Prison reform

>Tyrone is in prison for stabbing
>Spends time in solitary
>Leaves prison crazier, on parole
>Stabs another person
>Goes to jail again
>second victim complains "why wasn't he rehabilitated?" or "why was he released in the first place? I wouldn't have been stabbed if that happened"
>Is called a nigger lover


How do you reform prison so that both:

1. Tyrone does get help if he's willing to be helped
2. Tyrone doesn't get out on parole if he's clearly still unsafe to be around people

I mean, that's all people want. Bad guys stay locked up, bad guys get help if they want it, and people aren't releasing clearly depraved people back into society?

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Prisons should only be for non violent crimes
Tyrone should have been shot in the back of his head and dumped in a ditch the second he stabbed someone

as usual, FPBP

>implying Tyrone is a rational human being and not a bix nood

By doing this Violent criminals only deserve violence

fpbp

If you commit a violent offense you should be lobotomized to make you more docile. Blacks should be lobotomized when they reach the age of 12.

There are three reasons for prison:

1. It keeps dangerous people away from society
2. It can be used to reform criminals into productive members of society
3. It is meant to deter crime

Objectives 1 and 2 are better served by mental hospitals.

Objective 3 is a complete and total failure, and prison sentences seem to have absolutely no effect on deterring crime regardless of what we do; short, long, easy, hard, or even fatal (death penalty).

So why is "send them to prison" virtually the only response to every crime in the first place?

Tyrone is or isn't rational. I don't know, but I do want him to get help if he's willing to help himself and if there's a rehabilitation program. If not, I don't want him out on parole.This way, everyone wins. Shity people who change do not stay in prison while those who use the word 'nigga' to the parole borad and act like shit and are clearly not regretting their actions years later do NOT GET OUT

Chrome is being fucky. Can't CTRL=+A and select all text cant even backspace. i have to close allll of these tabs ad try again. Fuck . Some have the capacity for change and it's no harm to society if we acknowledge that. That's why we sohould have both options, right? Don't just throw Tyrone in the system and expect change. Don't expect Tyrone to change even with help. But don't let Tyrone affect ol' Billy or Jacob or any other white person be affected by Tyrone's inability to help himself. Some do want help.

>Tyrone is in prison for stabbing
>executed next morning
problem solved

>Kill Tyrone in prison
No more issues
>OMG, too drastic
Who's the Nigger lover now?

It's been tried many times. People just don't care. Maybe transportation isn't such a bad idea after all.

>Some have the capacity for change and it's no harm to society if we acknowledge that
wrong. return 2 reddit you cuck.

if you commit a violent crime you should be shot and your body discarded

Where is this graph?

>commit a crime
>get free college

>be a good citizen
>massive student loan debt

Society doesn't reward the good guy so why should I be good?

what if the government wants the criminals to be as violent and antisocial as possible

that way the public keeps wanting more and more government to control the crazy criminals and the government gets to gobble up more and more taxes

That means the sentence for every crime that entails prison time would be a potential life sentence.

You can put suits on monkeys but they're still monkeys.

Money is one reason. There's a stigma against the idea of reform, even though there's plenty of people (particularly non-niggers) who have reformed.

>"Some have the capacity for change"
>wrong

This is why you're bait.

>Objective 3 is a complete and total failure, and prison sentences seem to have absolutely no effect on deterring crime regardless of what we do; short, long, easy, hard, or even fatal (death penalty).


I disagree.

It deters crimes for rational people.

The problem is, people who prisons are full of are a culture that doesn't think ahead.

They do not see consequences.

I don't like this either but it is the way it is. There are exceptions too, but it's not a small percentage of them who think that way. Not even close.

Not really. You go to prison for stabbing someone, you have a tantrum at rehabilitation programs and you don't want to see a therapist and you spend your entire time acting like you "dont giv no fux fuk dem fools", why let him out?

But someone in the same situation could advance simply by wanting to help himself and by seeing the problem.

>How do you reform prison
Well for one, stop making them the #1 place where the mentally ill end up.

A large population of prisoners wouldn't have ended up there with proper mental treatment.

>But all mentally ill people should be euthanized
Yeah well its not gonna happen there Adolf, so how about we look at pragmatic solutions not memes.
Ok

this faggot gets it

consciously or subconsciously, government seeks at every opportunity to expand its influence

the people who fill up prisons* Jesus I'm retarded.

But prison is hellishly expensive.

You're essentially paying for housing, food, utilities, services, medicine, education, entertainment, and security for every person you send to prison.

There's an ugly 4. People want revenge. They won't be happy if Tyrone gets rehabbed and goes about his life. There's a need to be fufilled with retribution. It's why people vote for harsh measures that don't help solve the problem.

>so how about we look at pragmatic solutions not memes.

but every prison thread ever posted on Sup Forums has been nothing but edgelord memes!

The reason rehabilitation works in Europe, but not here, or in Mexico, or in Brazil, etc... is because certain races are incapable of rehabilitation. Europe will slowly begin to learn this as they become more "multicultural."

You are correct. The fear equals more control. The reality is the fast majority of people are not in prison for murder. The vast majority aren't even in there for violent crime.

Our mental health care needs improvement. Some people are afraid of it, but there's no reason to be. So much would've been prevented if they just had mental health care. A psychiatrist can smell a school shooter from a mile away.

You can't have it both ways. You can have total prevention of re-offense without hope of rehabilitation, or you can have a chance of rehabilitation for all with the risk of re-offense. In short, this Barring mitigating circumstances, if someone has acted violently and without justification before, they are statistically more likely to do so again, and even if they weren't, prison exists not only for rehabilitation, but for justice.

I got rehabilitated in prison, no drug using anymore and I'm studying and gonna live normal life with my white, blonde haired hottie GF. Pretty great living in working society desu.

>This is why you're bait.
i'm serious you cuck

>The reason rehabilitation works in Europe,
The reason is they put the effort into it. Also in the US if you have a criminal record you're basically fucked for life as far as getting a job. They do things differently over there.

Rational people don't commit crime, ergo, it's completely meaningless.

For instance: Rational people don't start using meth. Because the effects are so horrible, you can pretty safely conclude no rational person would ever use meth. However, shitloads of people still use meth. Thus, one must conclude that shitloads of people are irrational.

So what's the point? It doesn't deter people, because the people who would weigh things rationally wouldn't do it regardless.

No one has ever said "Boy, I was going to go shoot that gas station attendant for the $30 in the register, but then I remembered I might go to prison!"

Well there's the problem. People who want revenge are causing a harm to society. They shit over the system, and the system hits back by sending Tyrone out on parole, locking up plenty of people who don't need to be there, and wasting money in the long run.

The reason Tyrone is out on parole is because people care too much about what happens to him and they don't care enough about how to prevent him.

I think there will always be a risk of re-offense unless everyone is locked up for life. I just think about the people who are imprisoned who really are capable of change, or maybe they need to be in mental hospitals instead, or maybe it's just for mere drug offenses. Maybe someone dug in a government dumpster and sold some speakers and was arrested for "selling government property". That's who I've always been about when it came to reform. I guess there are niggers who would be capable of change, and they'll fall right into place if there was a good rehabilitation program too.

This, my wife was a school councilor, she had a student that she knew was fucked up. Had a seriously fucked up home life. But lived a life o zero consequences. She let Admin know about it, but there wasn't much of anything they did. He went on to be a serial killer.

I'll agree with this.

(Even if it's not rational)

Sometimes it's hard to tell when everyone is just memespewing these days. All this le reddit cuck jew nigger JIDF CTR shill false flag fake news alternative facts shit.

Probably Philipines crime rates.

A lot of these mass shooters had school counselors. They weren't much help. If only they could report the person someplace to be looked at. We can't do that.
Best you can do is send a scary looking grunt (officer) over there to berate a mentally ill person, but that doesn't work. Sometimes we really do need to give therapists the right to a hotline where someone is sent to detain someone who's adanger to themselves and others and get them mental health (without treating them like niggers).

>Rational people don't commit crime
Um.. rational people often have moments of irrational behavior, Have you never lost your temper? You never drank while under 21? Never had sex with a girl that may have been tipsy? Never wrote a check the day before your deposit dropped? Never browsed Sup Forums and some dipshit posted CP that ended up in your browser cache?

Crimes come in many many forms, and the congress is more than eager to come up with new crimes for you to commit, so before you get high and mighty, remember how easy it is to commit a crime.

Yay! You are the best outcome for the penal system.

It's why people don't care that conditions in prisons are horrible; to them, that's the point. It's meant to be punitive, who cares about the people getting raped and stabbed?

It's written into our software as humans, that urge for revenge kept us alive before there were states to protect us.

>Um.. rational people often have moments of irrational behavior,

Then why would appealing to their rational side by using a deterrent have any effect? If you're so angry you lose control and hit someone, you're not thinking about how long you might to to prison for, so the sentence length has absolutely no effect on if you hit them, you're not thinking rationally.

If you need (((help))) to avoid stabbing people maybe what you need is a firing squad in front of you.

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> Prison reform Anonymous (ID: O6aAmXoi) 02/01/17(Wed)14:49:17 No.110437568▶
>>Tyrone is in prison for stabbing
>>Spends time in solitary
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It depends on the offense. Sure, I'd say people of all demographics are capable of reform, but when it comes to some offenses, such as unjustified, unmitigated murder, do you really suppose they deserve the possibility of a life, something which they have denied others? Giving them this opportunity would also mean giving them the opportunity to re-offend, and ruin other lives, and you endanger the wellbeing of innocents, for the sake of your conscience and the well being of a murderer.

This argument can also be applied to some other offenses, though, not as severely. Some offenses, though, are things which aren't deserving of an indefinite prison sentence. The point I'm trying to make is, it is reckless and endangering to innocents, to give murderers the opportunity to re-offend (which is not to point out the injustice of their freedom), however there are some minor crimes which are deserving of leniency, and the chance for reform.

Thats a slippery slope though. How many therapists are trustworthy with the power to have people detained? how many are raging leftists who would abuse that?

I mean ideally:

1. Tyrone doesn't get out on parole if he's clearly a threat to society.
1a. James, who did what Tyrone did, can get out if he's clearly changed and had an epiphany in prison with the helped of rehabilitation and mental health care.

2. Speedier death sentences
2a. Without the risk of executing innocents

Is there a country that does this pretty well?

Rational people definitely do commit crimes.

Not a lot of people think about the sentence the minute the crime happens, even the irrational ones. Discretion should be made based on mental health I'd say. Rational people who snap and stab people seem to be a mental health issue, and nothing will change if they're never getting that checked out.

You can't rehabilitate a retard.

>How do you reform prison

Improve schools. Improve alcohol and drug support services. Improve the economy so poor people have jobs. It all starts long before prison.

I would convert Kodiak Island into a giant penal colony. All current prisoners would probably fit aboard, then treat them like an autonomous region with own government.

Maybe their problem isn't stabbing, but the anger that leads to stabbing. Thus, mental health treatment. I mean it's a win win for everyone, we don't want untreated mental illnesses in society anymore.

It's not rational, and it's not useful, and it's not moral. But it kept us alive for millions of years.

We need to understand where it comes from, in order to work it out.

1- Prison is overcrowded and there aren't enough resources to give effective rehabilitation to everyone, so there are wait lists.

- Most rehabilitation programs suck, and the ones that are effective only work when the administrators aren't cynical and lazy (so barely ever)

3- Because of the prisoners rights movement you can't force anyone to complete treatment unless they agree (like conditions of parole). By definition, anyone who completes a program is someone who was motivated to complete the program, so you end up with a tautology of reforming the most reformable. That means the type of person who refuses treatment or can't complete treatment is the most dangerous.

The only solutions are to gut the prison system and use the money on effective rehab (big risk, not going to happen) or keep the dangerous people in prison longer which will lead to more incarceration.

>Fuck prisons over
>incarcerate plenty of people for minor offenses
>incarcerate mentally ill instead of helping
>prisons get full
>"sorry, can't help, prisons full"

It's kinda funny how fucked up we can be

Devil's advocate- prisoners have to take college loans to take classes (that will be useless to them in most cases) and feds stopped giving financial aid to prisoners so most college programs in prison fell apart. Only very motivated special cases get college now (and naturally they have lower recidivism rates- not necessarily due to effects of college classes)

Put violent criminals in a ring together an have to free for all to their death (or an Olympic prison match like deadmans wonderland)

Let people watch for money and give the winner a reduced sentence or some kind of prison utopia

Don't do that, I like Kodiak Island...

exactly

Add to that they have zero prospects once released. Hey you were 18 and you finger banged your 15 year old g/f. Hope you like your scarlet letter for life.

Well I'm not nigger so I don't glorify that culture and I am capable of learning the importance of regular life.

You will like it even more with 24/7 gambling, whores, tax evasion, unapproved medicines, gene therapy, monkey knife fights, a free for all of mineral extraction.

fpbp

Sounds great, but only if I get to be called Snake

Decriminalize Marijuana
Use new resources to offer better counseling in these areas before arrests happen

Tyrone doesn't deserve a second chance if he can't into being around people without thinking of stabbing others.

You're acting as though no crimes are premeditated. Regardless, rational people often do commit crime. In some circumstances, it can often be rational to commit a crime, regardless of the immorality.

You don't create a system that encourages imprisonment over reform because of the prison industry. Neo-liberals and neo-cons created this mess in the 90s on purpose, your life means nothing to them.

Because people think want easy solutions to complex problems.. You know like putting up more walls.

>1. Tyrone does get help if he's willing to be helped
Programs and trade schools for uneducated prisoners.
>2. Tyrone doesn't get out on parole if he's clearly still unsafe to be around people
Summary execution for starting misbehaviors.

>Prisons should only be for white people
ftfy otherwise spot on

>penal colony
why not? Have options, one in alaska one in Niger.

>prisons for whites
whites didn't even need prisons, they had stocks, the western world (aka the white world) revolves around Shame. Most of these actual white people regret everything, find the lord, change their ways. The clearly mentally off nut cases are usually obvious and easily identified, these people will never be reformed.

fpbp with one caveat. If someone rapes your daughter, wife or you - you can kill them freely.

People think the 10 commandments forbid killing this is bullshit. Only MURDER is not allowed. The two are not the same.

The system doesn't want you to be rehabilitated
Its way too profitable to fix something that doesn't look broken to their bank accounts.

AMERICAN PRIVATE PRISON COMPLEX

Private companies make tons of profits running prisons for our governments, national and State.

Ain't nobody give two shits about reforming anyone.

They will make MORE MONEY if these violent retards get even more retarded and violent and constantly end up in jail.

NOBODY WANTS TO REFORM SHIT BECAUSE IT WILL HURT THEIR PROFITS

samefag here
Nice ninja user. This.

you can never truly tame an ape

abolish private prisons.

This. Rape, be it male or female, torture, and murder should be punishable by death. I find it scary the American tax dollar is going into feeding Tyrone the murderhobo.

Private prisons are actually better than gov't-ran prisons. Like all things, the gov't is terrible at running it.

Literal walls aren't very effective. Strong immigration control is tried and true. No modern successful country without borders has remained a successful country for long.

Weight lifting and Jesus.

Think I'm kidding?
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Gives them something to build towards and make of themselves.

Also something you can take away just like that.


Combine it with religion though, it's therapy that works for these degenerates.

This.

We have such a system, if you can be rehabilitated they will do it and let you out. Breivik who can't will porbably het 75 years and then he will be dead by old age.

Yeah that's a great idea. Give every two bit counselor with a bachelors degree in psychology the power to detain anybody for no reason other than "I think he's a bad dude". Surely this could have no further reaching consequences nor set any sort of precedence to impede on anybodies rights.

Perhaps it is just the liberal propaganda, but I rather like the libertarian view on punishment; Possibly because they are simple. The only reasonable punishments are banishment and death; the second a person is deemed a danger to others one of these must follow. (prisons don't exist)

What would even be the conservative view? Clearly, the federal solution would mimic the family solution. Try to reform the individual, give rights and responsibilities as the individual improves, take them away as they regress. Therapy, oversight, shame. And for the useless cases banishment.
(prisons exist as places that separate the criminal from the the environment that was causing the bad behavior, a place with structure, order, and lack of responsibilities)

someone makes money from your imprisonment. noone cares or wants reform

Or maybe the conservative view would not mimic the family but work in conjecture? Maybe all reform should be left to the family, and when they fail, their is banishment and death.

I'm a advocate for the return of corporal punishment in some capacity. For lesser crimes, have caning or whipping as an option either in the place of prison, or else to commute a portion of the sentence. It would save a lot of money, and it has an intense psychological effect to deter crime for these low IQ savages. That is how blacks and other 3rd worlders punish themselves. Of course I also support more capital punishment for the serious crimes and to eliminate the real problem actors who do not reform.

Of course the kike lawyers would have a field day with it, measuring of hard the lash is, and arguing it's cruel and unusual despite being voluntary...

That's my idea though, bring a bit of the Singapore justice system, that stuff works. What say you?

I'm starting to think these FPBP are setups and same-fagging