Is atheism growing up among muslims ?

Is atheism growing up among muslims ?
If it is, how fast ?

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very fast, they loose hold of traditional values.

>very fast,
source ?

no single source, just look at it that way:
.how much traditional muslim countries destroyed in past 16 years?
.which of the muslm countries, which dont have a central bank are left intact?
.why is terrorism so extreme since the 21 ctr.?

The reason i wrote central bank is, that it is the perfect indicator for globalism.
Globalism doesnt allow Traditions, putting it very simple.

It was a whore who fled to Turkey and then to Germany where she will get honored killed

so the more atheists there is, the more terrorism there will be ?

source

in islams case, yes.
the more endangered the religion, the more fanatic it will get.
There was less terrorism, while the near east was left untouched.

Vice documentary basically she became an Atheist through the Internet and posted this a fled once her family Found out it was here.

>110415038
>What is a lying shitskin?
Did I win?

>Vice

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Atheism is growing amongst all religions currently.
You can thank the internet for that.
However, it won't last because the religious and hyper-religious have more children.
I think they will be less traditional and hardline in the future though.

>is atheism growning among muslims
Hopefully, As a Christian - I clearly want Christianity to rule the earth, thus you push the blue pill among your enemy, you encourage them to be atheist because it destroys their society and allows Christianity to take over. Obviously it isn't working and muslims/jews are much more effective at pushing atheism/blue pills on the west.

>However, it won't last because the religious and hyper-religious have more children.
this

no, they straight up kill their deserters.

Completely bullshit...

the middle east only was silent in the time between when we crushed the ottoman empire and around 1950-1960 until aramco took over the world oil market.
There was terror since daz 1 of islam and without terror islam would have never grown that much

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Quite fast, actually. But none would say it outright. They maintain status quo on the surface, but they either don't practice it at all, or do it with as minimal adherence as possible.

A generation of upper middle income Indonesian youths are losing that religious identity as time passes. Despite Indonesia claiming to have the largest muslim population, most are not "true muslims" in a sense.

If you ask us, we will say, proudly even, that we are muslims. But take young muslim Indonesians to a Five Guys and I bet you 80% would have no problems eating a Double Bacon Cheeseburger.

>the middle east only was silent in the time
I talked about terrorism, not war.
This whole change has upset some people in the muslim world, they are literally afraid of becoming like europe and us.
Good Post.

Almost all of western mudshits are no real muslims anyway. drugs,party,girls and more degenerate shit but NO PORK and saying i'm muslim is still the law...the west broke them and we are doing the same in the ME but much slower... islam is just as cucked as christ cucks.

Given that most muslims think death is an acceptable punishment for apostasy something tells me the answer is no.

I imagine that most women would turn to atheism in a heartbeat over Islam if given the choice. Women that live in actual Muslim countries not the ones that live in the West that benefit from non religious or Christian standards.

Problem is that Islam is so entwined into their politics in the Middle East that I don't see it separating. They have been killing each other for thousands of years there and I don't see it stopping.

The fastest growing religion in the world is expanding faster than atheists can come out the closet with their heads still attached to their bodies. Rumors don't belong on Sup Forums

I don't know much about the Muslim community. I live in the sticks and it's 100% white Christian. There are no immigrants here; they live in the cities.
I have one Muslim friend. He isn't very religious, but doesn't drink alcohol nor eat pork. He comes to the pub with with me, but drinks orange juice. I asked him about this and he said that it's just habit.
He celebrates Christmas and Ramadan. He is British born, but his family are from Kashmir. It's a dangerous area.
I'm a pracitising Christian. I always try to attend church. My Muslim friend respects that. I asked him about belief in God and he's agnostic.

Pretty much what you said, a lot of them call themselves Muslims in the same way a lot of Europeans of Americans call themselves Christian, but they don't actually believe or practice the religion. At the very most, they hold a light belief that there's some higher being.

atheist muslims tend to be killed

This. Lived in a gulf country for almost a decade. The young generation has no qualms about drinking, whoring and doing drugs.

The indonesians are trying to make this video go viral - they are scared:

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Young muslim men been like that since the prophet muhammad was alive.

Probably the opposite. Muslims have become increasingly radicalised over the past few generations due to Saudi wahabbi financing.

The vocal minority, maybe. Grab the closest muslim near your billabong and feed the fucker some bacon. I bet you he'll devour that fine divine swine and ask for seconds.

honestly, atheists in muslim countries might be the only unironically edgy atheists left

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And? Most Muslim terrorists were massive degenerates. Just because they eat pork, drink alcohol etc doesn't mean they're assimilated or don't believe that infidels should be crushed. The majority of Jews are atheists and it doesn't stop them from identifying as Jews and fucking over the goyim.

It still gets me that people don't get this. Just because some sandbiggee drinks beer doesn't mean he won't slit your throat the next day.

If there are any smart muslims who want their religion to survive then they would try and go through the "enlightenment" like every other religion.
Maybe they see the writing on the wall and see that their religion is dying a slow death.

Probably not. If it is it will be stomped out, as the Muslims want to continue having a civilization and have seen what atheism did to Europe.

>(((central bank)))
>(((globalism)))

goy vey shut it down

No shit. Islam always was a terrorist organization since the mid 20th century. After the age of colonization halted after the 2 world wars, muslims decided to use terror to conquer independent states from within

Due to high birth numbers the population is very young. That will fuck up Islam like it did with Christianity.

The problem with atheism is it's simply a lack of a belief system, which just won't cut it. Faith in a higher power needs to be replaced with something else.

I think it would need to be something like the imperial truth from warhammer 40k, the belief in the ability of humanity and its potential paired with the pragmatic approach of science. A sort of belief in oneself (which all religions have a fuel them).

Think of the kind of thinking colonialists had, but expanding it from our nation/empire to the species. The problem is I can't see this happening until we meet another lifeform thats a potential threat

Like has said tolerance won't work for a universal belief system, purely because if your beliefs are right then others are wrong by definition so must be corrected. If you believe Christianity is right then everything else is wrong and must be removed or you can't say you truly believe in Christianity

No, Mid east went full durka durka after you guys crushed the Ottoman Empire

>Problem is that Islam is so entwined into their politics in the Middle East that I don't see it separating. They have been killing each other for thousands of years there and I don't see it stopping.
Europe was once exactly the same.

Have you seen picture from the Ottoman times? The Ottoman Empire was full Islamist.

Islam can't go through an enlightenment because the Quran is fundamentally different from the bible.

In Islam the Quran is the literal word of Allah, and Allah is perfect therefore the Quran is perfect. The bible on the other hand isn't viewed in the same way.

It would have to be a violent revolution like the french, as there will always be Islamic radicals that want to do what the Quran preaches word for word

Muslim percentage in Arab countries grows at 9.8m/s^2

That's what evangelicals say about the Bible as well.

Islam can be reformed obviously. It isn't followed litterally by most its clerics.

That might also be true.

On the other hand it feels more like nobody is asking Islam to go through it. The same people who beat Christianity down until they accepted gay marriage seem to have no problem with Islam and them literally killing gay people.

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I think it would need to be something like the imperial truth from warhammer 40k, the belief in the ability of humanity and its potential paired with the pragmatic approach of science. A sort of belief in oneself (which all religions have a fuel them).

This. Unfortunately it would take something significant to create a movement of that magnitude. I think pushing a more favorable religion is the only option. Catholicism is the winner in my opinion since most eastern religions aren't rigid enough. You also already have a base - you just need the leadership to get on board which is currently not the case.

In mass the Missal has mentioned refugee shit but the priests have been dead silent about it which is a good sign.

>obviously
not really and is right

Pretty fast according to my knowledge/ impression. But we tend to hide behind curtains, because those of us went public, are dead now. Killed by rad Muslims.

Very nice photo by the way. Saved. Thanks French user

>proud to be atheist
>does the hajj anyway

Pretty proud, m8

With reformed I mean people having a Muslim identity without following the scripture of the religion as it is with Christianity.

That's already happening in Islam and could become more common

hard to say.

Apostasy is a crime punishable by death in islam.

So even if you were, you wouldn't say in fear of your brother, sister, mother, father, friends all plotting to kill you

That being said, islam is totally 100% compatible with western civilisation

He probably went to the Hajj to perform this daring attempt. Can you imagine what would happen if the Saudi police found this out?

Or the other Muslims found this out? This guy has balls

>That being said, islam is totally 100% compatible with western civilisation

DAFUQ?

He's being cheeky, cobber.

maybe because he pretends to be mudslims and his family forces him to go there. remember only a stupid would say i'm atheist in a religious country

>having a Muslim identity without following the scripture
no, again, read this

this

Many Muslims smoke, even though it's forbidden etc.

This already is a reformed Islam you idiot

look at the face of moderate islam yourself, I am not the idiot here

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Smoking isn't specifically forbidden in Quran. Alcohol is.

There are several denominations of Islam. But every denomination support the "authenticity" of Quran.

The clash you see (and ensuing radicalism) are actually caused by different interpretation of Hadith, Ijmah, Kias etc...

And sometimes different explanation of the "Quranic verses".

That being said, Quran is the same among all denominations. (Caliph Uthman created this one indivisible version; and this caliph Uthman is one of the historical figures which inspired ISIS' terror leader Baghdadi)

You are now aware that ISIS is a globalist plot to repulse muslims (and everyone else) from Islam and religion in general

Amount of token believers (those who don't say that they are atheist/agnostic not to upset their mom and neighbours) grows in all religions. Mainly because all theists have the same arguments which can sound valid only if you are exposed to one religion only.
Most Muslims I know don't give a shit about "namaz", "no pictures" and "no alcohol", and visited mosque as children only.
Same shit happened to Christians (when have you fasted last time, my Christian friend) in 19-20 century. Hardcore believers became a minority consisting mostly of uneducated people.

>Most Muslims I know
then dont call them muslims, just arabs

yes
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>just arabs
They don't have any Arabs in Ukraine they're most likely some sort of Turks instead.

>Hopefully, As a Christian - I clearly want Christianity to rule the earth

No you don't, unless you want an old gay man in robes legally raping your children in a "house of god"

alright, just call them turks then.

It's gaining momentum underground. I'm an ex-muzzie myself.

They drink, they smoke, they gamble, they go to prostitues
but OMG I can't eat pork! I am true muslim!

Every muslim ever

Dude there's no mention of smoking on Quran.

Only thing mentioned was this verse:
>"O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful."

And that verse "came from God" to Muhammad after an embarrassing event during a prayer session where many of the followers of Muhammad were drunk. Muhammad regretted the drunkenness and put that verse into Quran.

All the above history if from Hadith.

Arab smoked SHISHA for ages. (yes, although it was an intoxicating thing, according to modern science) During the time of Muhammad, there was no verse penned against it. And there was

>So this is a gray area to Muslims. Some imams say smoke is haram(outright forbidden), some say it's makruh(discouraged, but not outright forbidden)

Surprise, two Bangladeshi ex-muzzie atheists on this thread.

>his family are from Kashmir
noice

>holds a piece of paper and takes a photo from some corner in mecca
I have been to Mecca, it's very big and literally no one will bother to see your paper. therefore, just a stunt and no balls

Yes, as fast as among normal people
They grow out of islam for one of two reasons:
>they get educated and realize how shit religion is for their countries which are backwards as fuck
or
>they are influenced by western tradition and become degenerate like white women

The first one happens in shitholes like Jordan, and the second one happens to some immigrants(or second generation immigrants) in western countries: most people fresh off the boat pray 10 times a day, but their children fuck bitches, drink alcohol and sell drugs on friday

saef madiam

I thought Jordan was pretty much the best, most free, secular nation in the area?
Legit question btw.

It still is, kind of. Lebanon (some Beirut part) is also nice.

Look a chink in the armour

Jordan is pretty ok tbqh
they have nice food
Aman is nice, I went there some 5-6years ago

>is it growing up among Muslims?
Yep
>how fast?
Slowly tbqh

I live in predominantly islamic country and read lots of research about this matter.

I can say that atheism and other non-abrahamic beliefs grow up among muslims. however this is a two-sided process. also very fanatical islamism grows up among some other muslims.

I mean, there are more non-muslims in turkey than 20 years ago but also there are more radical muslims than 20 years ago. this observation is true for other islamic countries.

>but their children fuck bitches, drink alcohol and sell drugs on friday
Until they feel bad about themselves and decide to make up for past sins.
Some of them who are in drug careers decide they want 180 degree turn and go full jihad to make up for the sins.
Mostly they will end up with a more fucked up extreme religious view one way or another.

Atheists will always be a minority.

Japanese face, could be north-east china also.

>this

Well articulated

>this observation is true for other islamic countries.
And non islamic countries too. Pic related>Do you believe the quran should be taken 100% seriously to the letter?
62% yes in 2006
77% today.

All the Saudi arab investments to fuck up the world is starting to pay off.

Accurate.

I used to work with a guy like this on a tow boat on the river. He was a white guy brought up muslim, did all those things but holy shit he couldnt eat pork, so the cook had to make him a special menu.

Yes, but it is still dominated by religious thought which is outdated
Queen a qt tho
wew
fuck muhammad desu