Why isn't this ban a muslim ban? Tell me

"religious minorities" are an exception from the ban. So then, this discriminates against Muslims, correct? As those 7 countries are all muslim majority.. Please prove me wrong

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13 countries give the death penalty for athiesm. They are all muslim countries. get fucked.

what the fuck is this true?

Are Christians allowed to come from those countries?
>no
Then it's not a muslim ban.

I'm not talking about the countries that give death penalty for atheism. That's irrelevant. I'm talking about the immigration ban.

Someone link the full executive summary, it says "religious minorities" are an exception

It's a ban on people specifically from countries identified by the US as high-risk in 2016 (plus Syria). If it were a Muslim ban, it would ban Muslims from the UK and Germany.
It also stipulates that exceptions are allowed, so the actual doctors and engineers will probably still be let in, they'll just have to go through some more paperwork.

>"religious minorities" are an exception from the ban.
I can't find this anywhere in the text of the executive order. All I see is "excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas".

Ok let's put it this way. You're saying the ban is for members of religion X from entering the United States. The countries that are stated in the ban are majority religion X countries. What you're forgetting however, is that if you're a member of religion X and you're not from any of the countries listed in the ban, you are allowed to enter the United States. A member of religion X from Singapore is allowed to travel to USA. So if a subset of religion X aren't allowed by the effects of the ban, yet another set of religion X are allowed, how is this a ban on religion X?

"Muslim ban" that doesn't ban Indonesia is not a muslim ban. The country with the largest muslim population isn't even relevant to the discussion.

"Arab ban" doesn't apply either. Many arab states are not on the list.

There is no unifying aspect of the list other than the corrupt and failed states that sponsor a lot of terrorism.

Which was the point.

Actually, the 7 banned countries are taken directly from Obamas "countries of concern" list. Trump just chose to go full ban instead of harsher visa laws.

>Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality. Where necessary and appropriate, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall recommend legislation to the President that would assist with such prioritization.
>Notwithstanding the temporary suspension imposed pursuant to subsection (a) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the admission of such individuals as refugees is in the national interest -- including when the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality facing religious persecution, when admitting the person would enable the United States to conform its conduct to a preexisting international agreement, or when the person is already in transit and denying admission would cause undue hardship -- and it would not pose a risk to the security or welfare of the United States.

>tl;dr we can still admit refugees from these countries on a case-by-case basis, for reasons including being a religious minority in a country where religious minorities are persecuted

Not the same as exempting people from the ban on the basis of being religious minorities.

Muslims are garbage

because you're still allowed to come from Saudi Arabia so it cant be racist

Because it doesn't include 90% of muslims.

It's unclear. Are refugees being let in, even during this ban, based on being a religious minority?

Bans Muslims a few days before latest attack in Canada. So much win.

It's based on if they will kill you for your belief or not

There's a difference between visiting the US (which nobody from these countries outside of certain visa holders can do) and being allowed to apply to become a refugee in the US (religious minorities will be put at a higher point in the queue when processing refugee applications).

It only disproportionately affects Muslims because Muslims have killed everybody not Muslim in those countries.

Apparently, that's the sort of behavior you are eager to import.

He wants to protect minorities. Do you have something against minorities?

To be a refugee you must apply in the first safe country you come to. So none of those refugees are real. They are parasites at best.

Indonesia the largest Muslim country in the world has a well known purge of atheists back in the day. To this day when you enter the country they ask your religion. And if you say atheist...you're in for a bad time

Thanks for the replies. Still uncertain, are refugees still being allowed here during the ban, or is that text referring to after the 90 day ban?

Who cares? Trump is going to make anime real.

abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

>Several dozen suspected terrorist bombmakers, including some believed to have targeted American troops, may have mistakenly been allowed to move to the United States as war refugees, according to FBI agents investigating the remnants of roadside bombs recovered from Iraq and Afghanistan.

>The discovery in 2009 of two al Qaeda-Iraq terrorists living as refugees in Bowling Green, Kentucky -- who later admitted in court that they'd attacked U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- prompted the bureau to assign hundreds of specialists to an around-the-clock effort aimed at checking its archive of 100,000 improvised explosive devices collected in the war zones, known as IEDs, for other suspected terrorists' fingerprints.

This should activate the almonds of your kikebook friends

Just wondering, legit question, I thought no immigration/refugees at all were allowed during this ban

The US doesn't have the same issues that Europe does. Outside of South-American refugees who travel to the US through the Mexico border seeking asylum, it's rare for "first safe country" thing to be an issue.
The US typically processes refugees within or near the conflict area. The people who become refugees from, for example, Syria, stay in Syria (or Jordan refugee camps, etc.) during the application process and are flown directly from Syria to the US after being accepted.
The retarded European system of just letting everyone in who manages to reach the shore, trusting them to not disappear, and trying to round up the ones who have failed their applications off of their own streets is not applied in the US.

Atheism is Satanism. The only thing stopping some people from doing evil things is the idea that God will hold them to account for it, or there will be some kind of karmic penalty.

I think the language is a bit vague, but from the intent of the executive order, I would say that refugee admissions are probably also suspended. That's just my own speculation, though.

A 2010 poll by Pew Research Center showed that 30% of the population in Indonesia agree with administering the death penalty for leaving Islam.[13]

>Moderate Islam

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism_in_Indonesia

That's some kindergarten level morality, user

>Sanctuary cities.
No of course its not the same.

>The only thing stopping some people from doing evil things is the idea that God will hold them to account for it, or there will be some kind of karmic penalty.

And that has shit all to do with whether or not God exists.

Also bullshit. t. honorable atheist

Because there are 50 muslim countries, retard.

Illegal immigration and refugee policy are separate issues. The refugees in Europe are admitted legally prior to vetting. Illegal immigrants are undesirable from the start.

Upside-down pentagram in background. I'm sure it's nothing. No crazy occult shenanigans going on here!

He's literally using a loophole to achieve his publicly stated goal of banning muslims.


Like it or not it is unconstitutional.

>Illegal immigrants are undesirable from the start.
All of them are worthless.

To put it another way, illegal immigration in the US is an unfortunate consequence of underfunded border security and insufficient allocation of judges to adjudicating the cases of South American refugee applicants, and there now exists a political engine to severely reduce it.

By contrast, Europe's refugee policy is working as intended.

LOL I love how these fucking blood suckers literally call for our death... then 2 seconds latter try to debate technicalities within our law system. I mean, what sort of legit mentally ill mother fucker do you have to be in order to seriously sit there with a straight face believing you're being taken seriously.

Holy shit man.... this is differential a 'middle eastern' semitic personality trait. The amount of hypocrisy and self-centered delusion is just..... wow.

We're SO evil and bad... yet they will do anything to live along aside us????

hahhahahaha

Where did he state he was going to ban Muslims?

Religious minorities are given priority status as refugees once the refugee program is restarted. As of now, the program is suspended and no one, muslim or otherwise, is coming in.

Read the EO

assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3431098/THEWHITEHOUSE.pdf

I can't even the process the insanity it takes to think like these middle eastern people and their supporters. It really is like a type of parasite thinking. So fucking weird.

I can't say it enough! I just keep repeating it over and over in my head trying to logically make sense of it out. You can't do it.

They hate us so much.... yet they want to live with us.
They hate us so much.... yet they want to live with us.
They hate us so much.... yet they want to live with us.
They hate us so much.... yet they want to live with us.
They hate us so much.... yet they want to live with us.

??????????????????????????????????????? my mind can't compute such levels of retardation. They are legit fucking parasites.

One major progressive outlet of ours just unironically posted a "12 banned muslims' stories that will make you go fuck borders n shieet" article.

Your Fedora is going to burn in Hell.

>They hate us so much.... yet they want to live with us.

No, they want to take over. They dont want you. They want what you have. Just like invaders always have done throughout history.

Not really hard to understand.

There are mobs of fucking people screaming "America was never great" and "fuck white supremacy"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then they start debating about the technicalities of our Constitution?????????

WTF???????????????????????

This stupidity is some powerful shit man..... My mind is literally shutting down because they are so stupid. Holy shit this was the plan all along.
We're being taken down by weaponized stupid people. The Chinese are laughing their asses off watching all this go down.

Even if that provision did amount to a de facto Muslim ban, it's severable from the rest of the Executive Order. So the exception would go and the rest would stay. Great job libs, you barred religious minorities from coming here.

And this is the crux pf thr issue with """refugees""""" in Europe and the ones that wanted to come here.

They aren't refugees.
They are invaders.
The people that want this cannot name them what they are because then they would be forced to actually think about it.

Less intelligent people need religions to behave the right way, that's true. But that does not mean that everyone need to be religious just to make them happy.

Pascal's false dichotomy.

islam isn't a religion.

when all major islamic schools mandate the death penalty for leaving islam, Islam loses the right to be treated like a religion.

They're a religion, just a bad one.