Debate thread

Which method is more effective at controlling the masses?

The one they're already using.

Both are equally represented in different parts of western society.

BNW because its imbedded in their dna

Brave new world. Look at pot, it turns people liberal.

A blend of the two, which is exactly what we have now.

BNW

fear vs pleasure as a motivater

Both are applicable; however, without getting into schematics it roughly depends on the situation. >'84 for fear mongering and war propaganda
>Huxley does a representation with media and consumerism.

its sort of both. left and right wing like to fight it out on which they want

BNW

People aren't manipulated because they are too weak to fight back. They allow it and ignore loss of their freedoms because their comfortable lives are too enjoyable to fight the status quo.

BNW. Enslaving people with pleasure and entertainment is so much better than by overt tyranny. In BNW people aren't even aware of their enslavement, but in 1984 people are all too aware.

I'd argue since the world is in the process of switching from the left to the right at the moment we look more like BNW

Think outside the box and realize they are equally using both concurrently. Mixing them together keeps the Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt High among the sheep.

Huxley.

North Korea is the only truly Orwellian state left; but most of the world is looking more and more like Brave New World.

An amalgam of the two.

We have the Orwellian surveillance and perpetual war and the Huxleian Bread & Circuses.

As long as we're fed and entertained, we don't give a shit if Big brother measures the weight and consistency of our poop to check to see if we ate a secret message.

both then it leans off the cliff with brave new world

Objectively according to their settings, Brave New World.

1984 has a large Prole population who are hostile to authority, and the Party has to maintain order by bombing their own cities and sustaining a constant total war. We also never see outside Airstrip One, so it's possible that Oceania is an isolated North Korea type state. There's also some evidence of organized resistance movements, though it's up in the air whether they actually exist.

Brave New World doesn't have any of this. They maintain order without the threat of violence and have a docile population. They also control the entire Earth.

the political Pendulum just reached the height of the left and is swinging to the right. its possible that we might see some more 1984 soon

The only evidence was of a controlled false resistance

BNW

Would bnw lead to 1984?