Serious question here:

Serious question here:

Can any of you give me an actual good argument as to why the borders of the united states should not be 100% secured?

and by that I mean only accepting refugees and immigrants that we are 99.999% sure aren't terrorists and building a border wall along our southern border to stop illegal immigration from Mexico.

Can any of you make that argument?

and before you try to say the wall is too expensive or ineffective I would just say this. the highest estimates for the wall are 14Billion. you realize the US government spends that on accident every week right? it really is like a middle class person spending 5 dollars for a sandwich. its nothing. and as far as being ineffective. who cares? even if it was 50% effective it would pay for itself over the next ten years. and like I said, its cheap. so even if it didnt work at all in any way it isnt that big of a deal.

im just trying to understand.

how can anyone be agaisnt this?

it has always been my suspicion that leftists actually hate america and want to see it fail. so maybe thats the reason.

idk. i jsut dont know. i would feel a lot better if i just could see one valid argument against it.

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Uh, there are arguments to be made concerning the wildlife and whatnot in the area.

but other than that, i dont think you'll get much more than "muh poor oppressed beaners an shieeet"

Leftists are pretty simple, they'll indirectly destroy the USA by virtual signalling and being "nice" to everyone because of some inherent racist viewpoint on minorities.

And they only do this virtue signalling because the kikes in the media and hollywood have convinced them this is what people will like you for, by being an ignorant preachy cunt people will like you, because its "mainstream" or some shit

The funny part is, it never effects them directly so they'll never understand what exactly their actions are doing to people.

>Can any of you give me an actual good argument as to why the borders of the united states should not be 100% secured?

100% secured is impossible. A 30 foot high wall would simply create a market for 31 foot ladders.

Because Mexicans have a right to be able to live a good life and if that means coming to the USA, so be it. They're hard working people and want to provide for their family, who are you stop them from living a comfortable life? You can't just not let people in, that's discrimination.

that is your argument? you realize the wall would be patrolled and have cameras correct? i mean obviously you can scale any wall. even if it were a mile high you could fly over it. what is your point?

by 100% secure, you've made the realization that there's "more" or "less" security. You're half way there. Then there's the concept of diminishing returns. put two and two together and you now have the basis of creating an argument, one which would argue that attempting absolute and total security of our border will become onerous and burdensome.

Literally just a 90 day temporary ban while we get a 100% vetting mechanism

What do you mean "Mexicans have a right"

what gives them that right?

is it a god given right? how do you know?

Do I have the right to go to china and live there and then wander into north korea and back and forth and just wander around and so on?

how about your house? can i just come into your house? maybe you have a nice house and i live in a shithole. so i have the right to come and live in your house right?

idk what you mean. even 50% better would be a fine and noble cause

what about it?

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>and by that I mean only accepting refugees and immigrants that we are 99.999% sure aren't terrorists

This is the wrong way to go about fighting terrorism. If you try constantly plug specific "movie plot" threats, terrorists will simply move on to new ones. The refugee process is already too hard to penetrate, so terrorists don't use it. The way you stop terrorism is by not making assumptions about how the attack will happen; you stop it with intelligence. You identify the terrorists, cut off their funding, and arrest them

Because we are one race: the human race

We should be building bridges not walls

>Patrolling 2000 miles of trackless desert.

Or they could sneak in on the back of a truck. The wall won't do shit.

That and the wall represents obvious law breaking now. It's not a shitty half fence or line in the sand. Clearly it's a giant wall, clearly you're invading, giving the US the advantage legally when it comes to them being shot down or violently removed. Remember too, were talking about ms-13, cartels-all people who recruit ex Marines (and gang members are known to be paid to join up and defect to train other members with OUR training methods)

The families and shit will never be harmed. We couldn't get away with shooting children. But a long with being better than a shitty fence, symbolically it doesn't just look like it's just there to walk into.

>Have a right

No, they don't.

They're Mexican, just like you're Canadian. Fix your own fucking country. You have a right to make Your country a nice place to live.

>What if all the US citizens suddenly flooded every other nation and started fucking it up

No other nation is as accepting as us. Even nice guys have a bad, and when they do, it's fuckin ugly

Mexicans have a right to come to the USA (or anywhere) if they want to. The only thing stopping them is socially constructed restrictions of what makes a person worth of entry. And no one should be able to make that decision except God himself since we're all valuable in our own ways. They have talents and offerings to give and it would be racist to say they couldn't come into the US if they want to help make it a better country.

Ok dumbass build a bride to us and Mexico and share our debt and mix our currency and fuck your own shit up Canada. Maybe being surrounded by Americans will teach you why being a liberal only works in a perfect world

>secure entire national perimeter
>people can still paradrop from 50miles up
3D borders when?

Do we mean to say that there are rights that ought to be denied to people for certain reasons or maybe no reasons, or that the concept of rights is bunk?

The United States is absolutely entitled to choose who to allow within its borders
100% in favour of the US getting choosy and picky
Defend it or lose it
US is lucky it has Trump
The entire world wants Trump to come fix their merchant-destroyed countries
Count your lucky stars, US. You are very lucky to have Trump. He's the best decision American voters have made for 100 years at least

Why do we need to spend billions on a symbol?

If you want to live in a maximum security, then go to prison . Otherwise, enjoy your freedom.

Do it.
A large portion of us also hate border-jumpers
Just don't make us pay for that shit, or pay half and build one in our south too.

So can a homeless man move into your house?

if you say yes, you are a troll

if no. why not?

Dude you're a genius. Delet this lol don't let paco in on new ways in

>identify the terrorists
>arrest them

Literally what the immigration freeze is for. we have bad intelligence in those countries, especially Syria. Source: Comey.

You're a retard.

seismic sensors

ground-level radar

UAV patrols

businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-is-building-a-600-mile-great-wall-to-shield-from-isis-2015-1

Anti-wallers have a shit argument. Basically, they're saying you shouldn't wear insect repellent because it only repels 95% of insects.

>not an argument.

I think we need to figure out how many people are coming in illegally through our front door vs some random ass deserted area, before we build a wall

I've heard that many people come from Mexico on Temporary work visas and never move out because the government is too pulled thin to kick them out

Earth to faggot

What planet are you on?

the concept of rights is bullshit.

rights only exist if you personally have the ability to defend them.

if aliens invaded tomorrow your "rights" dont fucking exist.

so yeah. they are bullshit

You're skewing the meaning of a right

Do I have an absolute right to be allowed into my neighbor's house? Whether he wants me there or not? Fuck no

I'm not against secured borders or a wall, the fucking point is Americans think the world is theirs.

If any country, just ANY country would ask a visa to enter their country, Americans will get mad, and demand that country to be punished. If a country would put tariffs in their products, they will appeal and take the case to an international court, because you are crybabies.

You complain that mexicans send rapists and criminals, but during springbreak I see only druggies drunk retarded american kids, that had no shame and puke, pee and make a mess in the streets. I never seen a sober or sane american during springbreak. Every corporation that you send (Walmart, McDonalds, etc...) has been caught bribing and buying politicians, and we don't deport them for commiting crimes, If we do it, you will get mad, and cry.

If they really need help then yes they can because we all need to work together and help each other in need. Jesus said to love our neighbours and show compassion. It's probably not his fault he's homeless anyways, the banks probably took his house away and the greedy corporations and 1% don't want to give him a job because they want to oppress the population and make everyone stupid with floruide in the lakes.

Yup. My gf is a bernout... she thinks America should pay for what's it's done to central Ans South America etc.

It would be billions going back in the form of jobs and economic growth wouldn't it? For once American money I work to pay will go back to my pockets. I'm also from Houston so I guess you won't have that incentive...

But yeah, and then the billions saved on the ones kicked out and because the wall will at LEAST slow traffic and promote becoming a citizen the correct way. Like my grandparents lol we did it, why can't they?

Ignore that faggot.... Sometimes I think all these retarded leafs are all just one person shitting all over the place

The 14th amendment and the Federalist Papers make it pretty clear that protecting a citizenry's god-given rights is the duty of their respective governments.

Philosophically, Mexicans still retain their right to free speech and whatnot, but it's the duty of the Mexican government to defend it, not the US government.

What have we done but give billions in aid every year?

you know they killed Jesus right? Lucky for him he was the son of God.

>And no one should be able to make that decision except God himself since we're all valuable in our own ways.

Made me literally LOL.

great. I know ten black people in Toronto that are refugees from Darfur, they havent been vetted whatsoever. i am willing to relocate them to your house free of charge.

please post your address so i can send them your way.

if not you are a troll

If you make it more difficult fewer will make it across.
There's no good reason to just give up on border security. Just keep working to make it better.

I'll spell it out for you, stupid libshit. The US shouldn't have any borders as the entire world could easily be the dominion of the US, but feeble minded hippie scum like you hunger for the meager crumbs dropped by libshits. Fuck off to your kumbaya circles and await your culling in WWIII. A wall is a waste of resources as nukes are cheaper and more effective, but you libshits don't have the intelligence to understand this simple truth.

i can do it in 10 seconds.
>trump is hitler
>trump makes wall
>wall is hitler

>Mexicans have a right to come to the USA (or anywhere) if they want to.
except they dont. canadian education gettin loose

>If any country, just ANY country would ask a visa to enter their country

That's how shit works everywhere, pancho.

They aren't coming to help us, they're coming to help themselves to a bit of what we have and take it back.

As a concrete contractor I can tell you if we built a wall like in your picture, which we should, Would be in the trillions of dollars. Maybe in the low hundreds of billions somehow but probably not.

>even if it was 50% effective it would pay for itself over the next ten years.
Illegal immigrants still pay taxes.

> who cares?
You obviously do.

>14Billion
Why can't we invest thins money into more useful infrastructure, a public option for healthcare, or alleviating the student debt crisis, if it is so easy to come by?

>Literally what the immigration freeze is for. we have bad intelligence in those countries

Meanwhile, we give terrorists the world over proof that the West has it out for Islam in general. This is the dumbest, most racist possible way to do this

>Source: Comey.
Comey is Trump tool. Trump makes people lie to prove loyalty like the fascist he is. Also, he's the FBI director; overseas intelligence is not his job.

I believe there is a way to combat the obnoxious fucking amount of leaf posting that goes on here.

Indian posters have been permanently btfo on this site with the poo in loo meme. It never fails whenever that flag is seen. It's pretty much a hardwired subconscious tick to think 'poo' when we see that flag now.

We've tried to do the same with Canadians and the fucking leaf meme.
But it doesn't work the same.
Canadian posters have embraced the fucking leaf meme just like Americans embraced the burger meme.
Canadian posters rejoice in the (you)s. They crave them. Even if it's just 8 replies of
>A fucking leaf

What we need to do is simply ignore Canadian posters.
Whenever you see that flag, don't reply to them. Don't give them the (you) they want.
If you see a thread was created by a leaf, don't reply to it.

The only way to stop this shit is to absolutely ignore them at all costs.
We need to spread this plan.

STOP REPLYING TO CANADIANS

Ok. How about 10? 29? 300?

The original guy gets to stay? That's not fair.

No they just keep walking in and out of your house. I mean yeah you're at work all day but they keep wrecking shit and eating your food causing you to have to buy more.


You're now borrowing money to pay for your "6pm-??? " party

Now they won't leave. And you gave away all your guns. Go ahead...call the cops racist bigot. Kick those innocent people out on the streets.
"Awful man kicks out homeless refugees because he's a big meanie racist Hitler clone"

You're fucking with nature. Watch as bees and butterflies will no longer be able to fornicate the flowers and all your fruit goes rotten.

>America should pay for what's it's done to central Ans South America
I don't think they sould pay us or pay anyone at all.

But they should stop messing and getting into other countries politics and goverments.

Irak has a tyrant or dictator ruling them? Fine by them, Does Venezuela has a socialist in charge? That's ok, Does Nicaragua has an violent soldier as president? Fine. But Americans likes to send their "freedom" to the world, and like to finance, guerillas, Coup d'etat, terrorist and even drug cartels, as long as it goes with their "freedom" agenda.

CIA, FBI, Pentagon and the whole government should stick their hands in their own country and leave the other countries.

It's trolling everyone, stop freaking out.

nobody is projecting that. average is 12billion and high end is 14.

The main reason they are against it is because leftists and DNC elites WANT as many Mexicans as possible to come here, because they vote for Democrats.

There is literally no argument against it, because it's an enforcement of Federal immigration law.

They should be honest and say they just want to erase the immigration restrictions and let Mexicans come here like it's nothing. The problem is they are often Yankees who live 2,000 miles away in an 95% white upper-class suburb, and they don't give a shit if border state citizens get murdered by Mexican gangs.

I don't think myself alone can help those people, plus there's no room in my dorm. That's why we give to charity, we give money to companies like red Cross and they give the money to the refugees and poor so they can buy houses and food. The refugees need it the most because Americans went in there and stole their homes and started wars over oil and power and now they have no where to go. Europe is very nice to let them in but I don't think they have the money to pay for all of them but I think if taxes are higher everything will be fine. The same thing can happen here but rules are too strict and doesn't allow for perfectly good refugees running from war to enter the country. Who knows they could be doctors and end up saving your life?

>seismic sensors
>ground-level radar
>UAV patrols

None of which will stop a 18-wheeler going through border control with the right paperwork. This is an expensive boondoogle, and it won't even work.

Illegal immigrants are both a national security threat and a drain on the economy. I'm sure the limousine liberals love to be able to pay their gardeners tree fiddy an hour, but as a nation, we have to be able to control who comes into this country.

>>I don't think myself alone can help those people

you just said they have the RIGHT to your house if they want to live there.

POST ADDRESS NOW.

>bees and butterflies
>in the fucking desert

They check the interior of the trucks with X-rays.

>expensive

Less than 1% of the US annual budget.

Reminder that you're kvetching over less than 1% of the US annual budget because you can't admit you're addicted to nigger cum.

No matter what we all have what each other needs. At that level it becomes tribe vs tribe and unfortunately if you have oil,gas,PlayStations,cars,clothes etc. And we need it...Were going to take it. People with your ethnicity come here to do the same so you can't say it's just an American thing to pilage and plunder

I just think that if the terrorists want to send a rogue guy over, or group of guys, to do some damage, it's much easier to sneak in through Mexico with the beaners.

Like, what do people think is going to happen, Muhammed the terrorist is going to show up to Ellis Island with a towel around his head and all black clothing so we'll catch him? Why wouldn't they sneak through the border?

If protecting ourselves offends people in this country then so be it. But if it offends people of another country, holy fucking shit fuck do I not care about their feelings.

You maybe are confusing Visa with passport, they are 2 different things. So far Mexico requires Visa to travel to 65 countries, but they don't require a Visa (Just the normal passport) to visit the rest of them.

>Meanwhile, we give terrorists the world over proof that the West has it out for Islam in general. This is the dumbest, most racist possible way to do this

We don't have is out for Islam, we have it out for Isis.

>Comey is Trump tool. Trump makes people lie to prove loyalty like the fascist he is. Also, he's the FBI director; overseas intelligence is not his job.

Clapper has also spoke about gaps in the screening process. We should listen to our intelligence right? Didn't they save us from The Russians? lol

You are never 100% safe. Your family, friends, anyone can be dangerous. Borders and bans will not limit this because those two groups commit crimes at lower rates than your fellow citizens. Until you accept this, you will never feel safe.

>If protecting ourselves offends people in this country then so be it.

see: The people who keep trying to prevent Mexican border security are hipsters from Vermont.

I live in Texas, and I actually know what criminal spics are like. They are rats.

>not letting them into our country makes them want to blow us up more

A FUCKING BURGER

My only real argument is the ecosystems that it will affect, but thats just subjective to me. I love animals and shit, so watching habitats destroyed by constructions kindof upsets me, and i havent really seen any proposals to make migration gap, but id rather have a safe and prosperous than help ensure two turtles can fuck on two different sides of a stream

Why don't you go live on the border then?

Go be a rancher on the unsecured border while Mexican narcos squat on your land, then you can bitch about walls hurting your feelings.

You bourgeois urbanites need to have your skulls cracked.

One illegal drug dealer selling meth over a period of two years. CREATING meth heads and addicts which I'm assuming covers the "fellow citizen crime" pretty well

Like you said, we already have shitty Americans, we're short on room, why in any case INVITE MORE PEOPLE that create worse people?

>soap only kills 99.9% of bacteria, its a waste because it doesn't eliminate all the bacteria

>soap only kills 99.9% of bacteria
That's not how soap works, filthy hippie scum.

>illegal aliens pay taxes.

Ha ha ha. ha. You're so 2015 with these arguments!

14 billion is a good chunk of change even to the government. Think of it this way. What would keep america safer, a border wall or 3 additional aircraft carriers. I'm personally for securing our borders, but its not a value as far as defence goes. A fleet of drones would be more effective and cost less.

Nukes are cheaper.

>Implying border wall lowers drug trafficking.
Have you heard of a new invention called ladders user. Only way to stop drug crime is decriminalizing drugs which Sessions will not do.
>Implying wall and ban will root out terrorists and criminals.
I was 16 once too. Good times.

>illegal aliens pay taxes.
They do, they have to pay for services, food, transportation and stuff they consume.

Just a reminder the normal blue collar worker pay more taxes than the majority of millionaires who evade taxes.

Please hang yourself.

You have a point. Just nuke the border into a literal no mans land.

>They check the interior of the trucks with X-rays.

ching, ching, ching Man, this thing is getting pricier, and meanwhile terrorists are just going to start forging documents or find some other way in.

>Less than 1% of the US annual budget.

Yeah, I think most estimates low-ball the cost *significantly* This will cost trillions before we're done.

well the jews solved 95% of their hadji problem with their wall.

The Turks are solving it with their wall.

The Saudis are solving it with their wall.

If walls dont work, then why no just leave your door wiiiiide open from now on ok?

I don't have a single argument

Let's start building the Canadian border wall as soon as possible

>We don't have is out for Islam, we have it out for Isis.

So to prove it, we're going to ban everyone who is Muslim,

Actually soap does kill most gram negative bacteria and a number of gram positive types as well.

>muh sales tax argument

Retarded beaner.

This is so ignorant and I'm so tired of hearing it. Sounds really "nice" - it's really catchy. Completely avoids reality. We're two different places with two different governments.

>mexican intellectual
they don't pay federal taxes, the ones that try have to steal identities to do so.
Just a reminder that the millionaires pay majority of taxes
>In 2014, people with adjusted gross income, or AGI, above $250,000 paid just over half (51.6%) of all individual income taxes, though they accounted for only 2.7% of all returns filed,
pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/13/high-income-americans-pay-most-income-taxes-but-enough-to-be-fair/

That's a waste of money. Nuke the major population centers and strategic targets of Mexico, send in some cleanup crews, and auction off the spoils. Cheap, permanent, and it will pay for itself.

how many terrorist have gone thru the border faggot?

I'd still rather have another aircraft carrier than a wall that will pose only a minor inconvenience to drug traffickers. The money that going to have to be spent patrolling and maintaining the wall would be better spent just increasing the amount of border patrol agents.

>trillions

You're a dumbfuck, you might as well say gorillians. I'm not surprised you have no concept of money or value.

They're already been using x-ray stations at the border.

Which is missing the point, in that it's primary effectiveness lies in it's ability to remove bacteria and other microorganisms from the skin.

I don't really give a fuck what you want.

Also, you're wrong about it being ineffective.

See Israel and South Korea.

>complain they don't pay taxes
>shown they actually do
BUT, BUT IT'S NOT THE KIND OF TAXES I WANT THEM TO PAY.... MUH FREEDOM AND TAXES!!!!!!

Liberal arguments

>muh feelings
>muh munny
Even though they want to raise taxes
>think of the famblees!
>no one wants to do those jobs
>muh racism

Your an idiot, and that's not even remotely what's happening. Switch off the TV and switch on your brain.

How about we just leave our doors open when someone can just break it down anyway?