Why are so many Sup Forumsacks blue pilled?

Its pretty pathetic 2bqh. So many around here shout and scream all the redpills they have taken.

How to know if you're blue pilled:
>derive your beliefs from personalities (Streamers, Youtubers, Trump, any Politician, other social media celebs, etc)
>subscribe to a subset of beliefs (religions, forms of government i.e. socialism, nationalism, etc)
>"identify" as anything as a means to formulate your thoughts/beliefs (gender, race, religion, cult, group, left/right/center/alt-w/e)
You may realize this applies to the vast majority of Sup Forums posters, shocking.

There is only one true red pill you shameless faggots. Critical Thinking.

(Note for retards out there, theres a difference between thinking nationalism is the way to go opposed to realizing it should only be a stepping stone)

just go to the gym and lift. Also stop being a faggot.

There, now you are "redpilled".

>thinking physical form means anything
Move along, the steroids shrink your brains and testys?

Sup Forums is mainstream
too many newfags

b-but religion is the true red pill

Because red pilled = being a racist sexist white supremacist

Have a wife and children. Spend as much quality time with them as you can.

There's always gonna be newfags till gookmook shuts it down. Theres plenty of older Sup Forumsacks however who are guilty of everything in the OP

It's not like I've come across anywhere else on the net though that wouldn't just ban me for this post

Don't you want many diverse opinions as you can take so there's more discourse and ideas, and conversations being shared?

Or, do you want tumblr level hivemind echochamber shit?

Thats how many of the redditor faggots and stormweenies abuse the term, absolutely.

Religion was in some form necessary to get us to this point in human evolution but its been obsolete for a good while now.

Family is meaningless, it is merely nature enslaving the mind to reproduce. Love does not exist, its a mixture of chemicals combined with emotional state to fabricate an ideal. Family was also necessary in human evolution, but we are easily on the cusp of taking control of our own evolution.

I think you misunderstood me. I want all of that, that's what the true red pill is - Critical Thinking. The ability to analyze everything while setting aside bias. We can discuss everything in the OP and more till our eyes bleed - the point is to be able to separate yourself from the bias of believing it is the true path.

I.e. If Trump screws the pooch, you need to be ready to call the mother fucker on it.

I'm gonna apply some critical thinking to your post. What happens when one thinks critically, hears the arguments from all sides, and comes to the conclusion that one of your subsets of belief are correct? You've basically tried to "define away" the ability to reason and come to a list of ideas which you dislike. Nope, sorry, but critical thinking has led me to reject your hypothesis.

Truly grasping critical thinking is knowing that nothing will ever be correct. Everything in existence is flawed. There are no true facts because new information can alter those facts thus they were never facts in the first place.

For example, I feel nationalism is the way each country must operate IN THE CURRENT CLIMATE. Because of the way our world currently is - silly ideas like a World Government of Peace are wholly impossible.

I personally believe humans must harness technology to ascend humanity altogether - it is a waste of time, merely a means to an end. As you put it I would believe this is the 'correct' path for humanity, HOWEVER given new information I could analyze and interpret an even greater path if available and debate that.

Thats the whole point of legitimate critical thinking - something very few humans possess.

Man, you're the kind of poster that still gives me a slight bit of hope in this website.

I swear this site, and Sup Forums in particular, have gone so far in one direction they've slipped over to the other side.
It's become hivemind central, and you can't have an opposing opinion without the whole board shouting memes and buzzwords at you.
It's all becomming too much to bear.

>Truly grasping critical thinking is knowing that nothing will ever be correct. Everything in existence is flawed. There are no true facts because new information can alter those facts thus they were never facts in the first place.
Then your statement will also never be correct. Nor is your statement a true fact. By your own claims, I ought to dismiss what you are saying. Do you see the problem in your reasoning?

I get what you mean. Though I still wouldn't label it a hivemind or echo chamber - I've yet to come across any other site that ACTUALLY allows opposing views. If you were an SJW you could still post here freely until you tired of it - there would be no downboats or bans.

I do completely enjoy the memes and chaotic mixture of shitposting/satire/semi-(((truths))) but it would still be nice to have a few threads every so often being pure discussion no buzzwords.

Ofc Sup Forumss chaos is forever tainted by trolls/stormweenies/raiders but they tend to be easy to call out for absolute zero bantz skills.

In fact, you're doing exactly what I'm asking for. Always formulate your own thoughts and do not parrot anyone else. The dismissal part however is another story- I never said to dismiss anything. Sup Forums of all places should realize how silly it is to try to put something into a box so you can dismiss it.

I have no desire to lead a world of followers - it'd be a much greater world living alongside fellow thinkers.

It sounds like perhaps we're on the same page, just phrasing things differently. I do try to listen to my opponents, and grant when they make a good point. On occasion I've changed my mind because of what they've said, and I think that is a necessary thing to be willing to do.

ITT first year college students try and impress one another.
Gaylord cunts fuck off.

I agree it does seem you try to approach roughly the same process.

A personal example for me is climate change was 'obvious' by looking outside and seeing the weather but I still figured it was greatly exaggerated (in the sense that humans could have such an impact on a planet that's lasted billions of years and gone through ice ages - it could merely be a natural process occurring). However being on Sup Forums and investigating further theres clearly nefarious individuals using climate change to alter laws whether for control or profit.

Ha. Way to prove your a gaylord, faggot. College students are exactly the type of people Sup Forums acts like. They read philosophers and books and parrot them (or their teachers) like its their own thoughts. You put shame to the aussie shitposters.

On a related note, I used to be more angry with "sheeple" for just believing whatever they hear and like, and never digging deeper. But at some point, I realized that for whatever reason, most people just seem incapable of ever doing so. And thus, those sheeple need a good shepherd who they can trust, and who can guide them in making good decisions. I think it's one of the sad side effects of the destruction and loss of authority of the family, that everyone is expected to do everything on their own, even though most aren't capable of it. A family can actually care about you, and thus make good decisions for you if you're a sheep. But the government or a school teacher cannot truly care for you, and thus their advice is fundamentally untrustworthy. What do you think on this?

Checked.

I think there is possibly no more accurate phrase/cliche in existence then 'ignorance is bliss'. If the recent American election proved anything, it's that.

I do agree what you say is accurate, however I'd go further by saying we are merely more aware of our struggles as each day goes on. Our world has become increasingly connected - this often makes many sheeple believe that violence/shootings/etc is more prevalent then ever. This is of course a silly myth as the savagery in humans has degraded immensely and has been regulated to shady hidden rooms on hidden islands or whatever other depraved shit we don't know about. The only places it still exists in the open are pretty much 3rd world shit holes and to a lesser extent heavily controlled governments (china/russia).

Also the biggest problem with the 'destruction of the family' isn't so much that they needed to be guided - they needing guidance to survive. But in our modern world you can survive relatively easy then when family was a guiding principle. Back then, if you were alone in the world there was a good chance you'd simply die soon.

I would fully support a push for families to become a central tenet of life again but only as a means to an end.

To be perfectly honest I envision a future where reproduction is ceased altogether and regulated. Currently humans bear children as if its a piece of property for 18 years then cast it into the abyss of society. I could go more in depth into this idea if asked.

The idea of government regulating reproduction and raising children themselves was somewhat popular with Humanists in the past. One of the serious problems with that is that they only care about the child abstractly. But I agree that the present system of raising children is horribly broken. Most of the brokenness is just due to bad beliefs of the parents (regarding how to raise children; just going off of trends and what sounds "nice"). Some of the brokenness is due to the state taking away the family's ability and power to solve problems. (Inability to control what goes on in the house or punish children sufficiently if push comes to shove, etc).

I suppose it comes down to what one's views on the purpose of life are. If one's goals are to provide food/shelter/clothing for the maximal number of people, then you will have a very different outcome than if you try to maximize clusters of autonomy and let them try to individually figure out a purpose of life for themselves. (Just to pick 2 examples.) What's your view on the purpose of life?

you rite dawg

leaving the paid shills aside, there's a lot of "pretend-redpillers" who think they've somehow advanced because they joined the Sup Forums "people agree with me now" club and have still never thought hard about their ideas in any context beyond their own personal self-interests

I'm not sure what the best solution would be for the regulation. Its difficult to conceptualize because I think the only way it could occur properly is a reset of humanity which is unlikely barring a cataclysmic event. Corruption is rampant in anyone who seeks power so children being raised by the government could easily go south REAL fast. Another though was that reproduction could be removed temporarily from all current humans and it could be regained if a couple chooses to actually raise a child. They'd need to understand that the child shouldn't be a slave to their own bias' and belief and able to choose their own paths - given all the available options so to speak. Obviously this is fairly high concept and difficult to really lay out.

Personally if there is a God, I'd still tell him to fuck off for how hes handled everything. More likely though I don't think there is one. Thus I think the only true purpose of life is to continue - that's its only true purpose. Therefore there is no meaning in sentient life. So humans to this point have tried countless ways to assign meaning to life (religion, pursuits, family, degeneracy :p, etc).

So, my own feeling on it is that sentient life should strive to create meaning and the ultimate pursuit to create meaning is knowledge above all else. Knowledge is theoretically unlimited and while it feels we know so much, you need only to look at the universe to know we know so very little - its enthralling to me.

Painfully true man, I've found the HWNDU stream pretty entertaining but its obvious how many of them are exactly that - pretend.

Whereas if I thought there were no God, as I used to, I would say there was no true purpose, and no possible way to judge between two purposes (or lack thereof.) But after I stopped listening to the culture, and starting doing some thinking on my own, I came to the conclusion that God must be real - eventually becoming very firm in that when he performed a legit miracle for me. (I know you might not believe that.) So for me, God's purpose for the world, which makes sense, has been taken on as my purpose as well, to a large extent.

I've always been entranced by the idea of a theory of everything, but unfortunately, I came to realize that it wasn't possible, since the universe, being at least as complex as simple arithmetic, is incapable of containing it's own truth function. And thus the universe cannot be self-contained causally.

t. just smoked weed for the first time

Fair enough. Call it pride or ego/whatever but if there was a God who appeared in the sky tomorrow I'd still tell him to fuck off. To me following a deity or anything really is a form of self-enslavement. Really until I can witness tangible proof of any purpose beyond the one I envision (the pursuit of knowledge) I'm unlikely to change that aspect.

Ive smoked weed a few times but while its nice it didn't leave me any higher then enjoying a good piece of entertainment (movie/game/etc).

t. dude words lol

That was essentially Christopher Hitchens position as well. I understand wanting to be your own ultimate authority (essentially god of your own domain even if no one else's), but having worked for the guy for years, I can't say it is like enslavement - I can leave at any time, but of course, if I do, I shouldn't be surprised that he won't want me in his domain.

Are you saying you would want physical evidence you can touch/see, or logical evidence?

I too really enjoy the pursuit of knowledge, especially in fields like physics, logic, etc. But wouldn't that still just be your own person opinion on purpose, one which has no impetus for other people?

>fatty has spoken

Never heard of him. I genuinely haven't read anything from anyone - I felt it'd cloud my though process in the earlier days and there's really no point now unless through debate. To be perfectly honest I also have absurdly high self-esteem, and recognizing that I do makes it stay at that level - thus reading others without being able to debate them would be pointless as I'd never 'convert' so to speak to any of their ideals.

I don't really "want" any evidence - it's more that I've spent so many fucking hours in contemplation formulating my perspective of the world that while I am always willing to alter it given new information unless I can specifically witness God then I will always figure it does not exist. I was raised Christian as an fyi - purely through self-reflection I cast aside all religion in my early teens (12/13 bout a decade or so)

True, pursuit of knowledge at the current point in human existence would be forcing my values/beliefs on others. In fact I am someone who does not really judge others how they spend their time (unless their time is spent harming other individuals maliciously - I enjoy a good troll but there are easily some tards who go too far that should be slapped silly, plus you know.. much darker past times). However you spend your time should be your own prerogative to gain as much happiness out of life as possible specifically because we 100% have no evidence of an afterlife at this time.

And in that same vein, I theorize that if humans were able to ascend to some other form free of natures enslavement (desires and maintenance required for human life to propagate and exist (i.e. eating/sex/etc)) that what would be left is the pursuit of knowledge. With desires removed from the equation I only foresee knowledge being left (this could of course still include entertainment in whatever form)

If you didn't read any further let me clarify that if you enjoy fitness good for you. However it is merely a means to an end and dependent on what you enjoy in your own life. There's countless fitness freaks who are miserable so its a far cry from a one size fits all nonsense. I dream/envision of something we can not currently fathom - a form beyond the petty limitations of the human physical body.

>lifting magically turns food into steroids

Yeah, nationalism is only a stepping stone. The final stop is national socialism / fascism.
"Critical thinking" driven to its logical conclusion is nihilism. All you do is look for things to criticize.

Why do you personally desire the pursuit of knowledge? Has it just become an abstract goal to acquire? What I mean is: knowledge is desirable for a few reasons, such as: a) putting it to practical applications, helping you achieve other goals. But this entails that you have other goals. b) it helps you answer philosophical questions which helps you figure out what you ought to do. But this only applies if indeed there is something else which you ought to do. c) ?? So what is the purpose of knowledge in your life, without anything to apply it to? Otherwise, it becomes like modern mathematics: technically true, but so divorced from reality that it is just a game.

It was a joke.

If you took the time to read this thread you'd realize I do not simply criticize for the sake of criticizing. I seek further understanding of the existence we are living.

Let's say NatSoc is the dream eh? Let's say you even achieve it. What then? A bunch of happy homogeneous families? HA. This is why subscribing to any set of beliefs is so pitiful. It is all very small thinking. Narrow and forever short term. There will simply be new problems that arise as long as humans remain human. Desires will forever fuel our current world. Where there are desires there will be corruption. You think so very small, the universe is mind blowingly massive and you worry about the petty problems of one tiny speck in its vast space.

I actually did read what you wrote and agree with you on many points. However, you said:
>I think the only true purpose of life is to continue - that's its only true purpose. Therefore there is no meaning in sentient life.
I don't think that trying to preserve the continuation of life means there is no meaning in sentient life. When one of the plausible theories of ultimate fate of the universe is the heath death, then what is the point? Why even try? Why don't we give up? No matter what we do know, it won't matter at the end. I refuse to accept this. For me, the meaning of satient life is to preserve it, no matter the cost. Evolve, overcome insurmountable challenges and persevere.

*now

>subscribe to a subset of beliefs (religions)

It is both personal desire and theorized outcome. Like I said if carnal/maintenance of the human is removed I see only the pursuit of knowledge remaining. By pursuing knowledge we can unlock realities we can not currently conceive. We could discover things we can not even fathom. I think every sentient lifeform could probably agree that the endgame of life should be enjoyment in some form - thus pursuing knowledge could reveal countless forms to enjoy the act of existing. It's not so different then the paradises that religious followers dream of - its just a far more tangible goal since we have no evidence those exist.

Critical thinking will ultimately lead you to be a realist on genetics. This leads to understanding certain genetics lead to better societies.

You also should realize transhumanism is the future.

> RADICAL CENTRIST BRUH
So smert.

The absolute most hilariously stupid group are automation communists

I see, I essentially agree. By purpose of life I meant that in theory if nature is merely the chaotic miracle it seems to be (barring that theres a God) that lifes only purpose is to continue (reproduction and the countless ways it keeps itself going). I would theorize that just like life happened in a miracle of chaos - sentience did too. However sentience has no inherent purpose - this can be seen as animals have existed long before us and possibly will long after us.

I too would submit that by harnessing technology, utilizing evolution and the pursuit of knowledge why could we not defeat/side step the heat death of the universe. Who's to say we could not solve it or fabricate a new universe? That's a far more interesting way to die at least.

Absolutely - some try to use such thoughts though in stupid ways which I'm sure you know of and won't bother getting into.

Genetics however to me at least is merely another stepping stone - its where we take evolution into our own hands, imaginary Gods be damned. By growing our capacity to understand the world around us we could ideally evolve past physical forms altogether - something we can not currently conceptualize.

Okay, so you are putting the knowledge to use i n the pursuit of happiness/enjoyment/pleasure.
>I think every sentient lifeform could probably agree that the endgame of life should be enjoyment in some form
That philosphy is, of course, known as hedonism. That the ultimate purpose of life is about pleasure/pain. Since these are affluent times, it is a popular philosophy, but it's usually not all that common - far from being every sentient lifeform's philosophy of purpose.

The religious paradise is something people dream about, but it's somewhat exaggerated regarding Christianity. True, God's domain is said to be good and pain-free, but it isn't really presented as a vacation.

And, this is important for honest reasoning's sake: there is quite a bit of evidence for Christianity (and of course the related branches of Judaism and Islam), but you have judged that evidence to be outweighed by the evidence against it. Whereas I have weighed and found naturalistic materialism to be outweighed. That, however, is a very different than to say that one of those positions has *no* evidence. (Just keeping it honest.)

religion is normiepilled, unless it's gnosticism.

>I too would submit that by harnessing technology, utilizing evolution and the pursuit of knowledge why could we not defeat/side step the heat death of the universe. Who's to say we could not solve it or fabricate a new universe?
Speaking of evidence, the evidence is extremely strong that this is impossible. Of absolutely every interaction in physics, none of them can reduce entropy. It's inherantly tied to the creation of new information during projections of the state space. The rest of the time is unitary transforms, and thus the amount of information is invariant. Therefore, we are guaranteed of a continually increasing entropy, even if you could manage to create a bubble universe. It really is one of the most guaranteed things in physics; even quantum gravity won't be able to violate it.

I can't say I'd equate it to hedonism frankly. The enjoyment I speak of is all encompassing - an umbrella of all that humans seek. Humans gain enjoyment from serving Gods and the paradise that awaits. Thus they still seek enjoyment. I don't really have a term to properly equate the enjoyment I speak of. I think it takes countless forms such as "fulfillment" or "purpose", etc. Really could go endlessly on what leads to enjoyment in any individuals life - thus I theorize that through the expansion of knowledge we would seek further enjoyment in currently unfathomable ways.

No offense but in all honestly I can not take most religions seriously. Judaism/Christianity/Islam literally come from a guy and his balls that produced sons - its beyond absurd to me. I respect spiritual focused religions like Buddhism.

>He unironically thinks that a vast majority of people possess the mental capacity to be intellectually independent and self-sufficient.

What you are witnessing OP, is merely the course of nature at its core. Those incapable of any sort of true individuality in their thoughts will be swept aside into the turbulent waters of religion, abstract political ideas, trends and the like.

You simply cannot change the thinking core of these individuals. Harsh determinism at its core, right here.

Quite interesting, but in all honesty we are living on a speck of a planet in this crazy ass universe. There is such a vast wealth of knowledge to untap I feel like its beyond silly to speak in absolutes. Another reason I tend to despise religion and people who submit to sets of beliefs.

>tfw too smart to lift

>Family is meaningless

Kek you're just a Nilhist faggot, you aren't redpilled for shit. Go back to your r/MGTOW subleddit

Heheh did I come off that way? I can see how I may seem overly idealistic dreamer. I'm actually quite pessimistic in achieving any of this. In fact the only way I've been able to forsee such things being achieved is by starting at the very base. Teaching children actual critical thinking (exploring all possibilities, not telling them what to think) is the only way my lofty ideals could even start to be met.

The cold reality is as you say. Once humans reach probably what, age 10 or so there's a great chance they will be another incoming sheep or whatever term you'd like to use. The evidence of this is vast, overwhelming and depressing as fuck. They are brainwashed by their enviroment (teachers/parents/whatever) and border on impossible to change.

The only other alternative I've been able to think of is a cataclysm of humanity. Vast amounts of life lost (anywheres from 50-95% of humanity) to actually have a chance to build a better existence.

Yeah, I think you're describing more of an Epicurean hedonism, rather than a get-drunk-and-make-out hedonism. Fair enough. It is still quite different than, say, a man whose purpose in life is to care for his family - typically responsibility guides him, even though he doesn't enjoy the work.

I don't mind the tenets of legitimate Buddhism, though I rarely encounter it, as opposed to the pop-culture version of it. My problem with it, is that there is no reason to believe it is true. It sycretizes what it likes and what sounds right. Whereas it makes sense that if the prophets and Jesus could speak with God, then they could glean information from him, which we would not otherwise have.
>Judaism/Christianity/Islam literally come from a guy and his balls that produced sons - its beyond absurd to me.
That is indeed pretty absurd, but where did it come from? I've read the Bible twice, and that isn't in there. Is this one of the atheistic narratives of the creation of Yahweh from a member of the Canaanite pantheon? If so, how did you verify it?

Quantify family then faggot, I doubt you can. It's merely a tool of nature for life to survive - nothing more, nothing less. The love you feel for siblings and parents is merely a reinforcement of nature to survive along with ingrained societal values.

If a human one day simply came to exist on an island by himself he would never feel lonely or desire a family because that concept would not exist.

On a side note I've never even bothered debating with redditors, they are so cringe it hurts when it comes to these discussions or even the garbage tier discussions Sup Forums has on government - they are far better then reddit thats for sure.

I am inclined to agree. Considering the largely proven genetic fact of inheritable aspect of intelligence, I cannot perceive a better world without a harsh and thoroughly planned and carried out wide-scale eugenic plan.

It is a grand delusion that we're biologically predisposed to seek the qualities in a partner to ensure an intellectually superior offspring, but rather - one more purely fit for survival on some manner of short-term scale.

Hence why some manner of direct intervention on our part is needed.

Still though I would put forth that the man being driven by responsibility is given fulfillment and thus a form of enjoyment by caring for his family. He does not have to enjoy his job to gain that fulfillment.

I honestly can't remember where I learned it anymore. But basically Abraham was the founder of Christianity, and his two sons each found Judaism and Islam. I can't even remember their names atm.

newfags getting paid to shill, or volunteering, but inevitably being forced to digest some red-pills.
free exchange of info is a beautiful thing.
this board isnt as diverse as it used to be,
speaking of which, i havnt seen egypt in long while

Indeed. That of course leads to the debate of how to go about it. Thats why I think the only peaceful way it could happen is by affecting future generations of children - it has to start at the ground up.

If we were to orchestrate the cataclysm ourselves... its a rough debate there. I really don't hold morals myself as they are merely fabrications of society but I can't say I'd be for wiping away the good and the filth for a perceived future.

If the cataclysm was orchestrated by a 3rd party - disease/disaster/aliens/w/e it's a dark form of hope but ultimately the quickest solution.

>Quantify family then faggot, I doubt you can. It's merely a tool of nature for life to survive - nothing more, nothing less
If you want to go that way, then your "critical thinking" and "free will" is illusion as well, mostly determined by result of chemical reaction. "The experience of intentionally willing an action, they suggested, is often nothing more than a post hoc causal inference that our thoughts caused some behavior. The feeling itself, however, plays no causal role in producing that behavior." Although this illusions makes some people more/less faggot, I can see your 100% pure faggotory.

Ah, okay. Moses writes much of the history as revealed to him by God, including the part where he makes a covenant with Abraham. His two sons are Isaac and Ishmael. Ethnic Jews say they are ethnically descendants of Isaac (actually, a descendant's of Isaac, but let's not make it too complicated), and Ethnic Arabs say they are descendants of Ishmael. (Since people were very tribal back then, it is normal for families to form into tribes and then races, and there are other groups such as Edomites.) That's not the sources of their religions though. If by "religion" one means the God they serve, then according to Moses, he was interfering with humanity from the beginning. But if by "religion" one means the organized form with ceremonies, etc, then Judaism starts with Moses, and Islam starts a few thousand years later with Muhammad. Christianity as we would call it today starts a few decades after Jesus and develops over the next century.

Moses and Jesus (and the other prophets) are consistent, but Muhammad fits a different profile, so some people claim he is associated with a different god, even though he says it is the same god.

>I really don't hold morals myself as they are merely fabrications of society but I can't say I'd be for wiping away the good and the filth for a perceived future.

I thoroughly share the sentiment. I am curious about something however, considering I have been spending the significant amount of my recent time into devising a personal system of virtues based on rationality so that I may assign value to people in correspondence to my needs and vision... - What is it that you mostly base your own system f morality upon (Despite a certain extent of amorality, I've tendency to conclude that we possess an intrinsic set which is a reflection of our true "Self")?

What would you consider virtue?

Except your's is a completely abstract theory that belongs in /r/showerthoughts

Family is merely a smaller form of the tribe, which is quite obvious a function of nature to exist. Thus unconditional love becomes an illusion of sorts as you said.

Submitting that free will is an illusion is a pretty pointless conversation though - its an endless unsolvable riddle given the tools we currently possess.

Illustrating the function of the family is much easier in that respect.

While I speak in confidence I do not speak in absolutes. Its wholly possible that Love exists in something beyond the chemicals. But there are countless families and 'loves' that are easily broken and never repaired from life till death, thus if Love is in fact real it is beyond rare and not currently conceivable given our senses at this time.

Despite family being "merely a tool" this tool is needed for normal functioning of society. Which is why it is so important, speaking on race it's even more important to ensure survival of our people.

You guys lost...get over it you little bitch

>Submitting that free will is an illusion is a pretty pointless conversation though - its an endless unsolvable riddle given the tools we currently possess.
I think this perception might be due to pop-science more than anything. For the last 90 years the framework of physics has been intrinsically non-deterministic. Determinism was the argument against free will, and thus the argument against free will is broken. The future is not entailed by the present state. You can't predict the outcome, even in principle.

>But there are countless families and 'loves' that are easily broken and never repaired from life till death, thus if Love is in fact real it is beyond rare and not currently conceivable given our senses at this time.
Wow, that's kindof sad, really. Families are so broken in this town, the population is generally hedonistic and atheistic, seeking alcohol/drugs/sex and bailing on their woman as soon as it is more advantageous to do so. Being in a solid family which fixes problems instead of exasperating them is pretty comfy, especially when you look out the window (literally) and see the broken people. God being the center of our family has made all the difference for us (though I know you don't believe that.)

My virtues or morals or w/e is honestly super simple. It boils down to not inflicting legitimate harm on another. But then of course its always more complex as its really grey and case by case basis. I can't do any absurd blanket. Thats why instead of enforcing a moral code on sentient life I envision an existence where its no longer an issue.

I hold no imo absurd virtues about how people should consume or fulfill their base desires as long as it does not conflict with anothers enjoyment of life. This too becomes difficult and case by case as I empathize that there are killers who legitimately have little to no control over their actions. This is again something that must be rooted out at the very base - through harnessing our own evolution.

To give a strange example of such things - I can only assume it is some facet of nature in the dice roll that is me. The thought of a woman being raped fills me with deep seething rage - blood boiling level, I feel as if I could crush the offenders windpipe between my hands like a twig. I honestly have no control over this reaction - I've experienced no trauma in my life nor do I know anyone who has ever been sexually assaulted.

>germany
You guys are permanently losing that must really suck
I'm guessing your insinuating I'm a lib? LOL. If it's not clear from the OP I identify as absolutely nothing. For reference I did 'support' Trump and spread anti-hilldwag materials because shes fucking evil and Trump at least brings it tons of lulz. I did not vote however as I dream of the stars while politics is merely a petty action on our tiny Earth.

I agree. Family was completely necessary for us to survive to this point. However as I mentioned it is a means to an end. That end being that humans take evolution into our own hands and thus we would outgrow any need for tribes or a family - thus they are meaningfulness outside of the propagation of our species.

Family and the concept of marriage themselves are sacrifices made on behalf of the individual to ensure the survival of future prospect in form of a child. People generally hurl into marriage out of pure passion and an intrinsic will to procreate, but somewhere down the road, when the illusion of this same passion disappears akin to a magician's trick, they realize that they do not fundamentally correspond to one another as individuals, leading to inevitable suffering within this bond.

My point being, family itself may be fulfilling to an individual as a biological imperative, but it is in core, a sacrifice that an individual commits for the sake of society and further preservation of human race as a whole. In the long-term, the individual draws out a shorter straw from out of it all, especially when you consider the vast majority of people who are generally discontent with their marriages, yet preserve the bond for the sake of offspring or a pure fear of change / habitual reasons.

I actually don't hold as much animosity for religion as you may think. I think most religious leaders are completely full of shit and only in it for fulfilling one of their desires (greed/sex/power). Religion has served to fabricate a sense of purpose and 'good' virtue in people simply by outlawing certain aspects. I generally don't hate religious people who follow their beliefs while keeping it to their-selves - its when they try to spread and indoctrinate or affect law that I want to slap the silly out of them.

It's true maybe I should have been more specific that in our current society family is not meaningless as it can prevent many of the pitfalls of existing. I merely dream/envision/foresee a much greater alternative.

Go fuck yourself, OP.

I'm still here trying to expose the Secret Space Program / Underground bases / pneumatic travel.

#BobLaZ

You put it much better then I did, well done. Agreed.

Very interesting. As I've said, I am admittedly, somewhat adamant in supposing that an inherent system of morality persists inside a vast majority of us, based in its greater part on pure biology of our being, which in turn makes up a larger picture of our "Self".

Your presented description of aversion towards an act of rape is precisely this - it is entailed into your very being to find the act as repugnant, you were simply not indoctrinated to believe or react in such a manner.

Myself, I've devised roughly two principles that I largely abide to. One of them is based on valuing people based on the understanding of their own suffering and causality of the same.

People here that are often labeled as "Degenerates", represent for me a type of individual who in his or hers delusion, seeks to attain reprieve from suffering, yet their actions bring about a purely opposite effect from a desired, intended one.

One could argue that in the core of this behavior lies ignorance, and henceforth this principle is based on my aversion towards the same, of people's inability to /be/ conscious of their acts and intentions.

You're right about the passion always disappearing after a few years, but your conclusion:
>they realize that they do not fundamentally correspond to one another as individuals, leading to inevitable suffering within this bond.
only seems to be correct because the general population does not consist of many good people anymore. It is good to be well-matched, but even poorly matched couples have no problem if they are decent. As one example, people have watched so much fiction and drama, that when conflict arises, they naturally seek to escalate it (which is presented in fiction as noble) rather than to de-escalate. I've seen couples who share almost nothing in common, but they both exhibit self-control and are quite fond of each other, despite not having much they can do together. Whereas I've seen people who are very similar, but eventually drive the wedge between themselves. People reap the consequences of their own foolishness, and wisdom is not a thing that is currently promoted.

What would replace a family then? Here we have a child born. A robot? Some kind of program that ensures he has some basic morals and education? What would be? On the other hand it would produce clones, they would just look different, but think the same

Assuming such things exist would be critical thinking based on human history bobby boy. It's well known that the American military has upwards of 10-15 years of technology beyond what is available for the public.

I personally assume that America has a metric shit ton of hidden stuff all over the place - our government is beyond shady as has ever government been throughout human recorded history. There are always patriots among the corrupt that seek to keep the empire everlasting. America especially somehow learned not to make the mistakes of every previous Empire - we haven't attempt to expand at all in idk at least a century? Besides military bases - essentially tentacles around the world - it keeps us massively insulated from the failings of previous empires.

Please tell us more about your enlightened ways of (((thinking))) OP.

Faggot.

You criticize without offering alternatives.
THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF CRITICAL THEORY.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT CULTURAL MARXISM IS.

PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE OR KINDLY FUCK OFF.

this is how you become a normie, not red pilled.

I have found that when designing systems, it is very easy to dream of a design in which things work great in the dream, but when I try to put it into practice, I find that my dreams have inherent flaws.

You very much espouse a Humanist approach to things (derived from the French Revolution), but I've never seen that work anywhere outside of fiction like Star Trek, unfortunately. (I used to be a fan of Star Trek and like the philosophy too.)

>I think most religious leaders are completely full of shit and only in it for fulfilling one of their desires (greed/sex/power).
Surely there are many bad ones, but I've always been interested in truth; how to find it, how to discern it, how to deduce it, etc. So I'm more interested in whether it's true, rather than whether I like all the adherents.

Anyway, it's 4am here, so I had better get some sleep. Good luck in your pursuit of truth!

It is pure folly to discard religion in its entirety, but it is also even greater folly to take it at its face value. Each and every religion possesses some fundamental truths of our being and human nature.

The whole purpose of religion is to bring these truths closer to the general masses, who cannot absorb the truth in its unfiltered form. Hence the heavy veils of allegory prevalent in all the religions known to man, which simultaneously obfuscate the crude, harsh aspect of the presented truths, all the while fulfilling some basic human need for metaphysics and metaphysical concepts.

To present this on the terms of analogy, think along the lines of chemistry, where to actually make use of a poisonous gas akin to Chlorine, we have to introduce an element akin to Hydrogen (in this case allegory), to "filter" it in a way for our consumption and needs. It is the same precise thing with religion.

Rip away all the allegory and metaphysics and you will perceive wisdom of the ancients.

Good point. I think a lot of the degeneracy stuff is largely joking though I'm sure some are serious - as with everything on Sup Forums. As I was discussing with the leaf I suppose the closest explanation of the way I see it is hedonism - in a sense of may as well. Human existence is rather sucktastic considering we only have about 50 years to really do anything that could last past our death. If you aren't gifted with either a silver spoon or great talents then life sucks all the more. So I see it as why not fulfill your desires? Why slave away to others who get to spend even MORE time fulfilling theirs?

So basically as long as you're not being a true asshole (I mean truly emotionally/physically harming another individual not light hearted trolling) then just do what you enjoy each day while surviving. Because really why not?

I feel like its a roll of the dice in nature that certain individuals feel some way - whether its attracted to committing atrocities or other things I'd rather not mention. I think enviroment can affect your attractions but only to a certain extent. I don't think you can will yourself away from an attraction to something - this is something I find deeply frustrating with the human condition so to speak and why I speak of seeking to transcend it.

There is a small myriad of factors at play, that much I can and will agree with. Current society nourishes the method and principles of "cop-out" and "fixing", rather than a form of responsibility and self-control - /preventing/. In core, this creates an entire generation of men and women who are greatly liable to the sway of smallest change, whereas we have situations where the great majority of marriages face abrupt end at the sight of first difficulty.

Alleviation has substituted perseverance as a societal virtue, because the general society is unused to hardship and cruelty of life as generations preceding our own.

t. stormweenie

I'm pretty positive what I've been saying has nothing to do with cultural marxism. I frankly know very little of whatever that term may constitute to you so how could I possibly be putting said idea forth?

Provide an alternative to what? I'm not telling you to follow something - I'm telling you to THINK.

Good point. Many people do go around protesting they know the truth but critical thinking only brings to people to the realization...

truth is completely relative *UNSHEATHES DAI-KATANA* `hovers in air` and only when people understand...CRRRSHHINKK!....

that, everything in the world is to distract you from yourself and the power of your own mind in your life is the only truth...

*sheaths DAI KANTANA*

'nothing personnel'

Its far beyond 10-15 years, friend.
These little bought out ant government "officials" are nothing. They know nothing beyond their district. If you know as well as I do, there is a whole detached structure. This Empire, by the power of the Military Industrial Complex, keeps our nation alive and prosperous. If anyone can refute that, please respond. You cannot. America would not be America today if it were not the tireless efforts of those who keep secrets, build big, live underground, have fake families, and continue to serve this nation so that all of you normies can live your normal pre-(((programmed))) lives.

>I'm not telling you to follow something - I'm telling you to THINK.
Here's a problem, you can't make entire masses into a giant think machine, you need an idea and make mass to follow it otherwise all of this is just pointless thinking

Trips checkd.

Yes as I was reading your reply that's certainly all very valid. I suppose I often picture religions in more nefarious terms - means of controlling the lesser population. Since to our knowledge rarely do those in power ever actually adhere to whatever religions tenets.

At fucking least its not deleted/ downvoted unlike reddit. It even gives your post more publicity

Chasing desire is not a recipe to happiness. Human is an insatiable beast, always in pursuit of new hills to scale and new valleys to traverse and conquer.

It is very important to limit oneself when it comes to ambition, which when abundant, is very toxic to our psyche and being. A simple man is a happy man as they say, one whose perspective is limited to but a handful of realistically imagined pursuits and ambitions and nothing beyond it.

If you were to impose an unrealistic amount of ambitions upon your being, you will inevitably face a failure in a greater portion of them, hence at the end of it all, the only thing you have blindly sought is your own suffering.

At the end of the day, pursuit of one's own desires is not necessarily a bad thing, on the contrary, it is a fundamental part of our nature, but to impose no limitations on it is "degeneracy" at it's finest.

The ancients knew well what they were talking about in reference to the renowned "Golden Mean".

Think of it as a necessary design for the masses to catch whatever glimpse they may of the truth. It has its uses for a common man of simple mind, but it is only an intellectual restriction and a boundary to be surpassed for an independent thinker.

Very true. In all honesty I have a perceived vision I dream of the world following - the closest term of know of would be transhumanism.

The issue is the stepping stones to that point. The closest ideas I've come to are waiting for a cataclysm/ borderline impossible reformation of education and/or reproduction.

The wonderful thing about Sup Forums is that in its chaos it somehow manufactures the most original content on the internet despite being relatively puny to countless other sites. Really there's probably no better place to encourage others to apply much greater critical thinking/analyze the world around us.

It may sound absurd but Sup Forums is probably the closest modern equivalent to philosophers in greek/rome discussing with one another. I sure in fuck don't know of anywhere else. Any place that claims to be philosophy is just a pitiful mash of pseudo intellectuals parroting books they've read or teachers they've listened to.

I can't disagree but in the end its still rather... small for me to think about. Since I essentially envision removing the enslavement to nature it makes the current predicament/debate of degeneracy as insignificant.

Accurate, I suppose we could surmise those who wrote such allegories were the thinkers of their times.

>Names himself something popularised by an incoherent tranny produced film trilogy

>Sup Forums is probably the closest modern equivalent to philosophers in greek/rome discussing with one another
Not really nowadays
>commie posters cause eternal shitstorm
>different opinion causes shitstorm
>this board is for x
This is way this board is so shit nowadays

Haha maybe.. but seriously if you just read a single post in a so called 'discussion' area of reddit or the comment section of any left/right site you'll see the genuinely staggering difference of Sup Forums versus those. It's painful and cringe but I do it to remind myself of the echo chambers they operate in.

Pretty sure I never called myself morpheus. Also its pretty common knowledge the red pill/blue pill terms come from the Matrix. Poor attempt at trolling britbong 3/10

I can agree here, most of discussions on the reddit is just parroting to each other, here shitstorm results sometimes in a good arguments

It is a very positive thing to have a variety in general thought.

Even though there are a handful of narratives that are loosely "enforced" as a part of board culture, I perceive the opposing currents of thought as a purely positive thing. It is the constant shift and conflict of minds, the so-called going against the grain that sparks the greatest of ideas.

Hell, the entirety of Enlightenment era can be ascribed to the "against the grain" mentality. It is a prime example of how crucial and powerful it is in the pursuit of truth. You must always have a deviation from the narrative because a variety of viewpoints and perspectives forms up a more coherent overall picture of things as they are.

>transhumanism
Are you really so fucking half glass full that you honestly think that this won't destroy the human race completely? What part of supply and demand do you not get? What part of the elites will have privy over the best transhumanist technology available do you not understand? Are you one of those people that foolishly thinks the ones with the most money and power are going to just allow everyday people to become augmented to the same degree as them out of kindness or compassion? If so, how can you claim to be a critical thinker when your hopes are hinged on a veritable pipe dream held up by strings of improbability?