Hi, need help.
Whats the difference between an executive order and having to pass something through congress? what can and cant be done? why have congress at all if you can just sign an executive order for everything.
Only recently started following other countries political happenings (British politicians are some of the most boring people imaginable)
Your politicians are quite decent at trash-talking
Bumping cause I'm curious as well, enlighten us burgers
TLDR Version: Executive orders usually are directed towards enforcement of current laws (typically at the discretion of the executive branch) whereas new actual legislation has to be passed through congress.
There are some exceptions to this, but that's the general rule.
Is it true that Obama set a precedent for using it a lot ? Got some examples ?
>decent at trash-talking
i pity the state of your political parties if you think we have witty politicians.
To my understanding it's just an unofficial new rule that applies only to governmental organizations under the executive branches jurisdiction. It's not permanent and the other branches can overthrow it if they choose.
Obama did it alot when he was at war with the republican congress..
have you ever MET or SEEN or HEARD an american before?
obama was fairly average from what i understand. i think he signed like 270-ish orders. bill clinton signed more. i read roosevelt signed about 3000
If you only knew...
then why is is nessesary now? they have it all
It's really scary that americans know next to nothing about how their government works, and have to ask about it on a Taiwanese coloring book forum. Public education is a colossal failure.
They say this but every president since Clinton used them a shit ton. Obama used them more famously to enforce his agenda tho which is why it's so remembered. iirc Ford had the powers mostly stripped from him after Nixon and Clinton was the one to sort of take them back
Executive orders are only OK if a Democrat issues them.
Well first of all i think it is Trumps mindset, he want s to show that he does act fast. Second of all much of his policies are critizised within the GOP.
Congress hasn't started back for the year yet. He wants to get shit done now
with the right having control over all government right now why do these executive orders happen?
isnt it un democratic?
The US Government is divided into three(3) sections
>Judicial(Supreme Court)
>Legislative(Congress)
>Executive(President)
Congress has existing laws that the Presidency must enforce.
Given that, the US Code was passed (which are laws part of our government, some laws are not enforces,and is up to the courts decision to decided if the law is still valid)
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U.S. Code › Title 8 › Chapter 12 › Subchapter II › Part II › § 1182
8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens
(10) Miscellaneous
(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.
law.cornell.edu
]
What Trump has done is enforce the laws passed by Congress and deemed Constitutional by the Supreme Court.
However, there is no official ruling by the Supreme Court and is up to their discretion to possibly overturn it. If they deem it a case and majority rules on favor(keeping the law) then it would be law unless possibly overturned by a full Supreme Court (all 9judges must be in favor)
With only 8 judges currently, its on a limbo state.
Anything happens until Trumps Judge comes into play.
the difference being that Obama used them to sign serious legislation that is usually reserved for Congress
The numbers don't really matter
Its what he used them for
There is a big difference between an executive order about a national park...or universal healthcare
US politicians are entertaining to watch for a number of reasons, whether because theyre funny, or shocking, or blunt, or crude etc. british politics are so stale and sombre and dull. sat in the house of commons once and the number of sleeping MPs was kind of alarming.
>OP's flag
>American
>Israeli education
He did it a lot but they have been used all the time.
In this current case, there is a law on the books that presidents can ban specific groups of people if he feels they represent a threat to our country.
The executive order was just implementing that law.
So executive orders are based on laws or sometimes exploit loopholes in laws.
It is part of our system of checks and balances, congress makes the laws, but judicial can decide if they are legal and executive can decide if or when to enforce.
nr of EO between the different presidents are actually very stablie since Eisenhower. Obama just started signing them frequently when the Obamacare debate was on its highest.
He didn't use them a lot, he just used them inventively to get around a congress that was stonewalling him on literally everything.
OK
How many of you would kys if Sup Forums is gone?
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Congress started on the 3rd. They specifically start earlier than the president in case they have to be the ones to pick him
point taken. i admit im trying to get my head around something i understand very little about
A boatload of them
>not deporting people who broke immigration laws under certain circumstance.
>Pay rate adjustments
>Paid sick leave for federal contractors
>Boatloads of regulations on businesses
you didn't get the message the first time
kill yourself (((shill)))
Shut up.
not really apparently.
But im British...
Basically, executive order tells people who's job it is to enforce existing laws. So Trump isn't passing a new law he's just telling people to do their job.
Executive orders are the president issuing orders to the executive branch (which answers to him) directing them to take specific actions or follow a specific policy, within the confines of existing laws.
For example, Trump can say "existing laws give me the authority to suspend or limit as I see fite immigration of certain groups I deem to be risky, so stop letting people from syria fly into the US".
On the other hand, Trump can't say "repeal the 19th amendment" or "decrease the rate of income tax", those are changes to the law that have to go through congress.
Probably because kikes like you brainwash them from childhood in public schools
Executive Orders are to help the Executive branch enforce the law and enact the President's agenda.
They are not laws. Congress writes the laws.
actually, if we do not take into consideration Bush, Ford and Kennedy, we need to go back to McKinley to find a Pres. that signed less EO.
>failure
>can ask specific questions about their government in a Taiwanese coloring book forum and get specific answers in minutes.
who rescued who?
Congress is the majority in both houses (Senate & House of Representative) but they do not have ABSOLUTE majority, 60 senators (allows Supreme Court judges be passed with no possible way for Democrats to try to deny the pick)
Or
I want to say 66% of 435 of House of Representatives( which could pass laws directly to Senate for Republican legislation to be passed and them signed by Trump)
The EO are enforcing laws already established by Congress
Keep in mind that the Republicans are splintered into factions: Trump supporters, the old establishment, and a small number of libertarians. Introducing Trumpian legislation would demand a vote. For political reasons, nobody wants to be seen voting for or against Trump's agenda because they're not sure if he's a temporary phenomenon or if he's the new direction of the party. And if the Dems are united against a piece of legislation, the libertarian leaning Repubs can leverage their votes if the bill is too intrusive/authoritarian. Bills will still need to be passed, but Trump likes excecuting and nobody is complaining. That's what happens when congress abdicates it's power.
This, i can guess that every survey company in the US is doing polls now on Trumps popularity. No one in GOP will act before it gets around -30%
DACA is a prime example of what is probably an unconstitutional executive order by President Obama. Basically he said the department wouldnt deport ie enforce the law on a certain group of individuals.
>British flag
>Americans
Choose one you greasy kike
executive orders are INTENDED to be orders pertaining to the powers and authority of the Executive Branch, rulemaking, clarifications, etc.
they are not intended to supplant the powers of congress or to enact legislation
Barry Seotoro made executive orders into legislation by fiat, and Trump is rolling that back.
the president has the direct and explicit authority to ban immigration of specific groups (classes) or even to halt ALL immigration entirely if he wishes.
congress gave the president that power, for use in emergencies, when congress is simply too slow.
any executive order congress doesnt like can be rescinded by an act of congress or the passage of a law prohibiting that order's effect.
obongo's executive orders were crafted with identity politics first and foremost in mind, so congress simply doesnt have the balls to rescind them, leaving that burden to The God Emperor, and if congress remains spineless, He will do what is necessary to preserve humanity, secure the warp, and purge the unclean.
What do you base this on? Gut feeling?
>Congress is the majority in both houses (Senate & House of Representative)
Meant *Republicans are the majority in both houses
>Comparing any presidential record to FDR
The man basically appointed himself dictator of the United States. He probably would have run for a fourth term if he hadn't died in '45.
These were helpful, thanks
Problem of course is those same polls said Trump had no chance, so can they be trusted/relied upon?
The point of an executive order is that Congress can't legislate every single tiny little detail. The President is there to fill in the gaps. For example, let's say Congress approves a measure to build a post office in Podunk, Alabama. The bill might include where the post office is to be built and how much money is budgeted to do it. However, the builder comes back to congress and asks "What do you want the post office made out of"? The President could issue an executive order to declare "The post office in Podunk shall be built of bricks".
Executive orders are there to fill in missing details Congress can't be bothered to debate about, hence the President is the head of the "Executive" branch. Congress legislates law, the President executes. When you execute without backing legislation though, that can be seen as abuse of executive privilege. The President has some powers that are explicitly given to them, but issuing executive orders outside of those boundaries is basically illegal and potentially dangerous to the checks and balances.
Definately, he ruled so long that at the end he had the supreme court almost fully appointed by himself.
Obama gets flak from the right bc of the content of his EOs, not the amount. He really stretched the limit on what constitutes a constitutional EO. Ifor any of you are interested enough, look up Charles C W Cooke. He knows his shit on that particular topic, even if he is a never-Trump faggot
Not the poster but DACA. Basically Obama said "Fuck the law I'm not enforcing it".
He did run for a fourth term,he died a couple months or weeks after his won election.
No, not in the aspect of election and the system of electorate. But this a general satisfaction rate of the US as whole. This is the lifeblood and guideline of a presidency. If the popularity is showing decline over time the GOP will react. They will not support a President if they loose the support of their electorate..
obongo's precedent was using executive orders to seize powers held by congress, overturn standing laws, impose his crazy marxist agenda on the country, penalize industries and businesses he didnt like, ship american jobs to foreign lands, and generally fuck shit up.
he didnt write as many as some presidents, he just wrote the WORST ones
he died in april, three months into his fourth term.
JACOB drops a zinger in this clip just after 4:20 but you should watch from about 3:30 to appreciate it. Carry on to the end of the clip just for general entertainment!
>What do you base this on? Gut feeling?
We base it on the comparison between existing law and politics. I assume that since you're hyperemotional that you lack the ability to distinguish the two.
Park bench = already a thing we do
Universal healthcare =/= already a thing we do.
In short, we base it facts that you neglect and use pedantic ignorance of.
> implying Podunk has achieved brick technology
they havent even unlocked that research tree yet.
Its abuse of power
DIGITS
here's an example - Obama EO'd Dept of Homeland Security to "Catch and Release" illegals who commit crimes.
Selective enforcement of a law (like the example above) falls under the umbrella of Prosecutorial Discretion, meaning he can prioritize or deprioritize aspects of enforcing an existing law.
He did that one because he hates red Border States.
See pic if you want to see how many crimes illegals committed in Texas in the past 5 years and remember them when some lib says "illegals don't commit that many crimes!!!!"
you lack basic understanding of your own (non)government. Don't even start until you can get a gdp up that exceeds our smaller states, or at least stops executing people with police after 40 minutes of interrogation.
Sorry, meant fifth.
It's quite similar to the principal of the Royal Perogative or Orders-in-council
still the fourth term, but severed only 3 full terms.
Wow the British House of Commons looks comfy as fuck. Way more informal and "down-to-earth" than our House.
Soccer bitch with That fake ass news
executive orders only applies to the executive branch of government and yes a president can do whatever the fuck he wants because it his administration
two other branches of government checks if executive branch does anything illegal
The executive branch (through executive orders) really only direct the US government to change in some way within the laws. They are easy to write and undo.
Congress passes laws that affect the entire country (based on the scope of the law), and are somewhat vague to allow presidents to issue executive orders within those confines.
Watch this 3minute video
Its probably the only good/funny thing SNL has done in the last 10 years
And it explains exactly why people were mad at king nigger
Executive orders can do anything but are meant to this because when the constitution was written it wasn't expected a cry-baby was going to be elected who used a ton to ban people
WRONG! Since FDR Presidents haven't really used many, drumpf is bringing them back.
The difference is newfag drumpf supporters posting style is like an executive order: shortsighted and easily dismissed. While the oldfag proletariat congress style is organized and supported by the majority; they tend to lurk more. Like the newfag drumpf supporter, the president can ignore the voice of the people and say whatever he wants is law/fact.
t.CTR
is Soros still paying you people?
The closest thing to universal healthcare you have over there is Obamacare and that was passed through Congress if I'm not mistaken.
The number of executive orders does not matter.
It's WHAT the order does that matters
Yet you're an American and can't even answer his question. Moron
>congress
>organized
kys abbo
WRONG! Every executive order is an evil, possibly necessary, but still undemocratic.
Oh no, the joke is on me.
Congress is democratic and actually has American interests, meanwhile the President is trying to satisfy his doners. Please have cancer.
The Executive Branch (President) enforces the law
The Legislative Branch (Congress: House of Reps and Senate) create the laws
The Judicial Branch (Supreme Court) interprets the laws and make sure they are constitutional
Traditionally the most important branch of government was always the Congress...the true representatives of the people who made the laws.
Now everything is all fucked up
The President wields too much power. The Congress is made up of corrupt pieces of shit political hacks. And the Supreme Court is where Presidents pick political judges (((Liberals))) who change the meaning of the constitution
It would have been quicker to wiki google this rather than type it out
He is not writing laws.
All the president can do is making sure laws are applied and he was able to do so much in so little time because laws were not applied.
FUCKING LEAF RUINS A THREAD AGAIN
>Congress
>American interests
LEL like what?
Congress is made up of faggots who are bought and paid for by large donors and special interest groups
Congress is basically made up of prostitutes who only care about
1. Getting rejected
2. Getting more money from special interest groups and major donors
*1. Getting reelected
Why is it called the GOP when it's neither grand nor a banging party?
That chart should be oriented around the number of years the person was in office. For example, FDR wouldn't be top and JFK would be higher. It's still a valid view as it is but the other would be interesting.
Wrong. Congress has our interests but because they have no power anymore they can't express that.
How a Bill becomes a law in the USA
>Citizen has an idea for a new law
>Citizen gets a bunch of his friends to ask their local Congressman to create this new law
>Congressman agrees because he represents these people
>Congressman then creates a bill (an idea for a future law)
>Congressman gets his friends to support bill
>Bill goes to floor of House of Representatives
>Bill gets 2/3rds majority and passes
>Bill now goes to Senate
>same process
>Senate votes on bill
>2/3rds majority approval
>Bill can now become a law
>Bill goes to desk of President to be signed
>If Pres likes he signs and it becomes law
>If President doesn't like the bill he can veto or reject it
>Bill is forced to go back down to House of Representatives and start the entire process over again
>If the bill survives the House and Senate again it automatically becomes a law
>Usually thought the bill will get bogged down and people will turn on it and it will die
I hope you learned something about checks and balances and the US government
You forgot to mention if he's a good president he will not sign or reject the law. It's not the president's job he's suppose to worry about executive branch if Congress passes a law it must be a good law.
Wtf I thought you were are greatest ally
What the fuck are you on about. The shoe insults and the banter of our politicians are world class
i did, and didnt understand what i was reading, so i hoped people here would be able to put it into words i could understand. and they did.
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Well if you have a Republican Congress and King Nigger in charge of the Executive Branch he is just going to threaten to veto everything
Because of some 19th century editorial cartoonist.
It's been pointed out numerous times that the Democratic Party is older, but it's just a meme that most people don't even remember where it came from at this point.
The Founding Fathers would face-palm so hard. The President can have opinions but Congress represents the people more than him.
You fucking leaf faggot have no clue obviously on what President Trump is doing. Defending America is more of a priority than letting your shitskin terrorist buddies in.