Forums in general, nobody ever admits they're wrong they just double down and shitpost or the classic "I was just pretending to be retarded!".

HOW DO WE STOP THE MEDIA HOW THE FUCK DO YOU STOP IT??????

THAT'S RIGHT YOU FUCKING CAN'T BECAUSE THEY HAVE EVERY GOD DAMN PERSON WHO MATTERS EATING OUT OF THEIR HANDS

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Nobody is stopping an argument.

It's basically people complaining that they can't have an argument.

Of course people will rarely ever admit they were wrong, that doesn't mean it's impossible to sway a person's opinion though.

>THAT'S RIGHT YOU FUCKING CAN'T
Then why did Trump win?

I'm not saying you can't have an argument but if nothing you say can possibly convince the other person then what is the point? Come on we've all seen these kinds of arguments here before, where neither side is willing to budge and it gets extremely pedantic
>"Well can you PROVE the sky is this exact shade of blue faggot??"
Likewise if you aren't willing to accept you might be wrong you're a part of the problem too.

Kek that's true. But as I said I usually don't bother unless I feel like there's at least gonna be an user who's actually trying to have a conversation, then I'll give it a shot. I don't mind being proven wrong on false assumptions I might have had, sometimes it's the best way to learn about the ideology you feel resonates the most with you.

>closest thing to old Sup Forums
>fun
>feel at home here in a way, even if we don't agree politically
also this

Do you need a recovery lesson in Yuri?
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>I guess why are you here of all places?.
Well, I've been here (as in Sup Forums) for a long time, 11 years to be precise. I have been here (in /new/ and then Sup Forums) because I've always enjoyed some political discussions: this place used to be full of communist wannabes, libertarians, and totalitarians, making discussions more interesting and broad than now. MAGA's Sup Forums is still interesting though, even when its rhetoric is quite simplistic, I still learn something new now and then.

>I'm not saying you can't have an argument but if nothing you say can possibly convince the other person then what is the point?

If your logic is sound, it stands. If it can be backed by evidence, and that evidence stands up to scrutiny, it stands.

The problem I find is that many people of your apparent persuasion never want to go past stage one of debate.

You make some statement, I respond to the statment in order to reach stage two of debate, where premises have been established and so on. Yet after trying to set that up, they don;t respond. It's almost like their opening statement IS their argument and you either accept it or don't.

It seems like they really don't know how to debate properly, like they have never needed a stage 2 or 3 before.

>If your argument has merit and can stand up to scrutiny, people will respect it.
>on Sup Forums

You're joking right? People here respect memes and bants.

>I guess why are you here of all places?.
I've been lurking Sup Forums intermittently before Sup Forums existed. I mainly come because it's entertaining, but as Sup Forums has become increasingly popular as an anonymous venue, it's become a decent place to feel the pulse of the people and what they truly think when they don't have to worry about social blowback.

What you should do is have your point well-developed before going in.

The present the evidence.

I love it here and unironically voted for Hillary and caucused for her. It was obvious trump would win. The left wasn't funny anymore. You guys were.

I've gotten more liberal browsing here.

I'm a liberal, but have a "fortress America" attitude towards foreign policy and utterly despise the SJW/Muslim apologist side of our community.

His point is that posting can hurt you, so just do it. Argument is the forge of new ideas, and we all need some opposition to refine our stances or change our views.

That's fine when you're debating one or two people, however when it's half the posters in the thread hammering you with memes it's not about the quality of the argument anymore, it's about logistics and managing those dozen posters while you're still in the process of typing your response to the first two. Sometimes you just can't be asked. However in quieter threads like this one, it's more manageable and enjoyable to do.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't make assumptions about me. First of all if your impression was that I am a liberal or something I'm not, I agree with Sup Forums on most things this is my experiences on other boards on completely different topics. Sup Forums is actually one of the better boards for having an argument mainly because there's plenty of records and studies floating around you can use. It's hard to argue against numbers. But if say I'm arguing about some niche topic on another board that isn't always going to be the case.

What bothers me is I'll spend an hour or two arguing with someone and at some point they start taking it personally and throw insults around, start denying things that are obvious to drag shit out, or go straight into shitposting and pretending they weren't even trying to argue in the first place. It's just tiresome.

You lot would probably class me as a liberal.

I'm pretty libertarian on social issues and personal freedom and I'm center to center-left economically.

If you have a good argument I don't think you would complain about logistics.

Logistics are important in the real world, though. Extraordinarily important to any adventure mounted by an organisation.

Pepes and memes are not arguments. If the other side responds with shitposts, why should I grace them with a proper response?

>What bothers me is I'll spend an hour or two arguing with someone and at some point they start taking it personally and throw insults around, start denying things that are obvious to drag shit out, or go straight into shitposting and pretending they weren't even trying to argue in the first place. It's just tiresome.

Yeah. That means you're winning.

Socialist checking in, although Sup Forums has made me a bit more natsoc

At least you fucking know how the slashes go

who /liberalwhoreadspoljusttobecomesad/ here

I honestly lurk the board because I just can't believe that people who have this much hatred in their hearts actually exist

Again if I haven't convinced anyone what have I accomplished? I just wasted 2 hours doing nothing.

>People here respect memes and bants.
Well maybe these days that's the case since the shills have largely left, but it was entertaining destroying their shit arguments when you would see them pop up.

Yes, I'm a liberal, and I visit pol often. I do some shitposting, but occasionally I'll actually try to argue my point. I don't know why I get roped into arguing, as most Sup Forumslacks are too stupid to have any meaningful discussion

Find a political thread on Sup Forums

Then you will understand the type of unironic liberal trash that browses on Sup Forums

Sup Forums is more sheep than human at this point.

Hello, Sup Forumslack here with a 136 IQ. What would you like to discuss?

It's a test m8. Well, more like a right of passage.

Can you take abuse and still keep going.

>Again if I haven't convinced anyone what have I accomplished?

You have defeated an argument. If it happens repeatedly that argument loses status on the board. It's how the board evolves.

There's nothing wrong with Sup Forums self-satifying.

That's the whole point of it.

>I just wasted 2 hours doing nothing.
vs passively lurking for 2 hours where you definitely accomplished something right?

>as most Sup Forumslacks are too stupid to have any meaningful discussion

Maybe if you were less of a faggot people would be more inclined to take you seriously.

The real question is what's the point of browsing a right wing dominated board if you're right wing? Isn't this safe space mentality?

Yes, there are lefties here.

>implying IQ tests have any bearing on how stupid your opinions are
>implying IQ tests are useful for anything besides bragging on the internet

0 for 1.

Dunning-Kruger effect.

Probably about as important as how much we're watched in order to determine political rhetoric.

Nat/Soc here
I can agree with the rest of Sup Forums on social issue and hating SJWs, even if economically they're Bourgeois Scum
Voted for Bernie in the primaries and Trump in the general

Because it's damn near impossible to talk about right wing stuff anywhere else. Certainly somewhere with any kind of user base.

Hmmm, I suppose you reached that conclusion with your low IQ score?

>Voted for Bernie in the primaries and Trump in the general
See, this is the exact thing that triggers the MSM the hardest.

Yeah, that's the problem. I can trigger Sup Forums for the (you)'s by typing out a shit argument knowingly, but when I actually use logic, I get no response whatsoever because anything that can't be rebutted by some pithy wit isn't worth the (you).

It doesn't take any effort to lurk. If I have to choose between a pissing content for 2 hours and skim for interesting content for 2 hours I'd much rather do the latter.

>If it happens repeatedly that argument loses status on the board. It's how the board evolves.
Depends, some boards are mostly shitposts. See Sup Forums, Sup Forums, Sup Forums, /vg/ etc.

Why not?

I graduated from newfag college in Sup Forums years ago, and after a long hiatus was lured here, where the spirit of shitposting is so very alive. The shitposting is good, so here I am.

Also, as mentioned earlier, why live in an echo chamber?

IQ is just about the worst way to determine who is right that there is.

I have an IQ of 153.

Well "progressive" neolibs that are just Marxists be damned but classical libs are cool and there are plenty here.

Gun to my head, I'd take plain socialism over just nationalism without Socialism. That's why Bernie was my first choice.
After he was out, I took the nationalist over the establishment

I cannot concede you that point. Having a genuine debate means each side get the same amount of time to put forward their argument and respond to continue the debate. I make one argument, you respond or vice-versa. Me having to do the exact same to 10 other posters is not a debate, it's a shouting contest and you're just playing catch-up trying to respond to everyone. Are you telling me the oxford model of holding debates 1v1, 2v2, etc is wrong and that 1v12 is totally legitimate and unbiased? Come on dude.

I'm pretty liberal, and I come here from time to time. I mainly come here to make sure I'm seeing things from outside of my normal bubble.

I don't reply that often; I have the unfortunate habit of trying to find backing citations for anything I say, and so usually the discussion has moved on by the time I'm ready to reply.

Liberal here, I'm very real. I screenshot things all over this dumpster fire of a board, and share it with other liberals to motivate them.

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been here years

i learn nothing new by sticking to places i am comfortable

almost never post, only way to get replies is to act like a retarded caricature. rational arguments with sources vanish to page 10 faster than escapedniggerslave.jpg on Sup Forums