I feel like Israel has as much of a right to exist as Palestine, and I avoid this topic because of it. I feel like the only true solution is to make it so all people that regard that land as holy ground are able to pass freely and safely through it, and if it is officially both (if that makes sense, I'm not good at this please explain why I'm stupid instead of just calling me stupid) Israel and Palestine, and obviously needs to be demilitarized against each other and take a new approach to the way the dichotomy is viewed. I don't know everything but considering a very justifiable reason why Israel exists now (Jews have every right to a homeland, it is historically isolating and dangerous to be Jewish considering antisemitism and lack of the kind of large communities everywhere that Christians enjoy) and the obvious right for Palestinians to exist and live there and for Palestine itself to exist. This is not a "why can't we all just get along" argument, I genuinely feel like this is a nearly unsolveable issue without it being both. Either way the oppression of Palestinians (and Israeli Muslims) is not justifiable. Discuss? (I guess I should mention I'm a Jew, fairly skeptical Jew desu and I am very critical of how Israel treats Palestinians and I'm frankly very tired of Israel being the world's excuse to hate Jews. I feel like this was deliberate in the formation of Israel)
I feel like Israel has as much of a right to exist as Palestine, and I avoid this topic because of it...
Wrong. Palestinians need to fuck off to jordan and give the jews their jew land.
Cogent arguments with empirical evidence would b pretty cool for a change
>I feel like the only true solution is to make it so all people that regard that land as holy ground are able to pass freely and safely through it
This is never going to happen.
Nobody will ever pay for it, and the only way Israel is going away is if it gets wiped off the fucking map.
I can't really blame you for coming up with an impossible solution to an unsolvable problem, but buddy...
It just ain't gonna work.
Just like America is your land and not the indians land. Just like Australia is our land and not the aborigines land. Palestinians are just cockroaches that refused to pack up their entire $100 worth of wealth and fuck off to jordan.
This.
>make it so all people that regard that land as holy ground are able to pass freely and safely through it
The only ones willing to do this is Israel.
Jews or no Jews, f you support the Palestinians over Israel you're a liberal faggot.
seriously...
they say jews are building 'settlements'
what that really means is they've got housing going up and the little sandnigger """""palestinians""""" in tents and mudbrick shacks are upset.
Mentioning natives and aborigines makes a lot of sense as to why Palestine can never belong to Palestinians again, thank you for mentioning that. And while I am literally a massive faggot, but nah liberals are scummy as shit lmao
Jews don't have a right to anything. Israel was a carrot on a stick to manipulate Jews living in various nations to in turn manipulate those nations into joining the war.
So basically the US is funding Palestinian genocide and colonization, and using Jewish people as the object of blame because they're easy to hate? Or am I missing something still?
Sorry for replying like a dumbass but honestly the more I read the more I do realize that Jews do not have a right to colonize someone else's land because of the Holocaust, it's not exactly a good look to condone a religious genocide of another very disliked religion and people
you're missing something still, but it's a rabbit hole that doesn't end.
for one: a branch of Rabbis preaching nihilism and satanic atheism to destroy Judaism, Christianity, and the west are in bed with the Chinese and the elite to institute a One World Government (tm).
These Jews DESPISE Israel, as it gets Jews out of white countries and into their own, making the antisemitism meme weaker by extension. The Jew hate meme coupled with the holohoax is (was) one of the strongest leverage plays in the political world right now.
Personally, I believe that is the last war. Trump has already won.
So is there any real way that Palestinians are going to be able to get their own safe place now or is this basically going the same route as every other genocide ever? I mean, general existentialism aside, are there genuinely any way this would be resolved or reversed, any real allies to Palestine that are doing enough?
I'm fucking baked as shit so thank you for explaining this to my dumb ass lmao
As far as Palestinians go, you're missing a key element. Location. The Palestinians aren't important, but the land is. Israel sits along the coast between Africa and Europe. This is why the people living there have so much influence over the west. Without the Israeli coast to navigate, immigrants and "refugees" have to cross the ocean or go through Turkey to find welfare in Germany/Sweden. Israel is walled off, so if you want to migrate on foot, you're going to be pushed into the desert. Good luck out there.
As I was saying about the influence this gives Israel: They can essentially control the flow of shitskins into Europe to make us dance for them. Conversely, without them as a defense, the Arabs will just pour in. The coast is too valuable.
Fuck them, you fucking retard. How the fuck could you miss the point so fucking badly? Who GIVES a shit about arabs? Are you fucking nigger Jesus?
Open your eyes.
>Britbongs give you land
>People of your creed flock back to the holy land
>Neanderthals that surround your new land try to wage war against you
>White people help and together you fuck them up
>White people realise you are scum but the only ally they can have in this region
>Fund defense of country even though all your people want to do is live in peace
>Mud people attack again
>Completely fuck them up, rightfully you should own large chunks of mud people land
>Don't want to give subhumans the right to vote in your country so you hand the land back
And now people complain that a shitty non-nation with the backing of several nations lost a war to one nation that had funding from others. These cockroaches need to be removed from gaza and the west bank and let the greedy jews have their jew land so they can all fuck off back to the middle east, live in a shithole and leave great nations alone.
I guess I was trying to stop this genocide with a bullshit bandaid solution, I literally have never been this high in my life (shit was like an 8th in edibles) and I was feeling like I could solve this massive fucking issue with a label change and minor policy change lmfao feel free to continue to explain shit because this is a very interesting topic and, despite the racism fueled opinions, Sup Forums is more honest than most reputable sources.
memes like "Israel/Palestine's right to exist" and "Palestinian genocide" are literally thoughts planted in your head by the media. Brainwashing to obscure the issue. The sheer importance of Israel as a blockade between Africa and the Middle East. The modern day Battle of Thermopylae
You know what genocide I care about? The absolute shitshow in Europe that will follow if Israel falls.
i agree israel should exist. but only so all the jews can go there and stay there. I am sick of rich dual citizen israeli's owning our banks and buying our politicians. there is a reason why jews are equated with parasites, you feed off our societies to benefit your own. which is why you have been resented throughout history, just fuck off already
not if you hope that the Arabs wipe out the jews and then themselves
Speaking as a Jew I absolutely agree and have always been skeptical about this issue because it always felt like.. an obligation to specify that you believe in israel's right to exist or else you automatically hate jews by extent
There are youtube videos ( probably staged ) OF a guy going around in israeli and palestiian settlements asking questions his viewers want them to ask. The israelis are usually all for peace they are okay with muslims coming in to see the holy sites that all three religions share. They then ask the mud people and all the answers are basically give us back our land or we will wage holy war until these lands are ours again. Again they are probably staged.
I've met a few migrant palestinians, you never, ever, ever bring up the politics about jews in the middle east around them. They are usually great to hang out with, eat middle eastern food, pump a shisha and can chat about anything, mention the jews and a fire burns in their eyes.
Being in Australia, we basically don't have jews, there is like 100 here. However fucking israeli's flood thailand like it's their second home so I've made a few friends from travels there. They are legitimately the nicest people, they all want peace with the local muds, and I have no fucking clue how. All the jews I met had scars all over their bodies from when they were in the army, all from mud people bombs or gun shots. I will never support palestine and honestly want them to be given a time frame to get the fuck out or be ethnically cleansed.
>kek, always find a way to look like the victim
in case you hadn't noticed, US is run by a bunch of Jews and they are the ones killing the Arabs. You really think a bunch of Christians on the other side of the world really give a shit about your semitic civil war?
Which rich Israelis own which politicians? I don't doubt you're correct, shits corrupt as fuck on both ends between US and Israel but I assume you have specifics/names?
Jews as we know them are white/arab mongrels. Jacob's brother Esau fathered a child with a Canaanite woman. As such, there are a lot more Arabs than Jews.
It's more accurate to say that Jews are the ones being genocided- but that's hysterical and you can't say that on Sup Forums, kek.
Which Jews run the US? And obviously I do not hold the same opinions as you racially but I am actually very skeptical of the rich Jews using the Holocaust as a reason to get away with murder and blame all backlash or hate on antisemitism and I would like to know more
The Jews are being genocided? By who?
>a branch of Rabbis preaching nihilism and satanic atheism to destroy Judaism, Christianity, and the west are in bed with the Chinese and the elite to institute a One World Government (tm).
If you're the newest of newfags, pic related is what you're dealing with.
my advice: don't worry about this shit. it's the last war which has already seen a win condition (checkmate).
Other arabs, you nigger.
>because I am privy to the transcripts of their closed door meetings...
There was a leak the other month about one of our politicians saying he didn't agree with the settlements, but he wouldn't publicly take that stance unless the person he was talking to managed to convince the jewish community to also take that stance since they had contributed 20% of his campaign money. The jewish population in my country is under 0.2%
Been a while since I've had to post this. again my advice is to not bother going deeper dodwn this rabbit hole.
Or you know, just go Deus Vult on their arses
Post more
check this shit out man it's fucking wild.
Being a poltard I used to be pretty anti-Israel; helping BTFO JIDF in redpill and bait threads (like bringing up Menachim Begin and the Irgun or spamming the dancing Israelis banned Fox News report etc.). Israel historically has done some fucked up shit (USS Liberty attack for example); even predating Israel (King David Hotel bombing by Zionist terrorists).
However...Palestinians haven't moved on and are just as butthurt as 1948. Technically they're in the right. So were the Native Americans but they buggered off after they got two acres and a mule in the form of reserve lands and casinos.
However, I eventually came to realize something: Attempting to forcefully correct or atone for historical wrongdoing by a nation or a people is at the heart of today's Soros/Chomsky SJWism. African slave trade, Native Americans, Palestinians etc.
The fact is, Israel and Japan are two shining examples of modern nationalism done right. I admire them both for that.
The rising rate of islamic terror attacks that have occurred around the globe in recent years have brought me toward a more pro-Israel stance. Palestinian freedom fighters make themselves look more and more like degenerate subhuman feral trash as time goes on (while Palestinian Christians are breddy cool, albeit rare).
Been on Sup Forums since 2012 and now somehow unironically support Bibi's Israel. I'll take the organized nation of the Saturn death cult synagogue of Satan over the savage invaders dead set on unraveling modern society in the West. It already succeeded in the Middle East considering how modern and successful Afghanistan, Iran and Libya were as recently as the 60s.
Any way you slice it...radical Islamic terror likely wouldn't exist (or would at least be much less of a severe national security threat) if it weren't for the CIA.