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Why do faggots on the left have to ruin the only sensible and politically acceptable form of nationalism?

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> Civic Nationalism
> What are the USSR and Yugoslavia

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> Sensible

>be american
>no american ethnicity
>no ethnic nationalism

The rhetoric of the common lefty is that nationalism is a race issue, regardless if the country is ethnically diverse. Civic nationalism rids that, sort of.

do you?

civic nationalism is a meaningless bogus term
nationalism without nationality
this is the difference between a state and a nation

No, rather a nation that doesn't tie an ethnicity to nationality. What's wrong with that?

what an asinine post

Fucking liberal shit heads hijacking the term.
Not on my fucking watch.

Liberal brand tolerance and equality can not coexist with nationalism.

Because you're wrong or because you're a white nationalist?

Absolutely nothing, ignore ethnonationalists. They're still stuck in the tribal days of cavemen.

>You can't be nationalistic if you don't have a specific racial heritage in a given country
Can you explain further?

Cause that sounds like garbage.

Anyone else notice how wikipedia, though always not very reliable, has become a complete SJW shit hole?

A patriots skin is the color of his flag.

You can't be nationalistic if you don't have a nation

A melting pot is not a nation, even if it is a single state

Because everyone on the left is a communist, crypto or otherwise.

That sounds like opinion rather than fact.

Define nation and why you don't believe a non white could be nationalistic for Britain.

True, soviet "nationalism" was the worst, glorifying the "soviet man" (coвeтcкий чeлoвeк) which meant nothing

A nation is defined by it's ethnic descent, history, language and culture. One of those things doesn't matter. Can you guess which one?

A nation is united, see , the USSR was a state but it wasn't a nation, it was communism

Culture, because it's the product of the other three.

Ethnic nationalism is all that matters, if a nation fails you'll still have your family and those who are genetically similar(your countrymen) to you, who have you're best interests at heart to aid in dark times, because helping eachother ensure that even if one fails their genes will be passed on.
Civic nationalism falls flat even before a nation dies as turmoil, disdain, and apprehension stems from people who are fundamentally juxtaposed are now living in close proximity.

I'll give you that one. You get the point, though.

Define united. Everyone who isn't an idiot agrees that the USSR was a complete and total failure. But it was a majority white utopia that white NatSoc types here are dangerously close to wanting for themselves.

You don't seem to be able to argue your point very well to be honest.

>who have you're best interests at heart to aid in dark times

I love how trusting the ethnonationalist is of his ethnicity, pretending like no harm, no plot and no insidious danger will ever happen to them. It's like a retard thinking wolves don't fight because they're all the same species, they just fight other dogs.

>majority white
"white" is meaningless, Europe is full of nation states, the EU was the attempt to make one European state and it would never have worked because it could not become a nation so easily

Yeah, ethnic nationalism is brilliant. Especially when your fellow white countries turn on you. Look outside your border sometime Americlap.

>fellow white countries
white is not an ethnicity

If white is meaningless what do you base your want for ethnic nationalism on?

But I agree with you on Europe. Complete and utter shambles. I know non whites who were pro Brexit and love Britain more than the self hating white cuck liberals who want nothing more than white genocide.

If you don't consider white an ethnicity what ethnicity do you base ethnic nationalism on?

Geographical location

Okay, and if someone is born in the same geographical location but has a different ethnic heritage?

Culture

"Civic Nationalism" is just another way of saying "Patriotism." It's needed, but should be paired with ethnic nationalism if you want it to actually work.

english or welsh

They are born into the same culture as their countrymen. Depending on their parents origin (whether they were also born in that country and how many generations back) and their culture dictates how well that person will assimilate.

Now what?

By English or Welsh I'm assuming you mean anyone who is born in England or Wales and identifies as white.

no I mean anyone who is English or is Welsh or a mixture of the two

Whiteness is not enough. Take for example us, we have estonians and russians. We can both argue we are white, yet we hate each other and I would deport every russian here. This is ethnic nationalism.

Honestly the whole HWNDU thing has made me less racist, I now am a civic nationalist

I think patriotism if separated from ethnicity is the thing that would stop bix nood dindus from being bix nood dindus.

Sheriff Clarke is a prime example. He is a patriot through and through and a race realist. He acknowledges the truth yet is not self hating.

Being unified under a national identity is what people need to stop acting like retards. The people who feel disenfranchised are those who act the most degenerate.

White liberals are disenfranchised from their identity because they are troubled by what they've been taught in school, for example.

Define English or Welsh.

Now they are identified as a diverse ethnic group; Asian-American, African-American. Which is retarded because they should be mutually exclusive, yes you are of Asian descent but you're an American first and Asian in descent and possibly culture. I mean I guess it's somewhat important to point out what generation of American you are to understand where you come from but does it really matter? Just using American as an example

Black people have been here long enough that it may be true for them because America is their home, but spics and anyone else who doesn't put America first need to go.

We're both quite genetically different from Russians, yes. This sort of thing is why I think ethnic nationalism is stupid, or at least the brand of ethnic nationalism Sup Forums usually pushes for.

What do you propose for non whites in Estonia who assimilate?

You can't put it in words so easily, but if your parents were english or welsh, then you're english or welsh

Yes I agree. Mexicans that don't assimilate and anyone there illegally shouldn't be there at all. That goes for people from anywhere.

It really shouldn't have taken you that long. Look at our military. I mean fuck, look at Hitlers military. We really can set aside race if everyone stopped getting so fucking offended.

You can't define your terms and your view of them seems a bit simplistic.
What happens if someone has an English parent and French parent?
What happens if someone says they are Welsh but don't look Welsh ethnically?

>What do you propose for non whites in Estonia who assimilate?
gtfo back to sweden

>You can't define your terms
Here you were comparing natsocs to commies, and yet you're the one acting like everything can be put in words easily or turned into instructions that a computer could understand.

>What happens if someone has an English parent and French parent?
Then they're half English.

>What happens if someone says they are Welsh but don't look Welsh ethnically?
Then you might not believe them.

>We can set aside race
And Brazil 2.0 is going to be just fantastic, right? Bring in the mongrels!
white nationalism for the US, ethnic nationalism for Europe. The US doesn't have the centuries of bitter rivalries between nations that you all have, so our idea of camaraderie is quite different.

Or maybe you could actually look at some examples in reality.
Sweden, Norway, and Denmark at least traditionally, were ethnostates, and were basically characterized by the complete lack of crime and corruption relatively speaking.

It really should just read "anyone who doesn't put America first". Who cares if they're white, black, asian or whatever. It's not where you come from, it's your mindset and while one might determine the other, it shouldn't matter.

Why? Who will pay for it? What motivates that knee jerk reaction?

>Non-xenophobic form of nationalism.

Oh I didn't realize we were discussing myth.

They also constantly warred and conquered one another.

How about Russia? Surely one of those countries you see as 'traditional ethnostates' despite being a mix of multiple different ethnicities at every single point in it's history.

>half English
You understand why I'm asking you to define that right? You realise that true, pure, original indigenous people of the British isles have long gone?

Which is why usually it's brought to simply being white.

>true, pure, original indigenous people of the British isles
England was founded in 1066 by the anglo-saxons

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Or it was basically formalised into the European system or something like that.
A single England existed for a century or two before that, and anglo saxons ruled what we now call England for hundreds of years prior to that.

the only reason shitskins come into this country is to breed with estonian and russian women shifting M/F ratio is a very dangerous thing because people will become naturally jealous and kill anybody who preys on their women

So do you define being English as being able to trace your heritage back to the founding of England on both paternal and maternal sides?

How many generations does it take to be "pure" English if your grandma was not English?

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Can you base any of that on reality?

Not in the 1900s, and this doesn't disprove anything I was saying, those ethnostates were basically very trusting societies with very little crime or societally negative action going on, you're just resorting to some unrelated subject to make it seem like people don't get along and relate better with people similar to them from a shared ethnic and cultural heritage.

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>So do you define being English as being able to trace your heritage back to the founding of England on both paternal and maternal sides?
No

>How many generations does it take to be "pure" English if your grandma was not English?
Who knows?

You can't define everything.
Given specific people and information I could probably tell you "they're english, they're not english, they're more english than he is", etc

You're still not getting it. The left are commies. The very same commies that murdered over 100 million people in the last century.

Ethnonationalism can't work in America since neither "American" nor "white" are an ethnic group.

this is why "white nationalism" takes off in america, because there is no "american", and "white" is the closest thing they can grip onto (a pan-european identity that they've invented for this purpose)

"white" might not have existed if not for america

yes I've seen mixed baby with white grandma and a bm/wf together

Try telling that to ethnonationalists and sjws in America. Both are certain it's attainable and it really is dividing us as a nation.

Is being English more a set of behavioural and cultural characteristics than physical ones?

What would you consider a non white person who has had their family live in England for several generations and has adopted English culture and behaviour to be English?

Or would you say they must leave England?

What about if they were half English and one parent was that of the above?

And that made you want the murder them? Why?

If a German Shepherd is a legitimate breed after only perhaps a hundred years or so, then American can be a legitimate ethnic group after even longer.

Also, white is a legitimate race, being colloquial for Caucasoid.

Civil nationalism is utter fucking garbage, no different at all than the globalist shit being pushed, just a varnish of nationalism applied on it. Even if it was real nationalis, different ethnicities never could come together as one nation, they will always demand their own. We lost over 70% of our clay to this shit

How does civil nationalism compare to, say, fascism?

Then what does it tie it to? By this logic any kebab can walk in, say that they are part if the nation and undermine it by breeding dozens of sandniglets who want their own caliphate

You're probably right, though the phrase "white nationalism" just sounds like a meme to me. American nationalism is inherently civic nationalism, since the American nation is built upon civic participation, not ethnic (if it was ethnic, you wouldn't have Dems/Reps, but ethnic parties for every ethnic group ie the German party, the Irish party, the Anglo party etc.). Whereas "white nationalism" really means "white racialism" or something like that.

>arguing with SJWs
>arguing with stormweenies
kek I wasn't born yesterday m8

>Is being English more a set of behavioural and cultural characteristics than physical ones?
It's mostly genetic

>What would you consider a non white person who has had their family live in England for several generations and has adopted English culture and behaviour to be English?
Not actually English, more English than otherwise

>would you say they must leave
You don't need to make anyone leave, just make the state go back to serving its own people better. The people can make people leave that they don't feel fit in.

The point is that, it's not all fine and dandy. Wars still occur, regardless.

basically that, if you remember that america entirely comes from Europe it makes more sense
they want to distance themselves from the others, but originally they were themselves distanced

I'm not saying "white" isn't a race, of course it's a race, but it's not an ethnicity. This conflation of race and ethnicity is, by the way, the reason people can get away with saying "If you don't like Mexicans, you're racist".

On the first point, on Americans becoming an ethnicity, I don't think you're right because most Americans (from my experience) identify themselves by their ancestral ethnic identities (I'm 1/8 Irish, 1/16 Cherokee etc.), while still accepting American as their national identity. Thus there is no American ethnicity, but there is an American nationality.

no that made me want to make them leave this country, they don't belong here

Fascism promotes and permits one language, heritage, tradition, culture, ethnicity, the people of which are connected by common goals and struggles. Civic nationalism tries to find a lukewarm compromise between many different cultures, ethnicites, etc as above for some goal that all want on some level, but each component will still have their own agenda fighting against eachother. It can't be sustained for long, and even that is hard. It might work to accomplish a single task, but falls apart almost immediately (IF it comes together at all, which didn't really happen so far)

Naturally there is an American nationality, since nation states are literally defined by their geographic borders.

And of course Americans play the fractional ancestry game. That was indoctrinated into us as children by the cultural marxist political left.

BUT that doesn't change the fact that an American breed of white people absolutely does exist.

Nor does your theory account for ethnicities like blacks and mexicans who refuse to identify as national Americans, except peripherally as hyphenated from time to time.

I pretty much agree with this.
Okay, if it's mostly genetic, if people in Britain weren't mostly genetically British but "look" British and call themselves British you're okay with that?

Make them leave as in through violent means or by societal exclusion like what happened with "no Irish, no dogs"?

Were they doing anything wrong other than being in a relationship and having a child?

not spawning their shitskin on africa or sweden in the first place

>Naturally there is an American nationality, since nation states are literally defined by their geographic borders
I think I didn't express myself properly here, of course America has borders and is a nation-state, I was going more along the lines of national identity or nationhood, I dunno...
>And of course Americans play the fractional ancestry game. That was indoctrinated into us as children by the cultural marxist political left.
Intriguing. Didn't know that, always thought it was a spontaneous American cultural phenomenon.
>BUT that doesn't change the fact that an American breed of white people absolutely does exist.
This is where I disagree with you, since American whites are all of European ancestry, the only "American breed of people" are Indians.
>Nor does your theory account for ethnicities like blacks and mexicans who refuse to identify as national Americans, except peripherally as hyphenated from time to time.
That is pure identity politics and also points to a failure of civic nationalism - in that civic nationalism only functions when overt differences between various groups aren't too large; for instance French civic nationalism had no issues integrating Poles or Germans or other Euro immigrants, but it fell apart in regards to Arabs. I believe the same happened in America, with the addition of identity politics further fanning the proverbial flames.

So your only problem was that the child wasn't ethnically full Estonian?

Does it happen very often or why did it upset you so much?
Did you have a romantic interest in the woman?

>assuming this much
I just hate niggers and their spawn

Then how long does it take, according to your hypothesis, for an ethnicity to be created?

Okay, so I guess you don't care if they're ever working or contributing to your country then either.

nope because wages in this country aren't good enough for entitled nigger who gets 3k every month in welfare