I love Trump and I think he has great potential to lead America onto the PATH to libertarianism, but this whole 7 nation ban is a little questionable.
I'm the son of an Iranian immigrant who escaped the 79 revolution and whose family has been subject to religious persecution at the hands of Islamic autism, so I'm not a Muslim apologist. I think all religion is the same cult of bullshit. Get kids while they're young believing in lies and submitting their free will to a "higher power" instead of actually possessing morality.
I believe in economic isolationism and open borders, meaning no trade with other nations so we don't support political/economic/social beliefs we don't employ ourselves (Saudis), but we allow anyone to come here. My hope for this ban is for them to figure out that what has held our country back in recent decades, and what has caused Europe so much grief, is the combination of an inherently evil, but even more deadly welfare state in tandem with lax immigration laws.
The KKK had it right when they claimed there was a culture war for "Americanism", but they were the unintended subjects of their own criticism. Unwilling to cooperate with other, benign, functional members of society simply due to slight cultural differences. They were not "the change" they sought after, as Ghandi would have put it.
Whether or not the followers of Islam are peaceful or not is a moot point. We are not at war with one religion, but any dogmatic systems, such as liberalism AND far-right theological nonsense.
This is a culture war. The only way to ATTRACT the proper-minded citizens to this nation is to not intervene with the sand niggers. Leave them be. Cut off welfare to EVERYONE. Open our borders, and free our economy, so that all may thrive on the American dream, given they put in the work, and they will work, because that is what made this country great. Leave the "entitlements" and charity to the community. *continued*
Caleb Carter
You have to go back.
Wyatt Butler
Terrorism is not a threat to America. It is a threat to the victims of crony capitalism. It is a threat to the victims of those who fund and create conflict within radical, unstable zones, after intentionally destabilizing them, then using their weakness and the strength of the US military to steal their resources. The military is a private army for those with much to gain from conflict. Bomb ISIS? Perhaps not. Cut our losses and leave the world to destroy itself? Much more promising. We will be the capitalist city on a hill once again. Where individuals have the rights, and not the majorities. Where the laws that are rooted in fundamental, self-evident human rights, are unabridged, and power is checked by the people as the founders intended.
In conclusion, I hope this ban gives Trump and the new admin a chance to comprehend the reality of the crony system, but I have my doubts. How are you feeling about it?
Brandon Cook
To Texas? Already here, bud.
Jaxon Garcia
>Iranian >Texan
Fuck off shitskin.
8 more years.
Wyatt Anderson
You must be a Newfie. Have fun in Commieda.
Kayden Hill
>7 nation
In that list of 7 countries probably only 2 nations
Levi Turner
killyourself homo
David Johnson
Not a newfie but to be clear on racial facts white newfies > shitskin iranians.
Luke Stewart
>Open our borders, and free our economy, so that all may thrive on the American dream,
Christian Robinson
Not gonna lie, former Trump voter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Trump crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes.
Evan Fisher
If you're already here and you're already legal Trump literally couldn't care less about you.
Anthony Anderson
fark year. No one attacks a non-interventionist, anti-welfare, pro-gun nation. Switzerland is KINDA close to this, and they're doing quite well.
Carter Ortiz
Yeah, I know. That wasn't the point at all. I was born here. My dad and his family are actual refugees. My gparents still live in Iran, which is kinda fucked for them cause they can't come here as easy now, but I just HOPE it's for the best.
Carson Carter
Yea i say that it should have been at least 14 nation ban. You ctr cuck
Jace Reyes
>00000000 not secure enuf pls change >p@ssword
Camden Hernandez
Can someone answer this for me? Why do brown and black people go to white countries are they too lazy to fix their own shitholes? Do they like to leech off of the white man.
Isaac Morales
>ctr cuck yea totally a clinton shill here spewing my run of the mill liberal nonsense uhuh loud and clear
Jaxon Rivera
The greatest unions/empires are those that expand with bilateral consent. Having a strong economic platform with great opportunity for all people is important to luring in other nations to willingly join said union.
Jose Evans
well to be fair, in the case of iran its because we refuse to stop fucking with their economy in order to please israel, who survives off being a welfare leech. it actually blows my mind that iran is still such a regional power despite us doing our best to cripple them. clearly theocracies inspired by Platonic systems of government have some merit.
James Moore
I'm Iraqi Christian, I love Trump's ban whether it ends up affecting me or not. I mean I wouldn't want to go to burgerstan even if you paid me. Also OP, Iran is a terrorist state as bad as Saudi Arabia if not worse, you're family are probably good people, but it doesn't change the fact that the Iranian government are terrorists and most Iranian people support khamenei, no matter how much Iranian-American trolls insist "iran dindu nuffin". I just hope Trump adds Israel to the list to piss the kikes off, but we know that won't happen cause he's a kike himself sadly.
Oh well
Jaxson Gutierrez
I was with you until you mentioned you believe in open borders.
Anyway, Trump's ban is poorly-executed (especially banning current green card holders).
However, I think he did it this way for one very simple reason: the moment you start allowing exemptions from the ban, you hand the power back to the enormously powerful NGOs and their legal experts. They'll easily overpower the American state because they have nearly infinite resources and because many of the judges are compromised. The result is that you'll see "bad" Muslim back on American soil in no time, and they'll do it silently because there is absolutely no way to reliably vet which people are possible threats (the alphabet agencies have admitted to this several times).
Matthew Reyes
> I love Trump and I think he has great potential to lead America onto the PATH to libertarianism, but > I love trump, BUT
shill confirmed
sage
Josiah Barnes
multiculturalism doesn't work. no thanks.
Colton Parker
na·tion ˈnāSH(ə)n/ noun a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory. "leading industrialized nations" synonyms: country, sovereign state, state, land, realm, kingdom, republic;
Thomas Price
Most Americans still don't know what happened in 1953 even though it's not a secret at all. They destroyed the ME's best chance for democracy.
Jason Ross
>I'm the son of an Iranian immigrant who escaped the 79 revolution
Same, but you understand the damage has already been done Western intervention in the Middle East happened, we started a war the dumbest thing you could do now would be to leave the drawbridge down and empty the moat and not expect retaliation, it's too late for this open borders shit. You know what the Middle East is like, the eye for an eye culture they're not just going to forget about it and pretend we can all be friends. Get real man.
Camden Wright
>faggot who cites a dictionary definition as a rhetorical device
Why the fuck do people do this? It just makes you look like a condescending prick. It's the worst way of arguing your point short of ad homs.
Carson Morgan
You gotta go back.
Take the Cubans with you. Why aren't you fags rending your sackcloth over Obama ending Cuban refugee status.
Christopher Nguyen
The green card thing got overturned though cause it's illegal. I mean, it's a dangerous precedent, next you might have him revoking millions of people's citizenship based on their parents birthplace, which is something he totally might do.
Half of Israeli juden were born in Arab countries or their parents were, so it would effectively ba half of jizzrael from going to the states.
Christopher Sanders
Going to the states is a privilege not a right of refugees.
The same way people don't demand charity to give them money.
Lucas Ortiz
>(especially banning current green card holders)
I wish this fucking media misinformation would die out already, nobody's banning any green card holders
Ryder Price
It's called self-preservation. For ever 1 story about a doctor or student there are 100 poor shits trying to get into the country to steal jobs from Americans, and majority of them are islamic and many have radical beliefs and to some varying extent support anti-American values.
Whether you personally are Muslim or not is totally irrelevant.
Thomas Watson
Are you fuckin' daft? I stated in OP my family members are religious persecutees because of the Iranian govt. Of course I don't side with them. The Muslims ruined Persia when they invaded long ago, just like they ruined every other place they invaded. Christians did a little better, but they seem much more "pick and choose" than Muslims, because the Bible is extremely contradictory in areas the Qur'an is not. Iran did not do anything prior to the US/UK installment of Pahlavi.
Nolan Collins
Middle East democracy is a meme. Most Iranians aren't urban secular socialists, if mossadegh had stayed, it would have been two decades before Iranians democratically elected in someone like kharameini, and we all know Islamists try to abolish democracy as soon as they "democratically" got in.
Cameron Gonzalez
I said your family are probably good people but you can't tell who's an Islamist or not. They pretend to be "muh moderate Muslim" until they've got their foot through the door then it's all like "there's nothing wrong with forcing Christians to pay jizya, bro. Why are you an islamophobe?"
Kayden Parker
Did you read anything I wrote? Maybe you just didn't understand it. This is a culture war indeed. The culture we desire is AMERICAN culture, i.e. independence, liberty, individual responsibility, community, and EQUAL OPPORTUNITY REGARDLESS OF NATIONAL BACKGROUND. Not welfare state. Not immigration bans. That's fucking autistic and you know it.
Daniel Perez
> Half of Israeli juden were born in Arab countries or their parents were
that's not true, unless you go several generations back. which the executive order doesn't.
Charles Young
OH boy..
Ethan Price
Check his flag before replying and giving him free (you)s next time you hyperfaggot fucking shit
Juan Brooks
...
Camden Torres
>inb4 all criticism is shillery Who was it saying that making sensible criticism of a certain religion wasn't the same as having an irrational fear to it or being paid by evangelists? Hmm.
Jaxson Gray
>former Trump voter
How did you cancel your vote?
Kevin Nelson
(((escaped))) the '79 revolution. You mean when the Iranians took their country back from the CIA? I don't really think this is about anti-arab immigration, I think it's about stopping blackwater military contractor armies aka isis, who work for the clintons/rockefellers, from being able to use fake passports and do more 9/11 type shit. nothing personal.
Jace Rivera
It is true, like half of Israeli Jews are mizrahi who's moved in after 1948 from Iraq and Egypt etc.
Christopher Cruz
>Open borders Saged. Fucking kill yourself nigger
Benjamin Nguyen
it's good to know, I'll stop spreading this FUD now. now my only remaining problem with this ban is that (((for some reason))) it doesn't encompass every Muslim country.
Juan Miller
Garland, Texas May 3, 2015. Give us freedom. Give us guns. Fuck off with welfare and imperialist military. No more terrorists.
No one can or will come to a country that won't support them financially, socially, or give any credibility to their values simply based on "multiculturalism".
Brody Allen
But you can't use DNA in rape cases though, how does it prove consent wasn't given? A woman can have a one night stand with a guy, her boyfriend finds out, and she uses the other guys sperm in her cunt to prove she was """""raped""""".
Carter Miller
Some rere was trying to imply that nations and countries are different. Jesus, you're dense. Did you even read what I replied to? Totally relevant and justified.
Kevin Taylor
Once again, somehow you were too stupid to realize that I am not in opposition to the ban.
Jack Wood
>A Seven Nation Ban Couldn't Hold ME Back unless you are from one of those seven nations, of course
Luis Cook
>tl;dr: the post, by dr autism and the chromosome commandos
Lucas Morris
Fearless Iranian From Hell
Amirite? Haleshoma chetore.
Parker Thomas
You actually can. if she has the marks that a violation make, and the violator has scraching, and in the nails of the victim you found DNA, you can use it as evidence, you dumbdumb
Logan Martinez
Yes I'm not an American, and Yes the temporary ban doesn't affect me, but even the detractors have to acknowledge this is a pretty ballsy move.
What's more important than the executive order is the signal that business with President Trump is going to be different than before. The United States is going to play hardball.
I could go on but tl;dr it's the madman philosophy that Nixon practised in World Diplomacy - and it did work.
Tyler Bailey
I know you are probably not well-versed in actual economics, but it is in the interest of our nation to allow immigrants to come here and provide their services in a free market with minimal restrictions and maximum community mentality so that real equilibrium can not only be achieved, but maintained, and economic progress will expedite.
Landon Gray
Are you implying that all slavish countries are one nation?
Ethan Carter
>No more terrorists.
What? If you support open borders explain how you stop terrorists from entering the US. If their only intention is to blow themselves up in the name of Allah as retaliation, I'm pretty sure not being able to collect welfare is not going to deter them.
Michael Ross
You clearly didn't understand the message of Americanism I was employing. Use history to your aid and realize that the radicals will not come without government support and their intervention in their sand nigger affairs.
Noah Garcia
nations and states are not synonymous in any real discussion of politics or history.
>EQUAL OPPORTUNITY REGARDLESS OF NATIONAL BACKGROUND. not an american value to let in the rest of the world, i don't know where you got that idea. anyway multiculturalism has failed everywhere it has been tried.
Mason Martinez
Bye bye shitskin you have to go back
Ryder Campbell
Moderate Islam is as stupid as moderate Christiansanity is as stupid as moderate Judaism. Religion is the cancer of the world. We don't need lies to know humans are better as a cooperative species, as individuals, with consent. Praxaeology.
Josiah Wilson
>radicals will not come without government support
You have a lot of insight into the motivations of radicals. Well I have to agree with Dad over there If they're just going to blow themselves up, they don't give a damned about welfare. Just look at your enemies in Islam in Palestine. When they cross the boarder into Israel they're looking to kill, not to pick up a government check.
Juan Morgan
lets base our policies off what countries did 100s of years ago when the economy was totally different
Zachary Myers
Fuck libertardianism. Fuck every moderate cucked libshit that ever walked the earth.
Brody Nguyen
Hahaha took back? Sure, I suppose, but their political sovereignty was disrupted and it poisoned the water so to speak. That was not a recovery. It was a reaction. A stupid reaction to a stupid coup by the stupid intelligence community.
Blocking immigration is a bandaid. The real issue is that we CONTINUE to do business with other countries, give foreign aid, have bases everywhere, and "want" a welfare state to support refugees like Sweden made the mistake of doing.
Isaiah Nguyen
It was just for the lulz. I didn't mean anything by it. Obviously I'm unaffected by this other than my grandparents because I was born here. No victim card here.
Andrew Martin
Thank you, sir.
William Sullivan
>I love trump >But
Sebastian Garcia
Who are they targeting? Most radical Muslims couldn't give less of a shit about the Swiss. Muslims mostly kill Muslims. The problem in the US isn't even that bad, but a ban on immigration is nonetheless a shitty bandaid. If the bandaid helps find the real cause, it's done a good job. Otherwise, it's worthless.
Brody Phillips
Russian was trying to imply that from that list, only about 2 are real nations with functioning government, the rest are free-for-alls. You consider Somalia a nation?
I don't know whether you're just really autistic or what, but seriously, learn how to argue your point better, and pick up on verbal cues better.
Austin Thompson
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Oooooh, nooooooooooo! Dune coons aren't real people!
Luis Roberts
>lead America onto the PATH to libertarianism
Stopped reading right there.
Mason Hill
Nice logical fallacy there, dude. BTW economics is basically a study of human action/motivation. AFAIK our species hasn't changed drastically yet, so economic principles are still consistent.
James Butler
>comparing libertarianism to modern liberalism top lel right-wing shilltard
Liam Barnes
"Oh noez! What ever will I do without the government overstepping its bounds and taking control of my life?"
If only Sup Forums was disciplined enough to apply their criticisms of liberals to themselves. Then they would realize how dumb both "sides" are.
David Gonzalez
>My gparents still live in Iran, which is kinda fucked for them cause they can't come here as easy
Why not fight to make Iran a better place rather than running away to leech off Western countries?
Asher Taylor
>Muslims mostly kill Muslims
Mostly, but just because they kill each other at a much higher rate doesn't somehow make it ok when they kill soft targets in the West. This could have worked before the Iraq war when Islamic terrorism in the West was virtually non existent. Like I said it's too late for that now, unless you have a time machine open borders will get citizens killed.
Evan Bailey
>PATH to libertarianism Someone failed kindergarten I see > < left > > right
Lucas White
>leech off Western countries Do you even economics, dude? Also, do you understand that my grandparents aren't exactly in a position to revamp their govt? I am not an Iranian citizen, nor do I wish to be. I am a 100% legal US citizen, born and raised.
Being a valuable member of society is not leeching. Not wanting to live under tyranny is not an unjust reason to move. You gonna ban all immigration to AND from America? No one should be allowed to leave, right? They should just improve their own country, right? Some of the first colonists weren't religious refugees, right? The entire reason this nation exists isn't because people left its mother country to improve their lives here, right?
Hunter Scott
>I think all religion is the same cult of bullshit >the followers of Islam >We...
Pick one b8.
You need to be deported
Jacob Richardson
Either your implication is very vague or you're just saying nonsense.
Ryder Fisher
obviously the founders were not talking about non-europeans who they viewed as another species.
Kevin Howard
>Walking Quran .... ...hahaha
>Walking piece of human shit
Levi King
Are you really that impaired to not understand the straightforward context of "we"? I am not a Muslim. I am not Iranian. I am American. My entire post was about AMERICA. Guess again.
Josiah Rivera
so now you want all those people to come here freely through open borders and vote into power a leader that would violate american principles. well done. nice country you got there.
Michael Clark
So.. same as Obama in 2015 ..
i can't take it anymore. Trump needs to stop winning so hard... My sides
Mason Smith
This is why you cucks are just like the liberals. You have so little faith in your values that you think the only way to achieve your goals is through government. You are weak willed. You are just as brainwashed as the libtards who claim without the ACA, no one could afford health care. Culture wars are not fought with governments. Culture wars are fought with socioeconomics.
Hudson Barnes
sorry i don't want the whole world to move into america. i guess that makes me the cuck right? you're free to move to mexico though i hear they have open borders though so you should love their country.
John Jones
You heard wrong. Mexico is not open border. They're just high corruption, which given the US' record with corruption, makes the "strong border" scenario questionable.
Luke Rodriguez
Can't wait till they deport you sandnigger
John Parker
well you could probably sneak in there and stay there
Oliver Garcia
You are too stupid to notice that Trump is taking us further away from libertarianism every day? kek
John Martinez
show me where open borders is in the constitution. explain how a democracy works where every person in the world has the same rights as native citizens.
Mason Torres
>I'm the son of an Iranian immigrant who escaped the 79 revolution
Ayden Cook
It's not overtly relevant to any real arguments, but just backstory so maybe you can see my point of view. But if you want to debunk my life, thinking it will somehow legitimize your POV, your POV isn't worth evaluating.
Caleb Murphy
>muh libertarianism! >we need open borders so that more low-iq islamofascists can come in >libertrianism will totally happen when they all vote for the left, guise! >t. shitskin intellectual
Colton Hall
>pro-gun >somewhat pro states rights, especially on drugs >anti-obamacare >pro-independence >claims to want to withdraw foreign-based troops >pro-american/nationalist (very important to libertarianism) >pro gun
and more
Julian Gonzalez
You are too stupid to notice that banning third world scum is the only way to ensure that libertarianism can ever happen at all. Any other anti-libertarian measures Trump takes can be reversed. Demographic changes cannot be reversed, and democrat-voting Islamifascists aren't exactly known for their libertarian worldview. Garry Johnson "libertarians" need to be shot.