Are you okay with capitalism, Sup Forums? What would you change?

Are you okay with capitalism, Sup Forums? What would you change?

If you got with the statics roughly 95% of Sup Forums shouldn't be all to happy.

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I'm okay with it, I will inherit 7 houses, can live in one and rent the rest, minus tax, minus maintenance and minus outsourcing landlord issues still nets me around median income.

You gotta love a system where you can do nothing but still get cash. People associate welfare with socialism but I think opposite is true, both welfare queens and trust fund babies exist under capitalism, in socialism its work or gulag.

I hate systems where one has to justify their existence through work.

Capitalism is effective at motivating work and progress and the most stable system we know.

The only things I would change are government intervention like lobbying, subsides, price gouging/fixing, and prolonged patents/copyrights

get rid of the stock market

This.
But it's not sustainable.

Things work pretty well until there is recession. What has caused the biggest market crashes in history?

you know how assholes always say "its not real communism!" when you point out how living in china or the former ussr sucks dick?

anything you don't like about capitalism is just not real capitalism. i'm okay with having a fair chance to do whatever i want and the fact that competition drives innovation.

arbeit macht frei, juden

>If you got with the statics roughly 95% of Sup Forums shouldn't be all to happy.

why, people that are richer than us should be an inspiration, not a target of malice

The Federal Reserve.

It's the least bad system We have as long as it doesn't devolve into crony capitalism.
To prevent this You have to mantain business and government separated through minimal intervention of the state in the economy.
Unfortunatelly Keynes existed.

its almost like inciting a class war, hmmmm, what kind of person would want that.....

I guarantee that you have no idea what capitalism is. With that said, I'm okay with it.

Thats so fucking nice. Now i see why saudi arabia cant take care of refugees because they have to send their fucking falcons on vacation on a fucking private airplane.

capitalism doesn't exist
don't use marxist words
every state has differen laws, different taxes regulations and inheritance systems

i retired at 45.. what other system will allow that without being dirt poor or homeless?

You could get rid of it officially, but you'd never actually be rid of it.

No. National Socialism is the only way to achieve true harmony with nature. Capitalism is a mutilation, it ensures the most vicious get ahead, and rewards selfishness.

Capitalism is poison, as is communism.

>it ensures the most vicious get ahead, and rewards selfishness.
So life itself?

>german
>marxist detected
>clear normie
>(((statistics)))
>you shouldn't be happy
>Sup Forums? Well, Sup Forums?

We need an IQ test system for this place, maybe we won't get mentally ill Quebec leafs either.

>If you got with the statics roughly 95% of Sup Forums shouldn't be all to happy.
It's your lack of perspective, not the statistics, that say they shouldn't be happy. They get to waste their time shitposting on a Korean particle physics board while people in your socialist utopias stand in breadlines. It's your own mind-blowing greed and entitlement, combined with a sheltered and care-free life that puts these retarded ideas in your head.

No, life is not about viciousness. Sentient beings can conceptualize morality, thus we are not bound by the same animalistic nonsense other species are.

Evil cannot rule, it can only destroy in the long run, and it has. Capitalism has stolen humanity's soul, ravaged nature, institutionally kidnapped raped and murdered our kids for the sadistic pleasure of inbred depraved upper classes, mutilated animals and tortured them for food purposes, and has generally enslaved most of the western world with debt.

National Socialism was the best choice, it stood on the side of good, self sacrifice, and harmony with nature and the divine order of races. Capitalism is another satanic/saturnic mutilation of which the dark occult "top" guys use to enslave man. It is an imbalance, and a perversion, and those who support it deserve to die with it.

As a German, you should know better. Capitalism is not perfect, but it allows a far better lifestyle for the majority than under socialism.

The truth is that there are no truly capitalist societies, since all of the Western ones, from Sweden through to Switzerland implement some form of mixed economy with certain aspects controlled by the government (Central bank rates, healthcare, justice, police, military, etc.) and most other aspects left to the private sector.

>Sentient beings can conceptualize morality
They do, and that's how they came to the conclusion that a totalitarian Nazi dictatorship that executes dissenters is a shit tier system. The only people still shilling for it and other totalitarian systems are non-sentient beings like you.

Nothing wrong with capitalism.
What I would change is outlaw things that undermine capitalism, like cronyism, lobbying, government quotas etc.
All the problems people right now have with Capitalism have nothing to do with Capitalism.
People don't know what they're protesting.
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>Sentient beings can conceptualize morality
Indeed. And in doing so create systems to benefit ourselves. Your PETA tier argument blames capitalism, but it's really just human nature. Those excesses are a result of decadence, and not exclusive to any one economic system.
>Evil
Is a matter of perspective.

Every jew must be exterminated to usher in a Golden Age of man. It's your destiny to die parasite. Surely you must realize you cannot stagnate the system forever. Just as the pendulum has shifted towards your paedophilic evil so will it shift back into forces of the light and good.

You are our ancient enemy, and your time is nearly over, you should be able to sense it. Every jew will perish.

Hi, Milton.

I would implement capitalism instead of corporatism

>just human nature

No our nature is dualistic. We can operate from selfishness or selflessness.

Morality is not relative, that is a jewish invention and a saturnic ideology. All paedophile "elites" have been pushing this ideology on people in order to justify their heinous atrocities.

Humanity has the capacity to do great good or great evil. I'd say you are evil if you think objective morality does not exist, and you are a supporter of the abuses that exist now.

Literally not an argument. Thanks for confirming non-sentience, Naziboo.

2% are happy (Don't have to work at all and don't care about money), 3% are okay with it (Probably got very lucky and worked hard), 95% should hate it.

>What would you change?

The main problem in capitalist societies is the government involving itself in areas outside of purely the government domain, such as healthcare.

Sure, government should not allow a free-for-all or abusive providers, but it shouldn't try to micromanage them either.

A government policy of only intervening where there is clear evidence that a specific market is failing to self-regulate would be a far better approach in most circumstances.

It would also remove power from the politicians at a day-to-day level and thereby remove the opportunity for corruption and cronyism.

No, capitalism is one of the major causes of the rise of feminism, degeneracy, gayzism, affirmative action, etc... It's stimulates way more consumerism than productivity.

>muh opinions are the objective morality
Prove it, faggot.

Good goy

>We can operate from selfishness or selflessness.
Selflessness is selfishness in disguise. No one is entirely altruistic for it's own sake, but because they think they'll get something out of it.
>Morality is not relative
It expressly is. What's moral for one people might be immoral to another. Hell, to say morality can be universal is the beginning of the road to SJWism and Zionism.

>You know that asinine argument my opponent makes about their ideology?
>it totally works with mine!
Seriously, I prefer capitalism in every Conceivable way but give me a break.

I have nothing to say to you parasite, but to those reading, consider that morality is a part of our physical universe similar to how temperature is.

You can infer the existence of objective morality through observing consequences to one's actions in life. Behaving like an evil person typically gets you your just reward. Things like killing, torture etc. almost always end in tears for the perpetrator.If you don't end up in jail, you live a cursed halflife, unable to fully feel and broken inside.

I am saying morality behaves like a physical law would, and that violating certain moral laws will create an inevitably "balance" in this life, or whatever comes after. This balancing is related to the principle of correspondence and polarity.

Aggregate morality is what manifests our reality. If everyone is good, our society will of course be good, and vice versa. So the karmic consequence of evil actions is often felt impersonally, and distributed among our entire society as opposed to personally.

Parasites like jews want you to believe morality is relative, because that's how they justify being cannibals, paedophiles, or just generally evil in other less serious ways.

>Selflessness is selfishness in disguise. No one is entirely altruistic for it's own sake
That's a completely meaningless observation. One can still make a meaningful distinction between acts that bring one pleasure at the expense of others and acts that bring one pleasure at one's own expense while beneficial to others. Saying that both are "selfish" renders the word "selfish" meaningless because there's nothing to contrast it with.

>to say morality can be universal is the beginning of the road to SJWism and Zionism.
Are you brain-damaged? SJWs are hardcore social constructionists and I'm not sure what Zionism has to do with morality.

Fuck off kike

>selflessness is selfishness in disguise

You've been brainwashed by this jew tier economist bullshit. The two are not the same thing. Cooperation with other human beings for a common aim is NOT selfishness, it's quite the opposite. DEFECTION from this cooperation is selfishness if done for your own gain.

Selfishness needs to be understood in terms of a greater group, not individual motivations. Working in a team benefits everyone, but there also is no other way of achieving anything except in a team. It's when people think like you that they get funny ideas of betraying the human race for their own benefit. And that's how you degrade into something like pizzagate happening. Money. Selfishness. Callousness. Nihilism.

You're a fucking retarded slave if you think morality is relative. Good goyim. Keep fucking over your fellow man while we reap the reward....and pic related is the result of your wanton ideology

The only issue for me is that capitalism required continual growth, and we have basically reached the boundaries of what's feasible on this planet.

Therefore I'm actually looking at communism, because socialism is just another flavour of capitalism and we need an alternative

>doing things society forbids typically results in society punishing you
>therefore my opinion is objective morality

Why are Naziboos always low-IQ subhumans?

this wouldn't change anything how dumb are you

Capitalism is all there is and ever will be. As long there is is self interest and the possibility or trade there will be capitalism. It's unavoidable. It's not an artificially crafted system. All animals engage in win/win exchanges. Yes, I'm ok with reality, because I'm not an idiot child.

>Saying that both are "selfish" renders the word "selfish" meaningless because there's nothing to contrast it with.
Fair enough, but the point is still made. Selfless acts are still done for selfish benefit.
>SJWs are hardcore social constructionists and I'm not sure what Zionism has to do with morality.
Both try and push their morality as the only acceptable and universal one.

>Cooperation with other human beings for a common aim is NOT selfishness,
Are you retarded? Cooperation is two people working together so they both can benefit. They might be helping each other, but if one was not to benefit, you can bet he wouldn't be doing so.
>but there also is no other way of achieving anything except in a team.
Agreed.
>You're a fucking retarded slave if you think morality is relative.
Okay. Which morality is THE morality then. And why?
>Keep fucking over your fellow man
But that might not benefit me?

You can't attack the rich/people who own capital openly as socialist can (since muh job creaturs are sacrosanct), so you hide behind the kike/jew cover.

Kike/Jew is euphemism for rich/capitalist/bourgeoisie used by right wing.

Can somebody explain the pic?

You're the low IQ subhuman, you fucking parasites can't even exist without whites subsidizing your pathetic excuse for a country.

There is no reasoning with parasites, they must simply die.

I am not saying societal punishments prove objective morality, I said that factors in, but the underlying effects are felt in the aggregate.

Evil people make evil societies, where kikes like you suck blood (literally) of our families and kids.

Good people base their societies not on selfish desire, or the inherent belief that other people are evil, but on truth and freedom. The founding fathers are an example of something approaching a good person in charge.

Saudi prince or something had to pay for 80 individual (economy) seats to transport his mews.

Yeah but you contribute nothing and get money for free. You have as much right to defend that system as a nig has to defend socialism

Falconry seems to be a big thing with Saudis.

It's the one thing I just can't get red-pilled on. An economic system driven by the material profit motive rather than on a shared set of values is always going to lead to degeneracy (because it's profitable), unearned wealth inheritance, and the exploitation of people who actually contribute to society.

Capitalism is Darwinian; it's amoral with inevitably immoral effects; leads to massive overproduction and waste; renders people materialistic, shallow, and stupid, it actually encourages these qualities; and is counter to the maturation, moral and intellectual development of man.

I'm against it and the Jews and greedy gentiles who perpetuate it.

>Can somebody explain the pic?

Some Arabian prince was having a hunting expedition, so he shipped the birds across country by air.

Happens a lot in the Middle East and each bird shipped costs between $100 and $500 per flight depending upon the distance.

Their wings are tied and they are hooded as well as sitting on stuff so they don't shit digested mouse all over the seats.

Quite magnificent creatures, but they are trained for hunting, so don't go near them unless they are held by their owner and he has told you what to do otherwise you will easily lose a finger or two.

>Fair enough, but the point is still made. Selfless acts are still done for selfish benefit
You don't get to agree that by your logic the words "selfless" and "selfish" lose all meaning, but then immediately use them in a statement and claim that it has some meaning and proves some point. What the fuck?

>Both try and push their morality as the only acceptable and universal one.
They don't. SJWs believe that morality is a social construct and Zionism has nothing to do with morality. Repeating your assertion again doesn't prove your point.

>are you okay with being able to give money to somebody without having the government take a cut
yes, I would be okay with that

It is called "natural law" in occulted writings.

The people who run this world understand it, and they peddle bullshit like that rational agent selfishness nonsense you're spouting right now to confuse people.

Natural law is simply that a sentient being cannot violate another sentient being's free will and consciousness. This translates into common sense laws like: don't kill, don't steal, don't invade privacy, don't coerce with violence, don't manipulate.

Our societies in the aggregate break these laws on the regular, and because of that we suffer things like pizzagate, where 58,000 kids go missing every year because evil people have been allowed to set up infrastructure to rape, torture, and murder kids.

It also degrades the human soul to break these laws consistently. This is what you see when you note that society is becoming more "degenerate"

Our language hints at these realities, we speak in frequencies related to binaries (good and evil).

Again, the cooperation thing is taken from your economist jewish bullshit ideology. You want to take the position that man not necessarily defect simply because he himself doesn't benefit. That the duality of self sacrifice and selfishness exists, and the going either way is a CHOICE not a biological imperative. Kikes are getting you to crypto say free will doesn't exist.

Scenarios like pic related happen because of your pathetic slave mentality.

I like it because the free market drives competition which drives innovation and productivity. I'd get rid of centralised banking, interest on loans and other jewish trickery thoguh

>Kike/Jew is euphemism for rich/capitalist/bourgeoisie used by right wing.

Could you be more wrong? The Jews are the ruling class that control the market, not the capitalists themselves.

Every man is entitled to reap his fields.

Everybody who said they are ok with capitalism because it's "the best choice we got"
are merely slave of fate

you prey to your god for not let those devil take random bomb on your country

and when it happen you blame everything accept capitalism itself
then choose some fascsim - nationalism hypocrite leader to start war for try to make an "Exception" from the random bombs

>(economy) seats

pathetic poorfag

So what is the best choice we got?

>You're the low IQ subhuman
Then how come you don't make a shred of sense while I easily destroy your "arguments"?

>I am not saying societal punishments prove objective morality, I said that factors in, but the underlying effects are felt in the aggregate.
What underlying effects? We've already established that it's society that punishes people for deeds it deems to be evil. There is no magical force of nature that automatically makes bad people have unfortunate accidents. Other people punish them, and people in different places punish others for different things.

>Evil people make evil societies
>Good people do blah and blah
Prove that your opinions about who's evil and who's good are objective and universal. That's the whole point, you mental cripple.

>Capitalism is effective at motivating work
>don't work because I know my parents money and propertirs are enough
JUST

>but then immediately use them in a statement
What words would you like me to use, then? Surely you can grasp the concepts?
>SJWs believe that morality is a social construct
Which is regardless. They push their own morality with no consideration for others.

>It is called "natural law" in occulted writings.
We're not talking about the occult, boy.
>This translates into common sense laws like: don't kill, don't steal, don't invade privacy, don't coerce with violence, don't manipulate.
Think about the reason for those laws. They're enacted in the hope that they won't happen to you. Or won't happen to you if you don't do them to someone else.
>Scenarios like pic related
Dude, fuck off with your drawings, we're discussing actual philosophy.

Airlines which allow falcons in the cabin will only let you keep one in 1st class with you, but no one cares about the smell in cattle class.
>t. frequent Emirates flyer

>a tiny minority of people gets such a large inheritance that they can live off of it for the rest of their life
>a small percentage of those are content not doing anything productive with their lives
>capitalism btfo! clearly a system where everybody is encouraged to be unproductive is better!
This thread is literally filled with absolute mental cripples.

The system Greece used.

Before their economy crashed with no survivors, I mean.

Let me guess you're a fucking Jew? Your day is coming. We will take your houses, or burn them to the fucking ground.

>kikes control the world
>y-you are low IQ!
Low IQ are the white retards that have been unable to do shit against them. Look at what your hero Hitler did, he only made them stronger and didn't kill any of the relevant kikes to begin with.

>What words would you like me to use, then? Surely you can grasp the concepts
I can grasp the concepts. The problem is that you're trying to dismantle the concepts (by claiming that all selfless acts are, in fact, selfish) while relying on them to make your "argument", so it's inherently invalid.

>They push their own morality with no consideration for others.
Yes, but that doesn't mean they think their morality is objective. They just want their subjective morality to dominate the society they live in.

I never claimed that some magic punishes people, the problem is if we are all evil we punish ourselves WITH our evil. Do you understand?

Evil begets evil. Good begets good. There are no exceptions to this rule. Those who do evil "for the greater good" end up losing their morality and justifying ever increasing horror to maintain a society (like cia using pedophile sadists in pizzagate like scenarios to maintain control).

No jew, you are the parasite that is incapable of understanding. Because your survival strategy over the years has depended on muddling the waters with your relativist bullshit, or framing objective morals in terms of your own standards.

As I said, the proof lies in aggregate manifestation of will. If enough people are evil, their will be done, and society becomes what it is now. Corrupt, vicious, filled with jews, sexually androgynous etc.

Basically modern "rulers" like your kike banker families rule by creating imbalances within human nature. This is why kikes are so keen on pushing gay rights or trannies. This is why kikes want all races to mix.

In terms of polarity, jews are the destroyers. They have always been evil vicious creatures, and have taken control of society when it weakened its morality in the enlightenment age, where bourgeoisie faggot philosophers started questioning basic morality to sound obscure. Taking advantage of the aristocrats losing their proverbial souls, the jew inserted its parasitic tendrils, and slowly rose in ranks in accordance to money lending.

And the rest is history.

That's just ONE example of how degradation of the human spirit and truth about free will and morality destroys society. Jews are of course not the only sources of evil, but they are the progenitors of moral relativism.

I'm left wing, and I realize that a disproportionate amount of the rich/capitalist/bourgeoisie are Jewish kikes. The left will rise again. And we will take your Jew gold. We will take a page out of your book, and set the black and brown masses upon you parasites.

They are created because all free sentient beings intuitively feel these things. This is why these laws have been uniform across all societies.

Moral relativism is a doomed axiom, and I would support killing people who spread it un-ironically. Good after all should not be timid, and disgusting mutations like you should be slaughtered without mercy.

Honestly you are complicating things. Just look at the evidence. Capitalism has produced pretty awesome societies full of smart people.

However, we have reached the end of where it can sustainably take us. From here on out we will cannibalise our society and wealth. What new tech is there to invent and bring to market? What new lands or industries do we have?

>we're so clever
>can't form a functioning society without white assistance

If jews are so clever, why are they unable to exist without gibs me dats like niggers?

We shall see parasite. The final battle is coming. Will the destroyer race of parasites win? Or will those who have held humanity to higher standards instead of mutilating it?

We will see jew. I will take great delight in watching you end.

You don't need a large inheritance to live for the rest of your life, properties grow by themselves, I literally do nothing but wait and my income will increase over time. I can live with as little as 1000, everything else is disposable income.

I'm trying to dismantle the concepts, not the definitions. You saying it's invalid doesn't make it invalid.
>but that doesn't mean they think their morality is objective.
Ah, no, i didn't mean to say they did. It just ends up that way.

>They are created because all free sentient beings intuitively feel these things
Only via bred in self preservation. And they certainly haven't been uniform across all societies.
>Moral relativism is a doomed axiom, and I would support killing people who spread it
So you're on the chopping block for your beliefs?

>provides means of housing by renting
>contribute nothing

You don't need to be a loser working yourself to death in a factory that makes toilet seats be "contribute" to society, you inambitious fuck.

>if we are all evil we punish ourselves WITH our evil
Are you literally claiming that "evil" people punish themselves, as opposed to other people punishing them? Then why do we need a police force to punish thieves and murderers?

>Evil begets evil. Good begets good. There are no exceptions to this rule.
But you said there is no magical force of nature that punishes people, and you said that society punishing people who go against its moral doctrine are only part of the story. So what else is there to punish evil people? The innate irony of the universe?

>If enough people are evil, their will be done, and society becomes what it is now.
Swedes don't think they are evil or that their society is evil. They think they're very good and progressive. Prove that they are objectively evil, you mental cripple. That's the whole point.

>MUH JEWS!
Literally not an argument.

You are simply slave of the kikes, you whites are useful, but still inferior. The chinks pose more threat to the kikes than you do.

Who says degeneracy is inherently profitable?? Sauce?

>I literally do nothing but wait and my income will increase over time
See my earlier post in this thread:
It's literally the same pattern with every Marxist, including Marx himself.

Look at fucking pornography and drugs. Highly profitable.

Absolutely, you spread this cancer and you should pay dearly for it. Just like the old Christian myths in which angels mercilessly slaughter evil people in Soddom and Gommorah, so should good people mercilessly slaughter evil people, as a measure of self defense not murder.

I'm a capitalist for the most part. I enjoy accounting and taxation.

This is why jews need to die, and die horribly.

Hitler was too kind. Virtually all notable scientific achievement was done by whites, yet this disgusting fucking question mark spined JEW dares to call us inferior?

Know your fucking place you dirty scheming parasite rat.

>self defense not murder.
Ah, so now you're on my side.

>Virtually all notable scientific achievement was done by whites

wat.
look at the nobel prize winners and try to guess the amount of non-jews there. you are in for a disappointment.

>I'm trying to dismantle the concepts, not the definitions. You saying it's invalid doesn't make it invalid.
This doesn't make a shred of sense. The statement "selflessness is selfish" is either a logical contradiction (if you acknowledge that selfishness and selflessness can be meaningfully defined as two distinct things) or it boils down to the completely pointless statement of the form "X is X", from which nothing follows. What you really want to prove is that it's impossible to meaningfully define the words "selfish" and "selfless", which you will fail to do, because it's trivial to provide a definition that works around your observation that any action is internally motivated.

I despise the fact that its been intertwined in our democracy, and big dicks with lots of money decide our elections everywhere from locally to the highest level. Trump is an exception because he's a billionaire, he didnt need to tow the establishment line for money. He will be the last if he does not do something about it. Also fuck the Saudis, fucking oil niggers.

I can't tell you
it's secret of god

Capitalism is 6 gorillion times better than Marxist bullshit ideologies, but not as good as National Socialism.

Yeah slaves usually do that, create good shit for their masters. Keep going slave, you haven't made anything revolutionary in years, it's like if you have stagnated.

Jealous Sup Forumstards can't understand that this is the truth.

It's crap but it's better than the alternatives.

What's that image about? They have a no-singles policy when it comes to viewing in-flight entertainment?

>This is why jews need to die, and die horribly.
I've never wronged you and you don't even know me, and yet you wish torture and death upon me while proclaiming yourself to be morally superior and crying how good begets good and evil begets evil. I'm not even sure at this point if you're trolling or a legit schizophrenic.

Well now phones exist so they can shitpost while waiting on the breadlines.