/mlg/ Marxism Leninism General

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.

>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

This is now a capitalism thread.

Friendly reminder that Stalin did nothing wrong

Daily reminder that capitalism has won. We beat the fascist, communists, liberals, we've gone to space and are on our way to colonizing it soon, we've developed technology beyond compare of anything the regressive socialists could've ever dreamed up, and we now have armies and empires so massive that simply nothing compares. So feel free to embrace whatever ideology you want, just don't be surprised when you get left behind in the dirt.

>being a proud class cuck

Slava Stalin!

Greetings. I shan't seek to deceive you, indeed tis true I once twas bannerman for the Trump dynasty. Hilarity beckons thy heart upon looking at the new Caesar falling from Charybdis into Scylla. But let fear take haste in your hearts for this cursed soul cannot be endowed with the infernal machinations of the aether.

>liberals
>not capitalist

>we've gone to space
after the soviets got there first :^)

>we've developed technology beyond compare of anything the regressive socialists could've ever dreamed up
most of the tech innovations (including the internet) are invented in the public sector thanks to the tovernment. i thought that's cronyism :^)

>have armies and empires
i wonder why. could it be that capitalism is by its very nature imperialistic just like lenin predicted?

>being a slave to the government

>praises big government armies and empire
>claims I'm a slave to the government
I love how capitalists don't ever realize when they contradict themselves

>thinks big armies means big government
>doesn't understand the idea of hegemonic empires
>wants to cuck himself to the government
>still never going to Mars
Also without capitalism we wouldn't have anime

Thread is dead like USSR.

This.
Almost any family in Russia can name you someone they lost during WWII, but no one would be able to find a single family member who had perished during the so-called "purges".

Who determines the value of any particular good?

[MASS FAMINE NOISES]

> Marxism Leninism
> not Maoist

Cuck.

Muh great leap forward

>he thinks you can have big armies without big government
unless they are private armies you are talking shit m8

also:

>socialism /=/ big government
>implying

like I said the soviets went to space first, the next REAL socialist country will probably also colonize mars first. get ready faggot.

So why do commies hate freedom so much? Capitalism is literally just giving people the freedom to do what they want with their money.

OP is a shit-tier larper.

Litmust test: explain under 10 seconds why the base matters more than the superstructure.

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>unless they are private armies you are talking shit m8
Considering one of the few justified functions of government is to provide military defense, then yes, you can have small governments and big armies.

>the next REAL socialist country will probably also colonize mars first
Yes, clearly that's why we already have private companies planning to settle Mars, mine asteroids, and give space tours. Still waiting on those "real socialist countries" to come into existence, let alone become first world countries and colonize space.

I'm waiting faggot.

Communism goes into the trash heap, along with every other authoritarian ideology that sought to force people to force people to behave a certain way and told them what they could and couldn't do with their property.

Communism doesn't work, get a different ideology you dumb fucks

No, don't you see they just want maximum freedom for the workers. Unless those workers have the nerve to sell their own labor to someone in exchange for money. Then it's off to the gulag.

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I suppose it is your opinion that our general state of affairs did not involve a good bit of violence

Not gonna lie, former Marxist here. It's fucking hilarious watching every attempted communist society crash and burn. But in all seriousness, we can't let the proletariat get their hands on the means of production.

>we can't let the proletariat get their hands on the means of production.
Why? They already can. Worker co-ops are perfectly legal, and face no more legal barriers than any other business. The fact that co-ops are not the dominant business model demonstrates how fucking retarded it is to force the proles to control capital. The actual working man, as opposed to the college intelligentsia communist who has never worked a day in his life, doesn't want to assume any entrepreneurial risk. He wants to clock in, grind down, and go home with a guaranteed paycheck. No liability for the company's actions, no tough decisions, no financial risks, just cash in hand in exchange for labor.

In a capitalist society, the vast majority of the economy does not run on violence. In a communist society, the entire economy runs on the threat of violence.

Not entirely accurate. In a capitalist society, the threat of violence is
>don't steal other people's property and labor or we will use violence against you

whereas in a communist one, it's
>surrender your property and labor or we will use violence against you

Come now, how does one go about getting a good price on shipping for spices coming out the indian ocean routes if you don't fuck up a few portugese
How does one secure the social and political rights of those who make their living off their entrepreneurship without lopping off a few noble heads
And besides that, if there is feasible alternatives, what's the fun in them?

Fair enough. Still, I think it's rather telling that in a capitalist society, you are free to form your coops, communes, and socialist enclaves to your hearts desire, but in a communist society the very attempt at keeping what's yours is met with violence and "redistribution".

I don't fully understand the relevance of having a completely government controlled economy. Under free market Capitalism, the businessmen can work on his own schedule, doing what he wants, and the overall economy thrives with competitive pricing between different business' products and labor costs, helping to keep prices of goods low and wages more than acceptable. (ofc this is in a perfect society)

Socialism and Communism practically make citizens slaves and reinforce a sense of brotherhood through community effort even though its essentially theft from your neighbors unless everyone is pulling their own weight.

Not to mention all past Socialist societies have failed, and nearly every Capitalist one has thrived.

>(ofc this is in a perfect society)
So what is the relevance

Because capitalism gets a lot closer to that perfect society that communism or socialism.

Socialism has had a little over a century to develop. Capitalism has had centuries, and let me tell ya in those previous centuries keeping prices low was certainly not on the to-do list. They were kept competitive, but this competition tended to raise prices, insofar as it involved warships.

Bit early for judgement, innit?

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I think it's fair to say that after the USSR, China, Burma, Cuba, Zimbabwe, and now Venezuela to name a few, the socialist experiment is quite clearly a failure. This shit was not happening in the barbaric and primitive (relative to now) 1600s, it was happening in the past century.

Yeah, but most of the early capitalist societies weren't really developed to be capitalist at all, sure they fit the technical description, but Adam Smith wouldn't even write his book until 1776, until then capitalism had been polluted with various ideas of mercantilism and nobility. Socialism, on the other hand, may have hundreds of variations, but there hasn't really been any adjustment. There hasn't been a critical rethinking of the way things ought to work in socialism to nearly the extent as there has in capitalism, which you might say is because of the shorter period, but keep in mind that for such a short period of time socialism has been tried a ludicrous amount of times without success.

Fucking commie degenerates